Question re: Husband staring at other females

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To the visual, if you are in shape and he is allowed to touch you, I think him a bit silly.

I am no where near the sweet innocence of many posters here but if I have an in shape touchable lady around, my eyes don’t wander much beyond my tendency for tactical awareness (which inadvertently aquires pretty and hilariously not pretty things in my view)
Your honest insight is appreciated, LethalMouse. Yes, I’m in shape and touchable by him, but unfortunately he can’t seem to turn away from the scantilly-clad bodies on the beach or anywhere else. Time will tell if things improve, but until then, I keep praying.
 
I can’t believe I’m saying this but here goes:
Praying isn’t going to change his worldview. It WILL help you cope.

However, you and your husband should to sit down and talk about it. REALLY talk. He needs to listen and hear how it makes you feel. He’s going to say it’s not justified, but you’ll have to say, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt you. Clearly he thinks it’s no big deal. Tell him what the deal is, then ask him to make a decision. Make you feel awful and unloved, disrespected, and used, or keep behaving like a boy who needs a date and not a dedicated husband. It’s fine to appreciate the good looks of women, but when it crosses the line into boorish behavior, it not only weakens your bond, but makes him look really uneducated.
If he won’t listen to you, go to a counselor.
This isn’t going to just “go away”. It has to be dealt with.
God bless you. I hope he changes for the sake of your marriage and your peace of mind.
 
Thanks for the link, XenaFan. I don’t agree with quite a bit of it, but maybe some people will, especially men. I have a related question for the men reading this thread — Is it true as the video states that you as a man actually forget the images of the scantilly- clad or well-endowed women you have seen as soon as they’re out of sight? Am very curious about your personal experiences as men in that regard and if they correspond to what the man in the video indicates is true. I’ve read that pornography images remain imbedded and remembered in the brain long after they’re viewed, actually for years. I would think the same principal would apply.

I think the more important issue in my marriage is the fact that my husband treads on my feelings when they don’t mesh with how he thinks I should feel or when they make him uncomfortable. It’s been this way for years on just about any topic, even current events, unfortunately. It may very well be that he has a controlling personality, and he was successful at controlling me for quite a long time. For years I often remained quiet if I knew my speaking up about something would anger him. I no longer do that, and I’ve upset his apple cart, so to speak.
 
Thanks for the link, XenaFan. I don’t agree with quite a bit of it, but maybe some people will, especially men. I have a related question for the men reading this thread — Is it true as the video states that you as a man actually forget the images of the scantilly- clad or well-endowed women you have seen as soon as they’re out of sight? Am very curious about your personal experiences as men in that regard and if they correspond to what the man in the video indicates is true. I’ve read that pornography images remain imbedded and remembered in the brain long after they’re viewed, actually for years. I would think the same principal would apply.

I think the more important issue in my marriage is the fact that my husband treads on my feelings when they don’t mesh with how he thinks I should feel or when they make him uncomfortable. It’s been this way for years on just about any topic, even current events, unfortunately. It may very well be that he has a controlling personality, and he was successful at controlling me for quite a long time. For years I often remained quiet if I knew my speaking up about something would anger him. I no longer do that, and I’ve upset his apple cart, so to speak.
As an older woman once said “sometimes there is that person, the stranger on the plane you might just have a glance and smile and they stick with you”

But that is men/women. And not purely visual. I am reminded of posting a CL missed connections ad from a girl I had 1 line with. I firgot the ad was up and had started seeing someone. I got her message a month later when her sister came across it and recognized the guy she told of back then…

But that was chemistry, not that I am Brad Pitt or had my awesome abs hanging out… I was in work clothes and sick lol.

So I would find it impossible to believe that you do not have that one guy every year or so that just oddly is remembered for some unexplained reason.

But disregarding that in terms of pure visual, unless there is something “odd” then no. I could not identify any pretty girl I have seen in the last day unless it is soemone I already know or see regularly. And even then they are not “thought about”.

And I am single technically right now but am seeing someone who I like, and she is what I think about when thinking 🙂

Your only real problem seems to be his reactions and your mention that “he never does anyhting wrong” in general. I think maybe this issue is sort of your stand for a host of little things he does in the not caring about how you feel because he is always right category.

