Question on Islam -- round 4

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**Euchristed, it is the same thing. It is a same type of problem like one of your catholic friends here on the forum said:

“Jesus is God. God is not Jesus.”**

Or I have another one for you:

" God is One in Three and Three in One."

Can you understand or explain that?
Do you have an answer for my question or not? If so, speak the truth; if not, speak not. Better to be silent than to tell a lie.
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace
you don’t know whether or not he created you for paradise…at least not yet.
we must strive to be the humble servants of God Almighty ; will pray to Him alone for best rewards in this world & hereafter . That’s what we all can do . By arguing why God created hell won’t benefit us as we can’t challenge our Creator . Let’s pray that God did not create hell for any of us & our dear ones 🙂

There is a saying of Prophet Muhammed (p) like this : if someone prays for heaven minimum 3 times daily , God won’t reject his/her prayer. So , let us pray daily & ask God for heaven. After reaching heaven , may be we will think why God created
hell 🙂
 
D i L, would you say that Jesus was not a prophet? Forget what more you believe about Jesus. You can hold all your beliefs. I am asking you “Was Jesus not a prophet of God?” Tell in plain words that Jesus was not a prophet of God. Please thank you.
and I’m telling you Jesus is way more than a mere prophet you know that Christians don’t believe that Jesus is a prophet so why are you even asking this question? It is completely unnecessary
 
**Euchristed, it is the same thing. It is a same type of problem like one of your catholic friends here on the forum said:

“Jesus is God. God is not Jesus.”**

Or I have another one for you:

" God is One in Three and Three in One."

Can you understand or explain that?
We have been over and over this again it is not possible for us as human beings to understand the actions of Almighty God even the Koran says that God can do anything he pleases. Now are you telling me that it is beyond the capability of the Almighty God to take human form and come to the earth and are you saying that the Almighty God doesn’t have the ability to express himself in human form if he so chooses? After all it is stated repeatedly in the Koran that God is all-powerful and can do all things.
Now either you believe that God is all-powerful or you don’t but if you are going to demand respect for your prophet Mohammed and your religion from us, as you and the other Muslims on this forum have done, then why don’t you respect our religion and stop doing such offensive things like questioning The Holy Trinity? I ask again why should we respect your religious beliefs when you do not respect our religious beliefs?
 
I just have a general question, but I thought I’d post it here so I don’t derail the Islam #3 thread since Jharek is waiting for a response from planten. 🙂

Anyhow, in polygamous marriages does the first wife have control/dominance in any way over the subsequent wives? Can the husband tell his first wife to “deal with” or “handle” the second wife if she has a disagreement with her?

Thank you.
 
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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
…does the first wife have control/dominance in any way over the subsequent wives? .
No . One wife has no superiority over other wives. Husband must deal with them justly. If one makes a mistakes , others must try to correct her in a good manner .
 
**and I’m telling you Jesus is way more than a mere prophet you know that Christians don’t believe that Jesus is a prophet **so why are you even asking this question? It is completely unnecessary
I am happy that christians do not consider Jesus as a prophet of God. Thank you very much. So from now on, you may never put up Jesus as a prophet please.
 
We have been over and over this again it is not possible for us as human beings to understand the actions of Almighty God even the Koran says that God can do anything he pleases. Now are you telling me that it is beyond the capability of the Almighty God to take human form and come to the earth and are you saying that the Almighty God doesn’t have the ability to express himself in human form if he so chooses? After all it is stated repeatedly in the Koran that God is all-powerful and can do all things.
Now either you believe that God is all-powerful or you don’t but if you are going to demand respect for your prophet Mohammed and your religion from us, as you and the other Muslims on this forum have done, then why don’t you respect our religion and stop doing such offensive things like questioning The Holy Trinity? I ask again why should we respect your religious beliefs when you do not respect our religious beliefs?
**Aydan, i do respect your beliefs. You are free to believe what you like. I am free to hold my opinion about those beleifs.

Quran says that Allah is powerful to do what he likes. i.e to do everything that he wills.

Please note that you have not answered my questions:
  1. Jesus is God. God is not Jesus.
  2. God is One in Three and Three in One.
Can you please explain those strange sentences to me. I do not question your Trinity.

