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I am not Catholic and was wondering if during the confirmation process the confirmand must promise to pursue their faith in the Catholic church in order to be confirmed. Also, my children have many friends who are in their second year of confirmation and one of them does not believe in God, another is totally questioning the Catholic faith, and then several are just going through confirmation because their parents are making them. My other question is if these children do not believe in the confirmation process and what it stands for do they still receive the blessing of the Sacrament? (if that is how you say it?)
Thanks.
 
I am not Catholic and was wondering if during the confirmation process the confirmand must promise to pursue their faith in the Catholic church in order to be confirmed. Also, my children have many friends who are in their second year of confirmation and one of them does not believe in God, another is totally questioning the Catholic faith, and then several are just going through confirmation because their parents are making them. My other question is if these children do not believe in the confirmation process and what it stands for do they still receive the blessing of the Sacrament? (if that is how you say it?)
Thanks.
They would be validly Confirmed, but there could be an impediment to the Graces of the Sacrament.
 
I am not Catholic and was wondering if during the confirmation process the confirmand must promise to pursue their faith in the Catholic church in order to be confirmed. .
part of the rite is the profession of faith, where the candidate swears in front of the bishop, God and everyone that he believes and holds all that the Catholic Church teaches. the purpose of the catechetical instruction is to enable him to make that promise knowledgeably. If he promises something he does not believe or actively rejects, that borders on sacrilege, and is certainly making a false promise, a lie. the sacrament would still be valid, because the insincerity of the candidate has no impact on the intent of the celebrant, but the graces would not operate unless and until the candidate rectified the situation, confessed and comes to belief.
 
"part of the rite is the profession of faith, where the candidate swears in front of the bishop, God and everyone that he believes and holds all that the Catholic Church teaches. "

At what point do they teach the comfirmands they must make this profession of faith? And is that what they do when they have the Rite of Covenant for the confirmands during Mass? One of the boys had no idea he had to do this he just thought he would be sealed with the Holy Spirit and that was all confirmation is about.
 
What does “an impediment to the Graces of the Sacrament” mean?
 
I used to teach adult confirmation classes, but it has been several years since I have attended a Confirmation. As I recall the confirmandi recite the Nicene Creed immediately before receiving the Sacrament. This is essentially a reaffirmation of the promises made by, or for, them at their Baptism; a renewal of their commitment to the Church and all She teaches.
 
I know this must seem a stupid question, but when did the confirmand make their initial commitment to the Catholic faith when stated a “renewal of their commitment” is made. I understand the commitment made by the confirmand’s parents (and the church) at infant Baptism and that this cleanses the child of their nature to sin (right?) but I don’t understand when the child actually verbally, emotionally, and intellectually commits to the Catholic Faith until the Mass receiving the Confirmation Sacrament. Also, why does the confirmand have to make a profession of faith to the Catholic church specifically (instead of just professing their faith in Jesus and their desire to follow God’s will in their lives ) to receive the sealing of the Holy Spirit? The kids I talk to never made the commitment themselves to the Confirmation process and the faith in the church, they are just being obedient to their parent’s commitment. If that makes any sense. I heard one of the mom’s say to her son that he had to take the Holy Eucharist this week because he had to fulfill his commitment and he was like “I didn’t make the commitment, you did.” lol And sorry to go on I’m just trying to understand better, but how can a child make a commitment to following the Catholic faith and its teachings for the rest of their lives if they don’t have a clear understanding of what those teachings are? This same boy did not know he must promise to do all he could to raise his children in the Catholic faith in order for his marriage to be valid in the Catholic church. So he is asked to make a profession of faith to a faith he doesn’t fully know yet and what he will be required to commit to in order to stay in a state of grace. I hope I’m not too confusing in my questions. But thanks to anyone who can decipher them and maybe give me some understanding.
 
You ask a number of questions which I will try to answer to the extent I can.

The first is essentially as I understand it, when did the person make the committement to the Chuch? The parents made it on the the child’s behalf at baptism. Keep in mind though by the time of confirmation, the child would have already had some instruction for first communion. By receiving communion each week, the child is implicitly affrming that he or see believes what the church teaches about the faith. Obviously though, because of their age, they wouldn’t understand what the faith is as fully as an older child or adult would.

