Question on Islam -- round 4

[R_not]

Boy, you do live in a bubble of self denial and hate.

I think you are someone else who decided that you needed an new id. Because you haven’t yet responded to the post itself but only what you think of me.

One line judgements. That someone else I am thinking of used to do the same thing.

 

[R_not]

lol, well even excluding the crusades and and inquisition the same could be applied to Christianity. In fact the God of the Old Testament orders or sanctions killing, torturing, and enslaving.

Prove it - show me the passages. Or start a new thread. You haven’t proven your point.

Show me where He has commanded the Jews to keep on killing others for God. I haven’t read about them doing such a thing for centuries. There was a time when they had to go to war and take care of peoples in order to live in peace afterwards, but the order to keep on killing isn’t there.

Are you here for a discussion on islam, or a discussion on the Bible? You sound like a muslim who is trying to deflect the koran’s own inadequacies by accusing others of some thing. That excuse is called tu quoque - an attempt to mitigate one’s responsibility for a wrongdoing by pointing out other’s flaws.

Anyway - whatever you want to do - prove your point.

Also show me where God tells the Jews to take slaves. They did that on their own and slavery existed until a bit over a century ago until it was stopped in the West. But, it has not stopped in the islamic world. And we have some cases where, when the muslims are caught in the USA, they are put on trial for this deed. A couple in Colorado sit in prison for slavery, two men in different cities in California are either in prison for it or going to trial.

 

[neploho]

I got nothing except bashing from you and you tell me that I am lacking. From your post you have no intention of reading the texts that I have pointed out because you can’t locate whatever post you are having a problem with also tells me that now you are just bashing just to bash. You have yet to prove your point.

Hm. I have no intention of reading your post because I can’t locate the post I have problems with. That’s quite a theory. I don’t have a problem with a post. I did find your vigorous effort to prove Muhammad was guilty of assigning partners to God amusing. Finally, I don’t have any point to prove. I gave impressions not an argument. I find the zealous hatred of you and a few other choice characters disturbing. That does not need argument it is simply a report of my feelings. I also find your, and those other key individuals, posts amusing. That also needs no argument unless you wish me to prove that I find them funny. Finally I said that they seemed to be funny in a sort of surrealist sense; to that I added the caveat that I did not think you were intending them to be funny. If you want an explanation of their surrealist quality I guess I can provide that. If you want me to prove you were serious then I admit this is not something I can prove. If this latest, and most of your preceding argument/claims/rants were in fact just a splendid serious of jokes then you have both my utmost apologies and admiration.

Of course I don’t represent islam according to islamic ‘scholars’. If I were then I would be as mindless a robot as the muslims, and you, are. Or I shouldn’t include you in that since all you have been doing is bashing and showing no substance at all. You are worse than the muslims who are defending their despicable koran.

Let’s try to wade through this one. You don’t represent Islam fairly because that would make you as mindless as the Muslims. Well representing a religion fairly or as its followers understand it is really not so much "mindless’ as “accurate”. When you claim that Muhammad committed shirk you are operating within a particular religious universe which you must remain in if you wish you assertion to have any semblance of coherence. To say nothing of the instances where you flat out assert Islam (as though it were a uniform ideology) retains a particular belief. In that can it is also simply accurate to represent that belief as Muslims understand it. As for my being a “mindless robot” you’d have to be a more exact as to how this applies to me

As for the spelling, are you kidding me?

LOL!

Yeah. Looks like you got the joke. The Arabic really does pronounce it with a hard, flat American “k” rather than a sound more akin to the American “q”. I was just joshing with you.

So what how I spell it? It has been spelled, and is spelled, as ‘koran’ for many years this way. As for a google search - I do that for you and those who don’t read books. If you don’t like the source - then fine. Go read the passages yourself - I HAVE PROVIDED THEM FOR YOU TO READ AND YOU STILL ARE UNABLE TO CRACK OPEN A KORAN

 

[neploho]

Prove it - show me the passages. Or start a new thread. You haven’t proven your point.