The fact that he finds the female form easy on the eyes is the lowest issue presented. I can appreciate a beautiful woman like I stare at a sunset or a mountain view…

But your issue is his righteousness assuming you are approaching in a reasonable manner 🙂 Tho tbh your posting does not give an unreasonable vibe, I just always lean toward both sides possible in a scenario 😉
 
Thanks for the link, XenaFan. I don’t agree with quite a bit of it, but maybe some people will, especially men. I have a related question for the men reading this thread — Is it true as the video states that you as a man actually forget the images of the scantilly- clad or well-endowed women you have seen as soon as they’re out of sight? Am very curious about your personal experiences as men in that regard and if they correspond to what the man in the video indicates is true. I’ve read that pornography images remain imbedded and remembered in the brain long after they’re viewed, actually for years. I would think the same principal would apply.

I think the more important issue in my marriage is the fact that my husband treads on my feelings when they don’t mesh with how he thinks I should feel or when they make him uncomfortable. It’s been this way for years on just about any topic, even current events, unfortunately. It may very well be that he has a controlling personality, and he was successful at controlling me for quite a long time. For years I often remained quiet if I knew my speaking up about something would anger him. I no longer do that, and I’ve upset his apple cart, so to speak.
I just mentally processed this…

The bold here ummm… basically he doesnt know you then.

I had a gf who did this, I lived in bliss and when she broke up with me she listed things that we disagreed on…things she had been pretending we agreed on because “she didnt like conflict”.

The problem was we never found out how we would be if she was honest. And kf she changed to her “real” slowly years later instead of breaking up with me… I would be with a woman who was not the woman I signed up for. I could actually understand his frustration more now that you said this as I tell many posters here

As one does more work avoiding work, one gains more conflict avoiding conflict.

You played the stepford wife and now say “to bad tricked you sucker”

:confused: there is a long road to relearn eachother and assuming you are both catholic married you may have to just muddle through because if you are not his wife… you might be someone he’d have never married and you just faked it too long 😦 you want him to change now when you already taught him to be with a wife who doesnt exist…

Sorry if this is on the harsher end but it tis my pet peeve… the one who faked,lied, and changed the circumstances is entitled to much less sympathy IMO.

Now not being there that doesn’t mean he isnt a bit of a jerk, BUT you are not correcting a natural level of jerk now, as you enabled it so long that he will be both a natural jerk with the righteous irritation that you once accepted who he was and now decided he is not good enough.

Per the video I would be worried more that you are dissatisfied with him more than he was with you, as it sounds like you are done liking this guy’s personality.
 
I can’t believe I’m saying this but here goes:
Praying isn’t going to change his worldview. It WILL help you cope.

However, you and your husband should to sit down and talk about it. REALLY talk. He needs to listen and hear how it makes you feel. He’s going to say it’s not justified, but you’ll have to say, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt you. Clearly he thinks it’s no big deal. Tell him what the deal is, then ask him to make a decision. Make you feel awful and unloved, disrespected, and used, or keep behaving like a boy who needs a date and not a dedicated husband. It’s fine to appreciate the good looks of women, but when it crosses the line into boorish behavior, it not only weakens your bond, but makes him look really uneducated.
If he won’t listen to you, go to a counselor.
This isn’t going to just “go away”. It has to be dealt with.
God bless you. I hope he changes for the sake of your marriage and your peace of mind.
Thanks very much, pianistclare, for some good dialogue to use during the next discussion that occurs. What I’ve used in the past hasn’t worked well. It often ends with a statement from him that I’m “being ridiculous” closely followed by “end of discussion.” Praying does help me cope and retain my sanity, though, and I firmly believe that it will also be successful one day, in one form or another, even if I’m not successful in the one-on-one discussions with my husband. I’ve already seen too many miracles come about as a result of prayers to believe they won’t bear fruit one day, somehow. May God bless you also.
 
I just mentally processed this…

The bold here ummm… basically he doesnt know you then.

I had a gf who did this, I lived in bliss and when she broke up with me she listed things that we disagreed on…things she had been pretending we agreed on because “she didnt like conflict”.