The second question is why does the child have to make a profession of faith to the Catholic church specifically? I am not familar with the liturgy enough say whether that is an accurate description or not. However, Catholics believe as a matter of faith that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus and that her bishops are sucessors to the apostles. The bishops suceed to the authority to forgive (and not forgive) sins that Jesus gave to the apostles. In other words, the nature of the church, itself is part of the faith. I know that may sound strange, but it is what catholics believe. (Long before I converted, it sounded strange to me when I first understood that.)

Perhaps, I am misreading your post, but part of it seems like you are also asking why a child, that hasn’t yet chosen to be confirmed, would be bound by the rules. If you were baptised a catholic, (or are later confirmed after being baptised in another christian faith) you are required to follow the rules. It is analogous to being born in the U.S. You are a citizen and required to follow the law even though you didn’t agree to do so.

“So he is asked to make a profession of faith to a faith he doesn’t fully know yet and what he will be required to commit to in order to stay in a state of grace.” Candidates for confirmation should be (and normally are) instructed in the faith so that can understand what they are committing to in confirmation. In practice that might not happen in a particular case because of either the candidate or the instructor, but that doesn’t mean its the norm.
 
Inman, Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my scattered questions. I am just trying to understand the religion of my friends a little better so I can better understand them personally.

Your answers have definitely helped. Especially the citizenship analogy.

I guess all my questions lead to this final thought that a person isn’t emotionally ready to commit to anything until that person has had been “called” into the process by God through the Holy Spirit. (kind of like your later conversion to the Catholic church)
I just think that this happens at different times and ages for each person so I have compassion on these kids who are obligated to go through the confirmation process at the same time as everyone else yet they personally do not feel ready to make a commitment to do so. I know in truth a person can go through the process at anytime of their lives but unfortunately we as parents seem to “strongly encourage” our children to follow the rules and schedule of the church and that our kids feel guilty if they don’t do so. Good kids do as they are told, so to speak. So what happens when these kids reach their twenties and realize they have many questions and yet the church says it is wrong to ask questions and just abide by the Government of the Church. I see so many older teens and twenty somethings who reach a period of “spiritual crisis” because they realize they have questions about the faith they have been taught to believe.
This applies to all faiths not just the Catholic religion.

For some reason the teenagers talk to me about this stuff and they are frustrated with the fact that their parents (especially the moms) force the Catholic faith on them when they don’t feel like they are mature enough to make the decision of what faith they want to follow. They are frustrated with the prayers they are “taught” to pray instead of speaking their own hearts to God. They take the Holy Eucharist out of guilt that they will not go to heaven if they don’t take it. One boy’s father got onto him for not participating in the Liturgy and song one morning at mass. He just didn’t want to do something out of habit but he wanted to mean it. The children don’t talk to their own parents about these things because they feel like they are dishonoring them by questioning. All I can say to them is “to honor their parents” and be respectful but that I understand their frustration.

This is a real problem with the kids going through confirmation right now. Does anyone else recognize these issues? And if so, what can be done to help these kids out?
 
Inman, Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my scattered questions. I am just trying to understand the religion of my friends a little better so I can better understand them personally.

Your answers have definitely helped. Especially the citizenship analogy.

I guess all my questions lead to this final thought that a person isn’t emotionally ready to commit to anything until that person has had been “called” into the process by God through the Holy Spirit. (kind of like your later conversion to the Catholic church)
I just think that this happens at different times and ages for each person so I have compassion on these kids who are obligated to go through the confirmation process at the same time as everyone else yet they personally do not feel ready to make a commitment to do so. I know in truth a person can go through the proc

ess at anytime of their lives but unfortunately we as parents seem to “strongly encourage” our children to follow the rules and schedule of the church and that our kids feel guilty if they don’t do so. Good kids do as they are told, so to speak. So what happens when these kids reach their twenties and realize they have many questions and yet the church says it is wrong to ask questions and just abide by the Government of the Church. I see so many older teens and twenty somethings who reach a period of “spiritual crisis” because they realize they have questions about the faith they have been taught to believe.
This applies to all faiths not just the Catholic religion.