I fully agree with you about your good words about respecting each others religions. I am with you.
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huh I have never referred to Jesus as a prophet. If I do that I’m not Christian. Show me where I have said Jesus is a prophet.
I am happy that christians do not consider Jesus as a prophet of God. Thank you very much. So from now on, you may never put up Jesus as a prophet please.
 
**

Quran says that Allah is powerful to do what he likes. i.e to do everything that he wills.

Please note that you have not answered my questions:
  1. Jesus is God. God is not Jesus.
  2. God is One in Three and Three in One.
    Can you please explain those strange sentences to me. I do not question your Trinity.
**
Yes the reason I did not answer them is because they have already been answered on other threads and I believe that you have been here long enough that you know the answers. But I will do it one last time and that’s it
  1. When we say Jesus is God Christians are saying that Jesus is divine since he is the son of God. When we say that God is not Jesus we are saying that God is not limited to expressing his will exclusively through Jesus.
  2. First all Christians believe that God is all-powerful and the human mind is incapable of understanding the full abilities of God Now three and one is obviously referring to the holy Trinity. Christians believe that there is only one almighty God but that almighty God has chosen to express his willto us in three different ways the father chose to express himself in human form through Jesus his son and finally the Holy Spirit this is how God expresses his will for us to every individual. So that is what three in one and one in three means. There is one almighty God WHO HAS CHOSEN to express himself to us in three ways the father the son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
 
Yes the reason I did not answer them is because they have already been answered on other threads and I believe that you have been here long enough that you know the answers. But I will do it one last time and that’s it
  1. When we say Jesus is God Christians are saying that Jesus is divine since he is the son of God. When we say that God is not Jesus we are saying that God is not limited to expressing his will exclusively through Jesus.
  2. First all Christians believe that God is all-powerful and the human mind is incapable of understanding the full abilities of God Now three and one is obviously referring to the holy Trinity. Christians believe that there is only one almighty God but that almighty God has chosen to express his willto us in three different ways the father chose to express himself in human form through Jesus his son and finally the Holy Spirit this is how God expresses his will for us to every individual. So that is what three in one and one in three means. There is one almighty God WHO HAS CHOSEN to express himself to us in three ways the father the son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful



Duas/ Supplications of some Messengers and other Pious Muslims in the Quran
  1. Dua of Adam (A.S) to Allah in repentance:
“Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.”

Al-Qur’an, 007.023 (Al-Araf [The Heights])
  1. Dua of Yunus (A.S) repenting to Allah in the belly of the whale:
“La ilaha illa Anta [none has the right to be worshipped but You (O Allah)], Glorified (and Exalted) are You [above all that (evil) they associate with You]. Truly, I have been of the wrong-doers."

Al-Qur’an, 021.087 (Al-Anbiya [The Prophets])
  1. Dua of Ayyub (Job, A.S) after he was ill for many years:
“Verily, distress has seized me, and You are the Most Merciful of all those who show mercy.”
Al-Qur’an, 021.083 (Al-Anbiya [The Prophets])
  1. Dua of Ibrahim (Abraham (A.S)) for widom and piety:
26:83 My Lord! Bestow Hukman on me, and join me with the righteous;

26:84 And grant me an honourable mention in later generations;

26:85 And make me one of the inheritors of the Paradise of Delight;

26:86 And forgive my father, verily he is of the erring;

26:87 And disgrace me not on the Day when (all the creatures) will be resurrected;

26:88 The Day whereon neither wealth nor sons will avail,

26:89 Except him who brings to Allah a clean heart.

Al-Qur’an, 026.083 (Ash-Shuara [The Poets])
  1. Dua of Ibrahim(Abraham (A.S) for forgiveness for his parents:
“Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents, and (all) the believers on the Day when the reckoning will be established.”

Al-Qur’an, 14.041 (Ibrahim[Abraham])

6)Dua of Ibrahim(Abraham (A.S)

"Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our Manasik (all the ceremonies of pilgrimage - Hajj and 'Umrah, etc.), and accept our repentance. Truly, You are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.”