The problem was we never found out how we would be if she was honest. And kf she changed to her “real” slowly years later instead of breaking up with me… I would be with a woman who was not the woman I signed up for. I could actually understand his frustration more now that you said this as I tell many posters here

As one does more work avoiding work, one gains more conflict avoiding conflict.

You played the stepford wife and now say “to bad tricked you sucker”

:confused: there is a long road to relearn eachother and assuming you are both catholic married you may have to just muddle through because if you are not his wife… you might be someone he’d have never married and you just faked it too long 😦 you want him to change now when you already taught him to be with a wife who doesnt exist…

Sorry if this is on the harsher end but it tis my pet peeve… the one who faked,lied, and changed the circumstances is entitled to much less sympathy IMO.

Now not being there that doesn’t mean he isnt a bit of a jerk, BUT you are not correcting a natural level of jerk now, as you enabled it so long that he will be both a natural jerk with the righteous irritation that you once accepted who he was and now decided he is not good enough.

Per the video I would be worried more that you are dissatisfied with him more than he was with you, as it sounds like you are done liking this guy’s personality.
Actually, I disagree with this. If a spouse is controlling, it can take a long time for the other spouse to speak up, especially if they are “punished” for doing so, as the OP is.

The OP’s husband is in the wrong here. Maybe there are things the OP could have done differently, but the scenario you talk about above is not comparable to the OP’s situation. It is wrong that her husband is staring at other women. The OP isn’t making it up or exaggerating it because she has “now decided he isn’t good enough”. She’s finally found the courage to speak up, knowing it gets very little benefits and a lot of defensiveness and being told she is wrong by her husband.

OP, ask your husband why your feelings matter so little to him. If he will, sit down with him and explain how it makes you feel. Clare’s advice is great.

Lou
 
Actually, I disagree with this. If a spouse is controlling, it can take a long time for the other spouse to speak up, especially if they are “punished” for doing so, as the OP is.

The OP’s husband is in the wrong here. Maybe there are things the OP could have done differently, but the scenario you talk about above is not comparable to the OP’s situation. It is wrong that her husband is staring at other women. The OP isn’t making it up or exaggerating it because she has “now decided he isn’t good enough”. She’s finally found the courage to speak up, knowing it gets very little benefits and a lot of defensiveness and being told she is wrong by her husband.

OP, ask your husband why your feelings matter so little to him. If he will, sit down with him and explain how it makes you feel. Clare’s advice is great.

Lou
The issue is she keeps saying his personailty is beyond this issue. It isn’t jsut that he does this one thing wrong, aoparently he does other things wrong and is “controlling”

I have literally seen ads by women/men online dating “looking for someone controlling” some to an insane level.

If one signed up to date these people then would the controlling party be “wrong”???

Most might say this is a disordered situation, but it was sought and agreed upon.

Dating is learning eachother and deciding if they are who you want. Whether it be an interest in playing chess or a foot fetish…

The one who changes is the breaker. And if you date seek and marry a controller and seem happy and then tell them they are a jerk/witch… you have tricked them.
 
The issue is she keeps saying his personailty is beyond this issue. It isn’t jsut that he does this one thing wrong, aoparently he does other things wrong and is “controlling”

I have literally seen ads by women/men online dating “looking for someone controlling” some to an insane level.

If one signed up to date these people then would the controlling party be “wrong”???

Most might say this is a disordered situation, but it was sought and agreed upon.

Dating is learning eachother and deciding if they are who you want. Whether it be an interest in playing chess or a foot fetish…

The one who changes is the breaker. And if you date seek and marry a controller and seem happy and then tell them they are a jerk/witch… you have tricked them.
The OP did not get married to be controlled by her husband, and she has not tricked her husband. I am glad for you that you have never had any kind of relationship where you have been controlled or told you are being ridiculous, as the OP’s husband has.

What the OP needs is advice, not being told she signed up for it so she needs to suck it up.

OP, you said before you went to counselling on your own because your husband wouldn’t go with you - do you think it would help you to go again?

Lou
 
The OP did not get married to be controlled by her husband, and she has not tricked her husband. I am glad for you that you have never had any kind of relationship where you have been controlled or told you are being ridiculous, as the OP’s husband has.

What the OP needs is advice, not being told she signed up for it so she needs to suck it up.