Show me where He has commanded the Jews to keep on killing others for God. I haven’t read about them doing such a thing for centuries. There was a time when they had to go to war and take care of peoples in order to live in peace afterwards, but the order to keep on killing isn’t there.

Are you here for a discussion on islam, or a discussion on the Bible? You sound like a muslim who is trying to deflect the koran’s own inadequacies by accusing others of some thing. That excuse is called tu quoque - an attempt to mitigate one’s responsibility for a wrongdoing by pointing out other’s flaws.

Anyway - whatever you want to do - prove your point.

Also show me where God tells the Jews to take slaves. They did that on their own and slavery existed until a bit over a century ago until it was stopped in the West. But, it has not stopped in the islamic world. And we have some cases where, when the muslims are caught in the USA, they are put on trial for this deed. A couple in Colorado sit in prison for slavery, two men in different cities in California are either in prison for it or going to trial.

I didn’t say there was an order to continue killing. That your God did order killing is very clear; I refer you to his dealing with the Canaanites. I would certainly consider stoning a form of torture which your God pronounces as a fitting punishment for numerous offenses. And the beat goes on duh da dump da da.

As for my " tu quoque" no, not even close. I never claimed your text’s barbarism mitigates the barbarism in the Islamic tradition. You listed the sanction of murder, torture and slavery as a sanction for your admitted hatred of Islam. If sanction of these three actions is sufficient for “hating” a religion then you would, in the interests of consistency, need to hate your own religion.

 

[R_not]

Hm. I have no intention of reading your post because I can’t locate the post I have problems with. That’s quite a theory. I don’t have a problem with a post. I did find your vigorous effort to prove Muhammad was guilty of assigning partners to God amusing. Finally, I don’t have any point to prove. I gave impressions not an argument. I find the zealous hatred of you and a few other choice characters disturbing. That does not need argument it is simply a report of my feelings. I also find your, and those other key individuals, posts amusing. That also needs no argument unless you wish me to prove that I find them funny. Finally I said that they seemed to be funny in a sort of surrealist sense; to that I added the caveat that I did not think you were intending them to be funny. If you want an explanation of their surrealist quality I guess I can provide that. If you want me to prove you were serious then I admit this is not something I can prove. If this latest, and most of your preceding argument/claims/rants were in fact just a splendid serious of jokes then you have both my utmost apologies and admiration.

Oh, then all you are doing is generalizing and just don’t like the messenger. As for mohammed setting himself up as allah’s partner - you will need to read the passages then. He did indeed do that. And he used his god, allah, whenever he needed to do something such as - take his stepson’s wife, for example. Or whenever he needed to do quite a number of despicable things.

I don’t joke about the koran. It has been used as an excuse to kill and terrorize since mohammed’s time. And since you just don’t like the message that I bring - using islam’s own texts to show that it is contradictory, violent, etc and don’t want to prove otherwise except to bash me, then I think that your comments are unwarrented.

Bring something to the table, as they say.

Let’s try to wade through this one. You don’t represent Islam fairly because that would make you as mindless as the Muslims. Well representing a religion fairly or as its followers understand it is really not so much "mindless’ as “accurate”. When you claim that Muhammad committed shirk you are operating within a particular religious universe which you must remain in if you wish you assertion to have any semblance of coherence. To say nothing of the instances where you flat out assert Islam (as though it were a uniform ideology) retains a particular belief. In that can it is also simply accurate to represent that belief as Muslims understand it. As for my being a “mindless robot” you’d have to be a more exact as to how this applies to me

Oh, a lot rhetoric to show that you have nothing to refute islam’s own texts that show mohammed as committing shirk.

islam is not a uniform idiology. But, some things are very uniform such as their thoughts on mohammed. And this repetition of mohammed being humble, perfect, blah blah blah just is not true. He broke his own definitions of sin such as shirk - many times - and the muslims just gloss over that, as do you it seems.