For some reason the teenagers talk to me about this stuff and they are frustrated with the fact that their parents (especially the moms) force the Catholic faith on them when they don’t feel like they are mature enough to make the decision of what faith they want to follow. They are frustrated with the prayers they are “taught” to pray instead of speaking their own hearts to God. They take the Holy Eucharist out of guilt that they will not go to heaven if they don’t take it. One boy’s father got onto him for not participating in the Liturgy and song one morning at mass. He just didn’t want to do something out of habit but he wanted to mean it. The children don’t talk to their own parents about these things because they feel like they are dishonoring them by questioning. All I can say to them is “to honor their parents” and be respectful but that I understand their frustration.

This is a real problem with the kids going through confirmation right now. Does anyone else recognize these issues? And if so, what can be done to help these kids out?
Confirmation is not about the kids committing to something it’s about the Holy Spirit acting on them.

That’s why I firmly believe in returning the sacraments of initiation to their original order and confirming kids at the same time as they receive their first Communion.

BTW, I’ve attended at least 25 Confirmations over the years and never did I experience anything more than a group renewal of the Baptismal promises in question form, the same way it’s done at Baptism. IE. Do you believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of Heaven and Earth?** I do.**
 
"part of the rite is the profession of faith, where the candidate swears in front of the bishop, God and everyone that he believes and holds all that the Catholic Church teaches. "

At what point do they teach the comfirmands they must make this profession of faith? And is that what they do when they have the Rite of Covenant for the confirmands during Mass? One of the boys had no idea he had to do this he just thought he would be sealed with the Holy Spirit and that was all confirmation is about.
Confirmation programs vary from parish to parish. In the one that I’m teaching right now, I’m introducing the Profession of Faith next week. We are doing the Communion of Saints this week. Our program runs until April 20th.

Other topics they’re covering include the Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit, the Seven Virtues, and the 12 Fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Just fyi, as a Catechist, I am not allowed to tell any child that she or he is not allowed to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, no matter what I think of their readiness. This isn’t some kind of laziness on my part; it is that I just absolutely do not have the authority to make that call. It is the parents’ decision alone, and if the parents want this Sacrament for their child, we are not allowed to deny it. (In theory, the Bishop could deny it, but there is no record of such a thing ever happening in our Diocese.)
 
What does “an impediment to the Graces of the Sacrament” mean?
It means that the person’s soul is wounded and because of the wound, is unable to receive the graces that are coming from this Sacrament.

Imagine that Jesus is a river. Imagine that the Sacrament is a kitchen tap. Imagine that the soul is a cup.

In this case, the cup has a hole in the bottom of it, so even though you can turn on the tap and cause the water from the river to flow out, the cup can’t receive the water, because of the hole in the bottom of it.

What has to happen is that the “cup” has to be repaired.

In the case of the soul, the soul receives repairs in the Sacrament of Reconciliation (aka Confession).
 
…That’s why I firmly believe in returning the sacraments of initiation to their original order and confirming kids at the same time as they receive their first Communion…
As a Byzantine Catholic I was confirmed as an infant during the same ceremony in which I was baptized. My three Byzantine Catholic children, too, were also confirmed as infants, concurrent with their baptisms.

Although we are canonically Byzantine Catholics, my children all received their formal religious education through the local Roman Catholic Church in the community we moved to. When eighth grade (the confirmation age in our local Roman Catholic diocese) rolled around for each one of them, it was kinda tough convincing their respective RE instructors that they had, indeed, already received the Sacrament of Confirmation (a “one-time” sacrament, not to be repeated), and could/must not receive it again with the rest of their class.

By the way, The Byzantine Catholic Church has since returned to the ancient practice of administering all three of the Catholic Church’s Holy Mysteries (Sacraments) of Initiation – Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Eucharist – to infants during the same ceremony. Naturally, having already received Our Lord in Holy Communion during their initiation, these infants, toddlers and babes-in-arms are absolutely free to continue to receive Holy Communion along with the rest of the faithful at each Eucharistic Sacrifice that they attend, whether it be a Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy or a Roman Catholic Mass.
 