OP, you said before you went to counselling on your own because your husband wouldn’t go with you - do you think it would help you to go again?

Lou
I have been, it was just a switch flip amd trickery.

The sweet non controlling person who becomes one is not good

If this was the husbands case I would cry foul on him more.

And I did say I was not claiming he lacks blame. I broke up with a girl once I felt wanted TOO controlled because I never wanted to slide down a slippery slope of not checking myself.

One can get carried away given the famous quote about power and corruption.

But she seems to imply that he is consistent and any escalation in his irritation is related to new changed wife.

I can only go on what is presented.

Evem IF she truly changed unfairly that does not necessarily nor did I claim that frees him from blames. However I was showing that it has created a grander problem.

I have said they probably need counseling and it seems that is the most logical avenue.

Also if he refuses counseling then I would by default in my own mind assign him some more blame.

But I rarely see a situation in which you have one saint and one demon.

It is usuallly two imperfect humans with a bit of angel and demon on either shoulder…

Unfortunately we as humans seek advice purely to our side of things which is not going to help in entirety… which is why marriage counseling with BOTH parties is so important.
 
I just mentally processed this…

The bold here ummm… basically he doesnt know you then.

I had a gf who did this, I lived in bliss and when she broke up with me she listed things that we disagreed on…things she had been pretending we agreed on because “she didnt like conflict”.

The problem was we never found out how we would be if she was honest. And kf she changed to her “real” slowly years later instead of breaking up with me… I would be with a woman who was not the woman I signed up for. I could actually understand his frustration more now that you said this as I tell many posters here

As one does more work avoiding work, one gains more conflict avoiding conflict.

You played the stepford wife and now say “to bad tricked you sucker”

:confused: there is a long road to relearn eachother and assuming you are both catholic married you may have to just muddle through because if you are not his wife… you might be someone he’d have never married and you just faked it too long 😦 you want him to change now when you already taught him to be with a wife who doesnt exist…

Sorry if this is on the harsher end but it tis my pet peeve… the one who faked,lied, and changed the circumstances is entitled to much less sympathy IMO.

Now not being there that doesn’t mean he isnt a bit of a jerk, BUT you are not correcting a natural level of jerk now, as you enabled it so long that he will be both a natural jerk with the righteous irritation that you once accepted who he was and now decided he is not good enough.

Per the video I would be worried more that you are dissatisfied with him more than he was with you, as it sounds like you are done liking this guy’s personality.
You missed a key word: CONTROLLING

The OP has not been fake or lied about who she is. She has merely decided to keep the peace with a controlling man who believes he never does wrong.

If he was being physically abusive, would you have less sympathy? Someone who is being abused whether emotionally or physically often doesn’t realise and often keeps quiet to keep the peace. As time goes on they become frustrated with how they are treated and want to do something about it. Are you really telling me that if this was physical abuse, you would say to the women, you lied and were fake by allowing him to think of you as meek and mild so he didn’t beat you, I have no sympathy? What’s the difference with a man who us controlling? (A form of emotional abuse)
 
OP, do you have children? or more specifically a daughter?

If so, ask your husband (assuming he cares for her as a father should), how he would feel if a man treated his daughter, the way he treats you.
 
You missed a key word: CONTROLLING

The OP has not been fake or lied about who she is. She has merely decided to keep the peace with a controlling man who believes he never does wrong.

If he was being physically abusive, would you have less sympathy? Someone who is being abused whether emotionally or physically often doesn’t realise and often keeps quiet to keep the peace. As time goes on they become frustrated with how they are treated and want to do something about it. Are you really telling me that if this was physical abuse, you would say to the women, you lied and were fake by allowing him to think of you as meek and mild so he didn’t beat you, I have no sympathy? What’s the difference with a man who us controlling? (A form of emotional abuse)
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The OP’s wife is speaking up for herself and is now being told she is at fault for him staring at other women and shouldn’t tell him to stop - at least that’s what I’m getting from your post, LethalMouse. Why should the OP accept her husband disregarding her feelings and being disrespected?

Lou
 
I just mentally processed this…

The bold here ummm… basically he doesnt know you then.