They redefine words so as to make him seem perfect when he was a very, despicable person. The koran and hadiths, and other historical texts, are chock full of accounts and mohammed’s own words to show us that mohammed probably landed his soul in hell rather than besides allah. And that same redefinition of terms to justify deception, if they are the less violent muslim, or to justify their violence if they are the violent muslims who do indeed kill others for allah. their ommission of facts such as how they divide the world, and people, up to justify their jihad (whether violent or just supporters of the violence)

As for a fair evaluation of islam - that is hard to do without just writing down fairy tales about mohammad and islam. And that is what the muslims, and their apologists, do. I will leave that to them. But, don’t expect that others shouldn’t refute those fairy tales.

The good passages that are indeed good about mohammed and the muslims are few and far between. If they are good, I don’t respond. I just leave them. But, if they are on a trip down fairy tale lane - I will indeed respond. and muslim woman was down that lane with her trying to tell us that mohammed was a humble man. He was anything but humble because when someone sets themselves up with their god (whether or not I believe in that god or not) is not a humble person. All I did was prove he was not a humble man.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Are you saying that the statement in bold below this does NOT come verse 3:18? Is that what you are saying?

I am saying , in this verse God reminded us He is only one.

Since you specified “any messenger” in your beliefs **who are **these “any messengers”??

God sent Prophets to each nations. Whenever any Prophet came to his nation , it was a must for them to accept him . Jesus (pbuh) came to Jews & it was a must for them to respect & follow him .

OK - so I would like to know who are the “messenger” - besides mohamad.

25 names are mentioned in Quran . Posted the list more than once.

God changed his mind when He created the koran because it contradicts the Biblical OT & NT

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The most important matter is God is one. God warned in OT , NT – don’t take other deity besides Him . This message is same in all major holy books including Quran.

Some rules were changed like alcohol was allowed in the past. During the time of Muhammed (pbuh) , it became unlawful for the believers. Gambling , lottery , pork etc were also forbidden . Men were allowed to take as many wives as he wished , in Quran , God fixed the limit & put a condition etc etc. But the most important did not change --don’t take other deity.

Why mohamad? What about all of the other “prophets” stated in the koran?

Muhammed (pbuh) is the Final one , Seal of the Prophets (pbut). Through Muhammed (pbuh) , God taught us to respect all the Prophets ( pbuh) .

So , anyone accepts Muhammed (pbuh) as a messenger , s/he is also accepting other Prophets (pbut). Because it’s a must for Muslims to believe in the previous Prophets (pbut).

And God knows Best.

I believe regadless of what muslims say, that indeed they do have some sort of “worship” for mohamad.

If any Muslim starts worshipping Muhammed (pbuh) & dies without repentance , s/he will be in fire forever .

Jews rejected Jesus (pbuh) ; thus they revolted against God ; Jews repeated the mistake & Christians sadly joined them by rejecting Muhammed (pbuh) – God’s last messenger. Muslims respect all the Prophets , not only Muhammed (peace be upon them all). Alhamdulillah…Praise be to God only.

 

[Aydan]

So who is the Prophet mentioned in Deut 18:18?. It is not Jesus. If Jesus is not a prophet then he cannot be that prophet, in his first coming and also not in his second coming. Can you please understand that? I cannot understand what you believe about that prophet of the Deut 18:18.

Do all the Catholics believe that Jesus was not a prophet at all.?? That is good or strange news for me.

Jesus Christ, God and Man
by Fr. William G. Most

Summary

This article teaches that Jesus Christ is the Redeemer promised to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15, the only Son of God, and by that very fact, Lord of all Creation. He is the second Person of the Holy Trinity, sent to the world by the Father to become man and save us from our sins. So St. Peter said in Matthew 16:16: “You are the Christ, the son of the Living God”. The name Jesus means Savior, as we see from Matthew 1:2. The name “Christ,” “Messiah” in Hebrew, means the Anointed one (cf. Acts 10:38).

Jesus is God

“And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” wrote St. John (1:14). So, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity assumed human nature. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Divine Word of whom John wrote, “In the beginning was the Word; the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1).