I know in truth a person can go through the process at anytime of their lives but unfortunately we as parents seem to “strongly encourage” our children to follow the rules and schedule of the church and that our kids feel guilty if they don’t do so. Good kids do as they are told, so to speak. So what happens when these kids reach their twenties and realize they have many questions and yet the church says it is wrong to ask questions and just abide by the Government of the Church.
The Catholic Church, for one, does not say that it is wrong to ask questions. There is, of course, a time and a place. The middle of the homily, for example, is not a good time to interrupt and ask questions.

But an appointment can be made with the priest during the week, who will gladly answer any and all questions in a private interview in his office. (I know this because I do it all the time. Sometimes, they are busy and I don’t get to see him at exactly the time that I was hoping for, but I do get my questions answered in due time.)

Kids can also ask questions in Sacramental Preparation classes, in religion classes, at Youth Group, and at Catechism classes.
I see so many older teens and twenty somethings who reach a period of “spiritual crisis” because they realize they have questions about the faith they have been taught to believe.
This is always a good time to get an appointment with a priest and take him out for coffee, and ask him whatever is on their minds.
For some reason the teenagers talk to me about this stuff and they are frustrated with the fact that their parents (especially the moms) force the Catholic faith on them when they don’t feel like they are mature enough to make the decision of what faith they want to follow.
That choice has already been made - they are already Catholic.
They are frustrated with the prayers they are “taught” to pray instead of speaking their own hearts to God.
There is no “either/or” here. They are certainly allowed to pray to God in their own words, in addition to using the words of traditional prayers.
They take the Holy Eucharist out of guilt that they will not go to heaven if they don’t take it. One boy’s father got onto him for not participating in the Liturgy and song one morning at mass. He just didn’t want to do something out of habit but he wanted to mean it.
The only thing he has to change, in order to mean it, is the attitude of his heart. He can make a choice to mean the words of the Liturgy from his heart. He doesn’t have to change the words around, or stop saying the words. I was at a talk a couple of nights ago where the speaker said, “We can change the Liturgy and make it over into our image. Or, we can let the Liturgy change us, and make us over into God’s image.” The Liturgy was given to us by Jesus Christ - it comes from God. We humans don’t have the right (or even the ability) to “improve on” it. 😉
The children don’t talk to their own parents about these things because they feel like they are dishonoring them by questioning. All I can say to them is “to honor their parents” and be respectful but that I understand their frustration.
They should not feel bad about asking their parents about these things. Their parents are, in fact, their first teachers, and are ready and willing to be there for them, to answer their questions. The parents made this promise when their kids were being baptized.
This is a real problem with the kids going through confirmation right now. Does anyone else recognize these issues? And if so, what can be done to help these kids out?
Just let them know that perception is not reality. That what they are perceiving isn’t how things really are - they want to pray; they can pray! We want them to pray! They want to feel empowered by the Liturgy, and that’s exactly what we want for them, too! Everything is already all set up for them to do this; all they have to do is recognize the gift, and receive it with open hearts. 🙂
 
Thank you all for ALL of your responses. That really does clear a lot of things up for me. And it will also help me with these kids and helping them work through some of these issues. I just really want to remain respectful to the parents and at the same time lend a listening ear to the teenagers. I guess the answer to their questions is they will have to continue to mature in their faith as they mature in age. Making an appointment with the priest is a great but you know most kids aren’t going to do that. And during confirmation classes they tend to sit and challenge the teachings more than learn from them. They are rebels. lol. It would be nice if their parents would talk and listen but most of the parents just tell them they have to participate in all the aspects of the Catholic church because it is what they are “supposed” to do since they are Catholic. Do you know any intelligent teenager who is going to accept that answer? Not hardly. It’s crazy but these kids don’t even have bibles. I gave one of them his first bible (he’s 16) last November. He reads it almost everyday… which is supposed to be encouraged during confirmation, right? (oh and he found Song of Solomon. That was fun. haha) Anyway, thanks a bunch for clearing things up for me. Blessings. 🙂
 
My first 2 were relatively young when they were confirmed. The youngest was in high school and didn’t want to be bothered. I insisted that he had to do the preparation and then if he didn’t want the sacrament it was up to him. He chose to be confirmed.