I had a gf who did this, I lived in bliss and when she broke up with me she listed things that we disagreed on…things she had been pretending we agreed on because “she didnt like conflict”.

The problem was we never found out how we would be if she was honest. And kf she changed to her “real” slowly years later instead of breaking up with me… I would be with a woman who was not the woman I signed up for. I could actually understand his frustration more now that you said this as I tell many posters here

As one does more work avoiding work, one gains more conflict avoiding conflict.

You played the stepford wife and now say “to bad tricked you sucker”

:confused: there is a long road to relearn eachother and assuming you are both catholic married you may have to just muddle through because if you are not his wife… you might be someone he’d have never married and you just faked it too long 😦 you want him to change now when you already taught him to be with a wife who doesnt exist…

Sorry if this is on the harsher end but it tis my pet peeve… the one who faked,lied, and changed the circumstances is entitled to much less sympathy IMO.

Now not being there that doesn’t mean he isnt a bit of a jerk, BUT you are not correcting a natural level of jerk now, as you enabled it so long that he will be both a natural jerk with the righteous irritation that you once accepted who he was and now decided he is not good enough.

Per the video I would be worried more that you are dissatisfied with him more than he was with you, as it sounds like you are done liking this guy’s personality.
Thank you for the (name removed by moderator)ut, LethalMouse, but I think you might be viewing me as almost the same as your past girlfriend who you feel tricked you into believing she was someone she wasn’t. I never pretended to agree with my husband in an attempt to avoid conflict. In fact, before we were married and for several years after we actually agreed on most things and were blissfully in love! It was actually only years after children came along that I realized if I voiced an opinion contrary to his he would, depending on the day, likely verbally admonish me and treat my feelings as unfounded and “ridiculous.” It wasn’t until after I discovered his porn viewing a few years ago that I realized the extent at which he was staring at other females in public. Prior to that, I never really paid attention to how long he looked at anything.

May I ask if you are married? If you are, perhaps that might make a bit of sense to you. If you’re single, I hope you won’t view each person you date as trying to trick you.

May Our Lord bless you on this journey through life filled with many lessons to learn!
 
You missed a key word: CONTROLLING

The OP has not been fake or lied about who she is. She has merely decided to keep the peace with a controlling man who believes he never does wrong.

If he was being physically abusive, would you have less sympathy? Someone who is being abused whether emotionally or physically often doesn’t realise and often keeps quiet to keep the peace. As time goes on they become frustrated with how they are treated and want to do something about it. Are you really telling me that if this was physical abuse, you would say to the women, you lied and were fake by allowing him to think of you as meek and mild so he didn’t beat you, I have no sympathy? What’s the difference with a man who us controlling? (A form of emotional abuse)
If

If this relationship started out as an online ad by her that read “looking for a controlling man” would your advice be any different?

Probably other than social conditioning…

Ergo IF is not what we are talking about. I also caveat what I say with the qualifiers.

If he _____ is already noted.

But she made him sound in some ways “not bad” and (name removed by moderator)kies the escalation if anger is asscoiated to her new behavior.

Again I am not there neither are you.

IF means he might be the most evilest man in the world

IF means she could have made this up so far fromt he truth he is actually being beat by her right now.
 
If

If this relationship started out as an online ad by her that read “looking for a controlling man” would your advice be any different?

Probably other than social conditioning…

Ergo IF is not what we are talking about. I also caveat what I say with the qualifiers.

If he _____ is already noted.

But she made him sound in some ways “not bad” and (name removed by moderator)kies the escalation if anger is asscoiated to her new behavior.

Again I am not there neither are you.

IF means he might be the most evilest man in the world

IF means she could have made this up so far fromt he truth he is actually being beat by her right now.
Have you actually read the latest post by the OP?

OP, I’m so sorry things have been difficult for you. Just keep trying to get him to listen, and don’t feel like you should be sorry for his actions.

Lou
 
OP, do you have children? or more specifically a daughter?

If so, ask your husband (assuming he cares for her as a father should), how he would feel if a man treated his daughter, the way he treats you.
Thanks very much for your kind (name removed by moderator)ut in all of this, TruthFaith. I definitely appreciate it. Yes, we do have children, but no daughters. That would be a good form of reasoning to bring up with my husband if we did, though.
 
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