Al-Qur’an, 2.128 (Al-Baaqarah[The Cow])
  1. Dua of Ibrahim(Abraham (A.S) and his followers to Allah when dealing with the idol worshippers:
" Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return”

Al-Qur’an, 060.4(Al-Mumtahina [The Woman to be Examined])
  1. Dua of Musa (Moses, A.S)
“My Lord! Truly, I am in need of whatever good that You bestow on me!”

Al-Qur’an, 28.024 (Al-Qasas [The Narrations])
  1. Dua of the people of the Cave:
“Our Lord! Bestow on us mercy from Yourself, and facilitate for us our affair in the right way!”
Al-Qur’an, 18.010 (Al-Kahf [The Cave])
  1. Dua of Yusuf (Joseph, A.S) for Allah to make him die as a muslim:
“The (only) Creator of the heavens and the earth! You are my Wali (Protector, Helper, Supporter, Guardian, etc.) in this world and in the Hereafter, cause me to die as a Muslim (the one submitting to Your Will), and join me with the righteous."

Al-Qur’an, 12.101 (Yusuf [Joseph])

11)Dua of the new beleivers whom Pharaoh was threatening to torture for their belief:

“Our Lord! pour out on us patience, and cause us to die as Muslims."

Al-Qur’an, 7.126 (Al-Araf [The Heights])
  1. Dua of Musa (Moses, A.S) for good speech, when he was sent by Allah to Pharaoh:
"O my Lord! Open for me my chest (grant me self-confidence, contentment, and boldness).
"And ease my task for me;

"And make loose the knot (the defect) from my tongue, (i.e. remove the incorrectness from my speech)

"That they understand my speech,”
Al-Qur’an, 20.025-28 (Ta Ha [Ta Ha])

13)Dua of Talut (Saul) and his army for victory over Jalut(Goliath) and his forces:

“Our Lord! Pour forth on us patience and make us victorious over the disbelieving people.”
Al-Qur’an, 2.250 (Al-Baqarah [The Cow])
  1. Dua of Lut (A.S) to Allah for help :
“My Lord, support me against the corrupting people.”

Al-Qur’an, 29.030 (Al-Ankaboot [The Spider])
  1. Dua of Pharaoh’s wife when she was being tortured by Pharaoh:
"My Lord, build for me near You a house in Paradise…”

Al-Qur’an, 66.011 (Al-Tahrim [The Holding])

16)Dua of Shuaib (A.S) against his people:

“Our Lord! Judge between us and our people in truth, for You are the Best of those who give judgment."

Al-Qur’an, 7.089 (Al-Araf [The Heights])
  1. Dua seeking refuge from the shaytaan:
"My Lord! I seek refuge with You from the whisperings (suggestions) of the Shayatin (devils). And I seek refuge with You, My Lord!

lest they may attend (or come near) me."

Al-Qur’an, 23.097-98 (Muminun [The Believers])

CONCLUSION

Glorified be your Lord, the Lord of Honour and Power! (He is free) from what they attribute unto Him!

And peace be on the Messengers!

And all the praise and thanks be to Allah, Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

Al-Qur’an, 37.180-182 (As-Saaffat[Those Ranged in Ranks])

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huh I have never referred to Jesus as a prophet. If I do that I’m not Christian. Show me where I have said Jesus is a prophet.
** Aydan, you said “Jesus is not prophet.” Please read Deut 18:18 of the old testament and tell me who is That prophet who is promised by Moses a.s.??? When will he come?**
 
I’m glad we’ve moved to “round 4” because round 3 got way too full… 😃

I’d like to ask about the shahada:
The Shahada can be declared as follows:
“ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASUL-ALLAH”.
The English translation is:
“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truely to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah”,
This information is gathered from this site:

islamworld.net/docs/become.html

And what I would like to know if it is correct from Arabic to English.

Thanks much!
 
huh I have never referred to Jesus as a prophet. If I do that I’m not Christian. Show me where I have said Jesus is a prophet.
It won’t matter how many times, or how many people do this explaining to planten - he doesn’t want to understand or even tolerate the fact of what we believe. He will even write it in one sentence - then in another write the opposite. What he gets he gets from the koran, period.

In fact, the koran teaches that the Trinity includes Mary (surah 5: 114-117). This is one (of many) errors in the koran. No one except the muslims have made this sort of a mistake.

