Question on Islam -- round 4

[Sister_Amy]

What you think proves the Quran is from Allah actually saves Muhammad’s face for the very bad behaviour he did in favour of wealth and power.

You wish.

What proves the Qur’an isn’t something tangible.

This particular passage is just one instance of a passage that refutes the silly sorts of claims you and others here make against Islam. If Muhammad were trying to obtain wealth or power (which he was in fact offered just to stop preaching Islam) then you wouldn’t find these mistakes of his being immortalized in the Qur’an. You would find a man taking power when it was offered, and wealth when it was offered. And not a man turning away from it, and being reprimanded for generations.

 

[Aydan]

isn’t it amazing how Muslims on this board would rather attack Christians and others and accuse them of lying rather than justify the actions of their own prophet. On the contrary I’m not ignoring anything and I’ve read the Koran. And why are you using Arabic here it is very rude to do that without translating it. I speak Turkish but you don’t see me using that if you’re going to use it you need to give a translation.
for those that don’t know Subhan’Allah means glory to g-d

Subhanallah–is it not amazing how firmly they hold their hands over their ears, to ignore the truth?

 

[inJESUS]

You wish.

i wish nothing. The man misbehaved, and corrected his behaviour to save face, nothing less, nothing more. Other examples of Allah reprimanding Muhammad turn out to be totally in Muhammad’s favour like his marriage to Zeinab (reprimanded for concealing his desire for a married woman), and another reprimandation where Muhammad ends up breaking his oath (of not sleeping with Maria again). See things for what they are instead of casting a veil of purity on a man whose reprimandations actually served him and his sexual desires.

This particular passage is just one instance of a passage that refutes the silly sorts of claims you and others here make against Islam. If Muhammad were trying to obtain wealth or power (which he was in fact offered

 

[Aydan]

i wish nothing. The man misbehaved, and corrected his behaviour to save face, nothing less, nothing more. Other examples of Allah reprimanding Muhammad turn out to be totally in Muhammad’s favour like his marriage to Zeinab (reprimanded for concealing his desire for a married woman), and another reprimandation where Muhammad ends up breaking his oath (of not sleeping with Maria again). See things for what they are instead of casting a veil of purity on a man whose reprimandations actually served him and his sexual desires.
Muhammad had money, power, and women, with or without the offer; he wanted it in his way though and remember that he could accept any woman who offered herself to him and whoever he chose from captives, it was hers.

 

[LDNCatholic]

for those that don’t know Subhan’Allah means glory to g-d

In that context however I believe it is better translated as ‘‘Allah is free from [that which they have ascribed to Him]’’ or ‘‘It isn’t His fault’’, I guess.

Though my Arabic is as rusty as a butterknife on the Titanic so if I’m wrong someone please wade in here.

 

[inJESUS]

In that context however I believe it is better translated as ‘‘Allah is free from [that which they have ascribed to Him]’’ or ‘‘It isn’t His fault’’, I guess.

Though my Arabic is as rusty as a butterknife on the Titanic so if I’m wrong someone please wade in here.

subhana comes from sabbaha (praise/give glory) though what you wrote could as well be applied in context.

 

[Aydan]

subhana comes from sabbaha (praise/give glory) though what you wrote could as well be applied in context.

yeah you’re both right but it’s a personal preference on my part not to write Allah in that situation simply because I use the word when I pray in Turkish so I only use it when I’m referring to the holy Trinity.

 

[inJESUS]

The Prophet (pbuh) was trying to teach Islam to a person of wealth and influence. The idea is that if you can bring a person of influence to your side, many others will follow.

Sister Amy, without knowing, showed that Muhammad was thinking that wealth and influence bring other followers, which isn’t totally far from what he did when he promised his followers booty, power, and women on earth and in paradise.

Sister Amy, a real prophet knows that God’s Holy Spirit guides and brings people to God, the Spirit of Truth and Guidance, not wealth and influence.

 

[inJESUS]

yeah you’re both right but it’s a personal preference on my part not to write Allah in that situation simply because I use the word when I pray in Turkish so I only use it when I’m referring to the holy Trinity.

yes but Muslims think that Allah’s language is Arabic (or that it is a “pure” language since Allah revealed his words in Arabic) so they throw Arabic words while writing English.

 

[LDNCatholic]

subhana comes from sabbaha (praise/give glory) though what you wrote could as well be applied in context.

Fair enough. Arabic is nowhere near my mother tongue (it’s like 7th down the list ) so I have very little knowledge of it to be honest. Nothing in comparison to yourself obviously .

 

[Aydan]

yes but Muslims think that Allah’s language is Arabic (or that it is a “pure” language since Allah revealed his words in Arabic) so they throw Arabic words while writing English.

yeah I know I just think that it is not right for sister Amy to be using Arabic without translation knowing that most people will not understand. Nor do I understand why she had to attack me for asking a legitimate question about Mohammed. I guess it shows the difference between Islam and Christianity. I just think if people want to use a foreign language they need to translate it for everyone’s benefit. I have no problem using Arabic phrases with my Turkish friends I get along great with them and their Muslim.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

The Prophet (pbuh) was trying to teach Islam to a person of wealth and influence. The idea is that if you can bring a person of influence to your side, many others will follow. The action of the Prophet pbuh in this instance was incorrect however–and so the Prophet pbuh was reprimanded in the Qur’an.