He Became Man

“In the fulness of time, God sent his Son, born of a woman” (Gal 4:4). In order to become a member of the human race in the fullest sense, the Second Person of the Trinity became man by being born of a human woman, Mary. He was conceived by her without the help of a human father, but rather, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Thus, the God-man Jesus Christ had only God as His Father, and the Virgin Mary as His Mother. (See the section on Mary, the Mother of God.)

Jesus as Teacher

We can easily see He was not the same as other great religious teachers. He not only worked miracles that could be authenticated, but worked them in contexts such that there was a tie established between the miracle and the claim, as we see in the healing of the paralytic in Mark 2. He foretold His own resurrection; He lived a life of such holiness that He could challenge people: “Which of you can convict me of sin?” (John 8:46). Hardly anyone else would dare to give such a challenge! His teaching rested not on human reasoning but on the divine authority which He claimed, e.g., when He said several times over: “You have heard it was said to them of old… but I say to you” (Matthew 5:27-44). He inspired His followers to follow Him even to dreadful deaths. If someone objects: other religions have had martyrs too - correct. But not one of them can provide the solid support of data that we can, as shown in our sketch of apologetics in part one.

Jesus as Redeemer

However, the chief reason that God became man was to redeem us from sin, that is, to pay the debt of our sins, as Leo the Great said (Letter to Flavian, June 13, 449). We read in the Epistle to the Ephesians (2:4-5): “God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive again together with Christ.” (See the section on Jesus’ suffering and death.)

Jesus as Founder

He founded a Church whose doctrine can and does develop in the same line, that is, without reversing any previous teaching, over all centuries. He made clear that this was the divinely given means of getting peace in this life and eternal salvation in the world to come. (See the section on the Church.)

One Person, Two Natures

The Council of Chalcedon in 451 brought to the climax the long debates about the make-up of Jesus: He is one Person, a Divine Person, having two natures, divine and human, in such a way that these two natures remain distinct after the union in the one Person. We call this union “hypostatic union” from the Greek “hypostasis” which means person - two natures joined in one Person.

His human nature is the same as ours, for he had a human body and a human soul. He was like us in all things except that He was without sin, even though He was tempted as we are (Hebrews 4:15). However, this does not mean that He had within Him disorderly passions. The Second Council of Constantinople in 553 defined this truth against “impious Theodore of Mopsuestia”.

His divine nature is the same as that of the Father. The Council of Nicea in 325 defined that He is “one in substance [homoousios] with the Father”.

The Wonder of the Incarnation

Finally , Plato, the great Greek philosopher, in his Symposium 203, wrote: “No god associates with men”. Aristotle in his Nichomachean Ethics 8. 7 wrote that friendship of a god with a man is impossible; the distance is too great. What would they have thought had they learned that God actually became man, and even, that He willed for our sake to submit to a horrible and shameful death? In the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 21:23 says: “Cursed be everyone who hangs on the wood”. No wonder St. Paul told the Corinthians (I. 1:23) that the doctrine of the cross is folly to the Greeks, and a scandal to the Jews!

Taken from The Basic Catholic Catechism
PART THREE: The Apostles’ Creed II - V
Second Article: “Jesus Christ His Only Son, Our Lord”

By William G. Most. (c)Copyright 1990 by William G. Most

 

[jakasaki]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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I am saying , in this verse God reminded us He is only one.

God sent Prophets to each nations. Whenever any Prophet came to his nation , it was a must for them to accept him . Jesus (pbuh) came to Jews & it was a must for them to respect & follow him .

25 names are mentioned in Quran . Posted the list more than once.

The most important matter is God is one. God warned in OT , NT – don’t take other deity besides Him . This message is same in all major holy books including Quran.

Some rules were changed like alcohol was allowed in the past. During the time of Muhammed (pbuh) , it became unlawful for the believers. Gambling , lottery , pork etc were also forbidden . Men were allowed to take as many wives as he wished , in Quran , God fixed the limit & put a condition etc etc. But the most important did not change --don’t take other deity.