What planten needs to answer to us before he starts his rants and questions is where does he get his conception of what we believe? If it isn’t in the Bible - then he has the problem and once again is not even willing to study other’s religions by going to those texts themselves and instead relies on islam’s texts for other’s religions which have time and again been proven false.

And if the koran makes this sort of an error then how can the koran be taken seriously as the word of anyone but a pagan who wanted to be a Christian, or a Jew?
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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…“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truely to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah”,

… if it is correct from Arabic to English.
Yes , it’s correct . But Prophet (pbuh) repeatedly reminded us that he is a humble servant of God Almighty. In other sites , I noticed that they included the word Abd/ servant in the testimony. So , I think , it is better to say:

“I bear witness that there is no deity worthy to be worshiped but Allah and Muhammad is His servant and Messenger.”

Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu
 
Yes , it’s correct . But Prophet (pbuh) repeatedly reminded us that he is a humble servant of God Almighty. In other sites , I noticed that they included the word Abd/ servant in the testimony. So , I think , it is better to say:

“I bear witness that there is no deity worthy to be worshiped but Allah and Muhammad is His servant and Messenger.”

Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu
Just as he repeatedly committed shirk.

via Islam’s own texts - al tirmidhi hadiths (5th of the accepted 6)
#936, #929, #933, #938, #927, #922-923, #820, #811, #66

And here are a few that shows he indeed did commit shirk. He put himself right up there with your god, allah, who it seems
needed help in forgiving people their sins.

tirmidhi #929, '…I said: “May I devote the whole of my supplication to you? (my prayer)?” Thereupon he (Muhammed) said: ‘In that case it will take care of you and your sins would be expiated.’
(So, supplicating to Muhammed takes care of sin? This is heretical shirk!)

#938 The supplication is stopped between heaven and earth and none of it ascends till you invoke blessing on your prophet. (Prayers cannot reach the big boss, Allah, unless muslims include an invocation for mohammed!?)

Could this next display of shirk be why muslims try to outdo each other in the number of PBUHs they put in their sentences? Oops, you missed an opportunity in your post for another one. Your scales might not be balanced today.
#922 Allah’s messenger said: ‘He who invokes one blessing on me, Allah will shower ten blessings upon him and obliterate ten sins and elevate him by ten ranks.’
(muslims, knowing how contentious and capricious Allah is, are constantly struggling to make it to home plate in this pointless game of islam.)

The rest that I referenced are just as bad and show that mohammed committed shirk quite often and wasn’t that humble.
 
I should point out what it takes to commit shirk:

What is Shirk?
-Taking human beings from among ourselves as Lords or patrons besides allah.
-Taking angels or prophets as Lords or patrons besides allah.
-Taking Ahbaar and Rahbaan (religious authorities) as Lords and patrons besides allah.
-Worshipping, obeying and adoring of anything besides allah.
-Taking Masters (wali) other than allah. to ascribe allah’s partners in his command or rule.
-To ascribe allah’s partners in his kingship or dominion.
-To ascribe allah’s partners in his lordship.
-To be divided into sects.
-Failing to establish the Just Economic System of Zakat

And the hadiths that I referenced are indeed going against some of these rules of shirk.
 
** Aydan, you said “Jesus is not prophet.” Please read Deut 18:18 of the old testament and tell me who is That prophet who is promised by Moses a.s.??? When will he come?**
once again you misunderstand what theBible is telling us the second coming which is what you’re referring to means that Jesus will come as the son of God that he is to judge the living and dead. I don’t need to read the Bible I have already read that not to mention I will have all the proof I need this entire week. Therefore Jesus never was and never will be a prophet.
 
once again you misunderstand what theBible is telling us the second coming which is what you’re referring to means that Jesus will come as the son of God that he is to judge the living and dead. I don’t need to read the Bible I have already read that not to mention I will have all the proof I need this entire week. Therefore Jesus never was and never will be a prophet.
So who is the Prophet mentioned in Deut 18:18?. It is not Jesus. If Jesus is not a prophet then he cannot be that prophet, in his first coming and also not in his second coming. Can you please understand that? I cannot understand what you believe about that prophet of the Deut 18:18.

Do all the Catholics believe that Jesus was not a prophet at all.?? That is good or strange news for me.
 
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