That same year I was helping prepare the 7 years olds who were preparing for confirmation & First Communion so I sat in on one of my son’s classes. What a farce. The instructor didn’t even know what sin was and she was preparing teens to be confirmed. I had to come home and tell my son that some of what he’d heard was wrong and to give him the right info. It was very disappointing.
 
Thank you all for ALL of your responses. That really does clear a lot of things up for me. And it will also help me with these kids and helping them work through some of these issues. I just really want to remain respectful to the parents and at the same time lend a listening ear to the teenagers. I guess the answer to their questions is they will have to continue to mature in their faith as they mature in age.
Yes, and this takes time. They do need to understand that they can go to their parents, their teachers, and their priests with any questions they may have. And if one person doesn’t have time, or doesn’t know how to answer them, then they should go to the next person. (Just a tip - it’s easier to get a meeting with an associate pastor than with a pastor; they have fewer “right-now” type of demands on their time.)
Making an appointment with the priest is a great but you know most kids aren’t going to do that. And during confirmation classes they tend to sit and challenge the teachings more than learn from them. They are rebels. lol.
It’s hard to learn anything when you have already decided that you know it all, already. 😉
It would be nice if their parents would talk and listen but most of the parents just tell them they have to participate in all the aspects of the Catholic church because it is what they are “supposed” to do since they are Catholic. Do you know any intelligent teenager who is going to accept that answer? Not hardly. It’s crazy but these kids don’t even have bibles.
What happened to the ones they received in Grade Four? :confused:
I gave one of them his first bible (he’s 16) last November. He reads it almost everyday… which is supposed to be encouraged during confirmation, right?
And the rest of the time, too. St. Jerome said that if we don’t know our Bibles, then we don’t know Jesus.
(oh and he found Song of Solomon. That was fun. haha)
A teen favourite - my gang likes that one, too. 🙂
Anyway, thanks a bunch for clearing things up for me. Blessings. 🙂
You are more than welcome. 🙂
 
Confirmation programs vary from parish to parish. In the one that I’m teaching right now, I’m introducing the Profession of Faith next week. We are doing the Communion of Saints this week. Our program runs until April 20th.

Other topics they’re covering include the Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit, the Seven Virtues, and the 12 Fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Just fyi, as a Catechist, I am not allowed to tell any child that she or he is not allowed to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, no matter what I think of their readiness. This isn’t some kind of laziness on my part; it is that I just absolutely do not have the authority to make that call. It is the parents’ decision alone, and if the parents want this Sacrament for their child, we are not allowed to deny it. (In theory, the Bishop could deny it, but there is no record of such a thing ever happening in our Diocese.)
You are correct as a Catechist you are not directly part of the Decision of who receives a Sacrament or not It is always the person (or child’s parent), the sponsor and Pastor. You may make your concerns known to the pastor which as a Catechist you report to in the parish.
 
That same year I was helping prepare the 7 years olds who were preparing for confirmation & First Communion so I sat in on one of my son’s classes. What a farce. The instructor didn’t even know what sin was and she was preparing teens to be confirmed. I had to come home and tell my son that some of what he’d heard was wrong and to give him the right info. It was very disappointing.

I told one of the kids they need to remember the confirmation teachers are good people who are just trying to help. But I definitely think that since Confirmation is a super important time for these kids, they need qualified teachers to instruct them in the truths of the church. Most of the time they just let the kids gib-gab and then it turns in to a time of “protestant bashing” and debating why women can’t serve as priests. lol.
 
I told one of the kids they need to remember the confirmation teachers are good people who are just trying to help. But I definitely think that since Confirmation is a super important time for these kids, they need qualified teachers to instruct them in the truths of the church.
True, or else if they don’t know, then they should stick to what is written in the teaching book rather than try to “wing it.”
Most of the time they just let the kids gib-gab and then it turns in to a time of “protestant bashing” and debating why women can’t serve as priests. lol.
That’s too bad. :rolleyes:
 
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