Muhammed (pbuh) is the Final one , Seal of the Prophets (pbut). Through Muhammed (pbuh) , God taught us to respect all the Prophets ( pbuh) .

So , anyone accepts Muhammed (pbuh) as a messenger , s/he is also accepting other Prophets (pbut). Because it’s a must for Muslims to believe in the previous Prophets (pbut).

And God knows Best.

**If any Muslim starts worshipping Muhammed (pbuh) & dies without repentance , s/he will be in fire forever . **

Jews rejected Jesus (pbuh) ; thus they revolted against God ; Jews repeated the mistake & Christians sadly joined them by rejecting Muhammed (pbuh) – God’s last messenger. Muslims respect all the Prophets , not only Muhammed (peace be upon them all). Alhamdulillah…Praise be to God only.

I was already expecting the answers you gave me. I want to return back to my original question about the shahada and nothing else.

The shahada reads as follows:

"There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger."

**The Shahada is the gnosis of God and all **his messenger(s). <--------------- This statement is key to my question. The word ALL vs 1=mohamad

It is to accept the one and only Almighty Creator **and his last messenger **Mohammed (peace upon him).

ummah.com/ifsa/pages/section2/shahada.htm

Shahada = Gnosis is the spiritual word of God **AND ALL **his messenger(s)

So, we have the definition of shahada. Word of God and the Word of ALL his messengers.

But the shahada is to acknowledge 1 messenger only, **not **ALL messengers.

The basic Shahada can be declared in many forms and its recitation is also used as a form of meditation or remembrance of Allah called Dhikr. It is also called the Kalma. The first Kalma is the basic Shahada at the top and the second Kalma is:

"I witness that there is no God but Allah and I witness that Mohammed is his servant and messenger."

ummah.com/ifsa/pages/section2/shahada.htm

And from another site on How to Become a Muslim:

The Shahada can be declared as follows:

“ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASUL-ALLAH”.

The English translation is:

"I bear witness that there is no deity (none truely to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah",

islamworld.net/docs/become.html

Now, having posted this, why is it geared towards mohamad and NOT ALL messengers?

And did you read the definition of the word “worship”?

The words which are in bold is the way muslims regard mohamad, therefore he is part of the worship ritual.

 

[Sam_777]

why is it geared towards mohamad and NOT ALL messengers?

Because on the Day of Resurrection, Muhammed is the only one who can have intercession with Allah, per this hadith (E) (A).

 

[Pater_Familias]

Subhanallah–is it not amazing how firmly they hold their hands over their ears, to ignore the truth?

Eh Truth ? What truth ? Islam is a heretical belief system based upon on man’s distorted view of christianity. Nothing more nothing less.

Any ressidual good which Islam may contain is totally negated by the way it is interpreted and applied by the so called leaders of the faith.

I will pray for you

Ad Jesu Per Mariam

 

[Pater_Familias]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Not only in holy Quran , in His previous holy books , God repeatedly told humankind that none has the right to be worshipped but He .

I don’t understand how this contradicts with this statement that Muhammed (pbuh) is His slave & messenger ??

It conflicts with the statement of Muhammed as his slave and messenger since most muslims give alot of adoration to Muhammed as the prophet . Adoration which is due to GOD only.

A person who rejects any messenger of God can’t call him/herself as a Muslim. Rejecting messenger means rejecting the commands of God Almighty , it’s a kind of arrogance. God sent His final holy book to His Last messenger Muhammed (pbuh).

So , if one needs to be a Muslim , s/he needs to testify that s/he believes Muhammed (pbuh) as a Prophet. Why you are confusing it with that verse where God told us that He is the only one to be worshipped ? Muslims don’t worship Muhammed ( pbuh) or any other human being or angel . They are all His creations.

Yep and that is the problem you believe that our Lord and Saviour Jesus is but also a creation of GOD and not his son .

Heresy at it’s best!