Proof that the Qur’an is from Allah, and not made up by Muhammad–why would he preserve his mistake like this for all posterity?

Because he thinks its alright to do so. AND…Mohammed never refuesed power, he was smart. If I started a religion that earned me power and wealth, and somebody offered me power and wealth, whats the whole point of accepting the offer when I already HAVE it, and on top of it all, I can obtain it if I have a military behind me that are ready to kill for me in the name of allah?

come on sister are you really suggesting that Mohammed was a humble guy? a somebody that cared for the sick and afflicted? That didn`t commit a crime when he fell in love with a 6 year old??!?! Is this what you are really suggesting? You need to learn some History, and think outside the “islamic sphere”.

 

[Eucharisted]

yeah I know I just think that it is not right for sister Amy to be using Arabic without translation knowing that most people will not understand. Nor do I understand why she had to attack me for asking a legitimate question about Mohammed. I guess it shows the difference between Islam and Christianity. I just think if people want to use a foreign language they need to translate it for everyone’s benefit. I have no problem using Arabic phrases with my Turkish friends I get along great with them and their Muslim.

I doubt Sister Amy actually knows Arabic. She probably couldn’t translate it if you asked.

You might ask, “If she dosen’t know Arabic, than why dose she use it?” and I might answer, “Because she wants to be Muslim.”

 

[Jay53]

Shows what you know, then, doesn’t it?

I can’t count how many times people ask the question about prophets sinning in Islam and I always give the same answer–that God protected them from major and not minor sins, and so they do at times make mistakes. This is an example of exactly that.

Since when are lying, adultery and murder “minor” sins? Those are 3 big ones directly against the Ten Commandments.

 

[Aydan]

I doubt Sister Amy actually knows Arabic. She probably couldn’t translate it if you asked.

You might ask, “If she dosen’t know Arabic, than why dose she use it?” and I might answer, “Because she wants to be Muslim.”

well Muslims have to memorize the Arabic phrases to pray with so I’m sure she could translate if she wanted to most of them are used in Turkish as well so that’s how I know how to translate them

 

[Eucharisted]

Since when are lying, adultery and murder “minor” sins? Those are 3 big ones directly against the Ten Commandments.

Adultery and fornication are major sins in Islam, and that’s ironic because Mohammed comitted adultery and fornication when he slept with his slave.

When a person comes up against a truth which contradicts their view of someone, they either change their view or they excuse the person’s actions (a form of denial). Ask Muslims whether or not Mohammed had sinned when he slept with his slave and you’ll see what I mean.

But Islam has already come up with an excuse on adultery, and it is not only discriminary but ingenius: in order for a person to have committed adultery, there must be four male witnesses present. If there aren’t, than the person has not committed adultery.

There were no males present when Mohammed slept with his slave, so according to Islam, he did not sin.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

…Mohammed comitted adultery and fornication when he slept with his slave.
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God created Heaven for the Chosen Prophets & for those who submitted to God alone .

It does not matter what today’s Christians believe or sanction for the last Prophet & others .

God will judge us on the basis of His final holy book , not what His slaves allow today in the west.

So , it’s better if u people stop accusing the last Prophet unnecessarily. Time is limited in this world , try to use it more positively.

I really believe forum participants are capable of writing more positive posts & engage in a dialogue rather than wasting time by bringing false accusations against God’s laws & God’s Prophets (pbut).

 

[Sam_777]

What you think proves the Quran is from Allah actually saves Muhammad’s face for the very bad behaviour he did in favour of wealth and power.

Yes indeed…
:aok:

 

[Aydan]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

God created Heaven for the Chosen Prophets & for those who submitted to God alone .

It does not matter what today’s Christians believe or sanction for the last Prophet & others .

God will judge us on the basis of His final holy book , not what His slaves allow today in the west.
** Yeah God will judge us alright but it will not be on the basis of the Koran it will be on the basis of the real final holy book THE BIBLE**

So , it’s better if u people stop accusing the last Prophet unnecessarily. Time is limited in this world , try to use it more positively.
** Yeah you have that right time is limited but why should we respect your prophet when you and the other Muslims on this board say things like we believe in three gods and not one? You clearly don’t respect our believes so why should we respect yours if you do not show us the same respect? **
I really believe forum participants are capable of writing more positive posts & engage in a dialogue rather than wasting time by bringing false accusations against God’s laws & God’s Prophets (pbut).

As much negativity as you have against Christians and Christianity and you want us to censor what we say about Mohammed give me a break!

 

[inJESUS]

the man had his good and bad, so it wouldn’t be neither fair nor correct to say he didn’t help the poor ecc. When he does good, we see it as good, when he does evil, we see it as evil. Muslims cannot differentiate since nothing he had done could be considered a sin…a mistake maybe, but not a sin since he is considered the best of believers but we can differentiate because we have different teachings and a different role model to follow whose teaching, deeds, and life cannot be compared to Muhammad, but of course Allah thinks Muhammad is the example of virtue.