 

[planten]

Eh Truth ? What truth ? Islam is a heretical belief system based upon on man’s distorted view of christianity. Nothing more nothing less.

Any ressidual good which Islam may contain is totally negated by the way it is interpreted and applied by the so called leaders of the faith.

I will pray for you

Ad Jesu Per Mariam

**Pater Familias, you are accusing Islam with distorting christianity. Please know that charistianity was already distorted by the time Islam appeared on earth. How can any one distort the already distorted religion?.

Please understand that your faith (christianity) was no more related to Jesus (Christ). Only the name of Jesus was being used and is being used even today. Otherwise all is paul who was Saul (by the year 325 A.D.) I assure you that If Jesus ever came back in the world again (which he will never do), he will not be able to recognise any of his followers. He will not find any at all.

Your faith is so altered away from the real teachings of Jesus that it is beyond recognition, beyond repair by ordinary means. I had to write all that to inform you that you are not on sound footing. So please do not pass any adverse remarks about islam again. You better leave us alone.**.

 

[Sam_777]

**I assure you that If Jesus ever came back in the world again (which he will never do), **

That is why Muslims consider Ahmadiyya no more than a heresy group.

Here is the authentic hadith about the second coming of Jesus according to Islam:

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0287:
“Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (may peace be upon him) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it.”

صحيح مسلم:
قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏والذي نفسي بيده ‏ ‏ليوشكن أن ينزل فيكم ‏ ‏ابن مريم ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏حكما ‏ ‏مقسطا ‏ ‏فيكسر الصليب ويقتل الخنزير ويضع ‏ ‏الجزية ‏ ‏ويفيض ‏ ‏المال حتى لا يقبله أحد ‏
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[planten]

From Sam: That is why Muslims consider Ahmadiyya no more than a heresy group.

Here is the authentic hadith about the second coming of Jesus according to Islam:

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0287:
“Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (may peace be upon him) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it.”
صحيح مسلم:
قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏والذي نفسي بيده ‏ ‏ليوشكن أن ينزل فيكم ‏ ‏ابن مريم ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏حكما ‏ ‏مقسطا ‏

**Thanks Sam for presenting the most authentic hadith on this subject of the second coming of the son of Mary (Ibne Maryam). Please remember that Ibne Maryam does not actually mean the same old son of Maryam. It is a proverb now used for any good teacher or healer of wounds.

Secondly, know that the prophet said these words to the Sahabah ( his companions) that son of Mary will land amongst YOU. The word land should be understood that it does not mean coming from the sky.

Thirdly, He will be a just judge. He will decide with justice all the matters of contention (religious disputes, no wars)…

He will break the Cross. (It is also symbolic only. He won’t go into every church to break all crosses.)
He will kill the swines. (It is also symbolic words, not really mean that he would go in jungle for swine hunting.)

Please consider all of the above:

1. The landing amongst the Sahabah.
2. The breaking the Cross.
3. The killing of swine.
4. Abolish Jizyah.**

All of the above are only symbolic, not in real words. There is only Jesus son of Mary left in that Hadith. Will Jesus be the real same old Jesus?? No. That is also symbolic.

When all the others have been translated to mean differently and not in real terms then why not the word Ibne Maryam be also translated as some one else. When Jesus did not come amongst the Sahabah, as told, but YOU means something else, then why not the promised Masiha may be some one else? Please think over.

We all believe that Promised Masiha a.s. will come. But it will not be the same old Masiha. Period.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Logic behind Prohibition in Islam

In Islam, the question of permissibility and prohibition is closely related to the more important feeling of being conscious of Allah and fearing Him.

It is the pivot around which every intention and every action in the life of a believer turns. Thus, it transforms human life into a relationship with Allah, a recognition of His Greatness, and a consciousness of His Presence and Power in all situations, whether we are alone or with others.

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states the following:

"Everything that Islam prohibits is based on tangible benefits and utilities or masalih. Allah Almighty says, “He has permitted all good things for you, and has prohibited all bad things.” (Al-A`raf 157)

You can also read:

Wisdom behind the Prohibition of Pork

Allah Almighty knows best.

 

[jakasaki]

Koran: Chapter 7 - #157

Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong…

#158

Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all - (the messenger of) Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no Allah save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death. **So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, **who believeth in Allah and in His Words, and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.

**The koran states, mohamad cannot read/illiterate… but the hadiths prove otherwise… **

Hadith: #2993

Narrated Yazid ibn Abdullah:

We were at Mirbad. A man with dishevelled hair and holding a piece of red skin in his hand came. We said: You appear to be a bedouin. He said: Yes. We said: Give us this piece of skin in your hand. He then gave it to us and we read it. It contained the text: “From Muhammad, Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), to Banu Zuhayr ibn Uqaysh. If you bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, offer prayer, pay zakat, pay the fifth from the booty, and the portion of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and his special portion (safi), you will be under by the protection of Allah and His Apostle.”

**We then asked: Who wrote this document for you? He replied: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). **

Narrated 'Ursa:
**The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) **with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). (Sahih Bukhari 7.88)

Narrated Anas bin Malik :
Once the Prophet wrote a letter or had an idea of writing a letter. The Prophet was told that they (rulers) would not read letters unless they were sealed. So the Prophet got a silver ring made with “Muhammad Allah’s Apostle” engraved on it. As if I were just observing its white glitter in the hand of the Prophet … (Sahih Bukhari 1.65)

#114: Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:

Ibn 'Abbas said,** "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, ‘Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.’ **But 'Umar said, ‘The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah’s Book with us and that is sufficient for us.’ …

#288: - Narrated Said bin Jubair:

Ibn 'Abbas said, “Thursday! What (great thing) took place on Thursday!” Then he started weeping till his tears wetted the gravels of the ground . Then he said, "On Thursday the **illness of Allah’s Apostle was aggravated and he said, “Fetch me writing materials so that I may have something written to you **after which you will never go astray.” …

 

[neploho]

Why did Mohammed turn his back on a blind man? How could he justify doing this if he werea prophet of God? Mohammed claimed to be following in the footsteps of Jesus but how can this be so when these verses in the Koran show that he turned his back on a disabled person when Jesus never did that?

[1] (The Prophet) frowned and turned away,

[2] Because there came to him the blind man (interrupting).

[3] But what could tell thee but that perchance he might grow (in spiritual understanding)?

[4] Or that he might receive admonition, and the teaching might profit him?

Obviously you did not actually read that chapter.

Muhammad was wrong and God corrects him. According to tradition he then honored the blind man and gave him the title something like (and a Muslim can make this paraphrase more correct) “him on whose account my sustainer corrected me”

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Obviously you did not actually read that chapter.

yes; It’s not that Prophet (pbuh) ignored him just because he was blind . The reason is Prophet was talking to tribe leaders then & he hoped if leaders accept Islam , all the tribes will follow them .

Anyway , as guidance come from God Almighty only & Prophet should have given attention to that person who wanted to know about Islam , God corrected the mistake.

Prophet was kind to poor , old & helpless people. Here is one such story . How Prophet helped a dwarf man to find his soul mate.

A Hope for Desperate Souls

Julaybib, the Prophet’s companion

By Amatullah Abdullah

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[Aydan]

Obviously you did not actually read that chapter.

Muhammad was wrong and God corrects him. According to tradition he then honored the blind man and gave him the title something like (and a Muslim can make this paraphrase more correct) “him on whose account my sustainer corrected me”

yes I’m aware of that now answers I received here are an adequate answer to my question but thank you for your reply.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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The Muslim Jesus

Christians believe that Jesus was resurrected three days after his crucifixion. Christians celebrate this resurrection on Easter Day or Easter Sunday. Prophet Jesus is a key figure in the Muslim creed. He is held in Islam with high esteem as a messenger and prophet from God.

On the occasion of Easter, Reading Islam invites you to watch the movie “Jesus in Islam” which narrates the story of the life of Jesus according to the Muslim belief.

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