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John_Kearns
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The fact that your priest was at the mall in a Metallica t-shirt rather than in a Roman collar, says more about your priest than it does about Metallica.
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criffton
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Metallica and Megadeth are the more tame and thoughtful groups among thrash metal. Heavy metal does have lyrics that can effect people for the worse, they generally rely on more brute realism then any other genre of music. For the most part the vocals come in as another instrument, adding to the sound of the music, much like a jazz musician scatting, so the content doesn’t matter as much, so many groups have lyrics that are mostly gibberish. And while groups like Slayer may be more extreme, it is most important to evaluate what any musical group is saying, and then listen to the music with that awareness< I agree with several Metallica songs, and disagree with many groups of the CCM world. If you are curious I do listen to some Slayer (the intro riff to Raining Blood is my favorite riff), but mostly listen to stuff more extreme than slayer. It is very important that if the music affects you negatively, don’t listen to it. So I will listen to Arch Enemy, Death, Atheist, and more; but I refuse to listen to the groups that are blasphemous, i.e. Headhunter AD, Immolation. And if your son is still interested in that type of music and you still disagree, some good Christian bands of the Thrash world are
Illuminandi
America Gomorrah
Tourniquet
old Living Sacrifice
the latest Megadeth album, Mustain has converted to Christianity
Mortification
Theocracy
Place of Skulls
if anyone has any questions about other genres of the heavy metals (Death, Black, and Doom) feel free to ask. Also, just because someone likes heavy metal, doesn’t mean they are violent and aggressive, many of my metal-head friends are much nicer and respectful than those following other genres.
Illuminandi
America Gomorrah
Tourniquet
old Living Sacrifice
the latest Megadeth album, Mustain has converted to Christianity
Mortification
Theocracy
Place of Skulls
if anyone has any questions about other genres of the heavy metals (Death, Black, and Doom) feel free to ask. Also, just because someone likes heavy metal, doesn’t mean they are violent and aggressive, many of my metal-head friends are much nicer and respectful than those following other genres.
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lak611
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I have been a fan of Metallica since high school, and I am 37 now. Their lyrics are intelligent, and one of their songs “Creeping Death” on their album Ride the Lightning is actually based on the story of the plagues from the book of Exodus. James Hetfield, the singer, actually was raised in a Pentacostal family. As far as I know, he doesn’t practice any religion now, but his lyrics are edgy and smart. He has songs that are anti-war as well. Here’s the lyrics from “Creeping Death”: Slaves
Hebrews born to serve, to the pharaoh
Heed
To his every word, live in fear
Faith
Of the unknown one, the deliverer
Wait
Something must be done, four hundred years
So let it be written
So let it be done
I’m sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh son
I’m creeping death
Now
Let my people go, land of goshen
Go
I will be with thee, bush of fire
Blood
Running red and strong, down the nile
Plague
Darkness three days long, hail to fire
So let it be written
So let it be done
I’m sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh son
I’m creeping death
Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first born man
Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first born man
I
Rule the midnight air the destroyer
Born
I shall soon be there, deadly mass
I
Creep the steps and flood final darkness
Blood
Lambs blood painted door, I shall pass
So let it be written
So let it be done
I’m sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh son
I’m creeping death
Hebrews born to serve, to the pharaoh
Heed
To his every word, live in fear
Faith
Of the unknown one, the deliverer
Wait
Something must be done, four hundred years
So let it be written
So let it be done
I’m sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh son
I’m creeping death
Now
Let my people go, land of goshen
Go
I will be with thee, bush of fire
Blood
Running red and strong, down the nile
Plague
Darkness three days long, hail to fire
So let it be written
So let it be done
I’m sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh son
I’m creeping death
Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first born man
Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first born man
I
Rule the midnight air the destroyer
Born
I shall soon be there, deadly mass
I
Creep the steps and flood final darkness
Blood
Lambs blood painted door, I shall pass
So let it be written
So let it be done
I’m sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh son
I’m creeping death
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lak611
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Another really good and intelligent Metallica song is “Disposable Heroes”. Here are the lyrics: Bodies fill the fields I see, hungry heroes end
No one to play soldier now, no one to pretend
running blind through killing fields, bred to kill them all
Victim of what said should be
a servant `til I fall
[Chorus:]
Soldier boy, made of clay
now an empty shell
twenty one, only son
but he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
just do as we say
finished here, Greeting Death
he’s yours to take away
Back to the front
you will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
you will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
you coward
you servant
you blindman
[End Chorus]
Barking of machinegun fire, does nothing to me now
sounding of the clock that ticks, get used to it somehow
More a man, more stripes you bare, glory seeker trends
bodies fill the fields I see
the slaughter never ends
[Chorus]
Why, Am I dying?
Kill, have no fear
Lie, live off lying
Hell, Hell is here
I was born for dying
Life planned out before my birth, nothing could I say
had no chance to see myself, molded day by day
Looking back I realize, nothing have I done
left to die with only friend
Alone I clench my gun
[Chorus]
Back to the front.
No one to play soldier now, no one to pretend
running blind through killing fields, bred to kill them all
Victim of what said should be
a servant `til I fall
[Chorus:]
Soldier boy, made of clay
now an empty shell
twenty one, only son
but he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
just do as we say
finished here, Greeting Death
he’s yours to take away
Back to the front
you will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
you will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
you coward
you servant
you blindman
[End Chorus]
Barking of machinegun fire, does nothing to me now
sounding of the clock that ticks, get used to it somehow
More a man, more stripes you bare, glory seeker trends
bodies fill the fields I see
the slaughter never ends
[Chorus]
Why, Am I dying?
Kill, have no fear
Lie, live off lying
Hell, Hell is here
I was born for dying
Life planned out before my birth, nothing could I say
had no chance to see myself, molded day by day
Looking back I realize, nothing have I done
left to die with only friend
Alone I clench my gun
[Chorus]
Back to the front.
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nkelly
Guest
Dear Criffton,
as as Christian, how can you possibly justify listening to the filth and utter evil that Slayer write. It’s completely satanic!
I used to be a slayer fan so I know what I’m talking about. One night, a couple of years back, I put all my heavy metal LPs in a pile and smashed them with an axe. It was one of the best things I ever did! I’m pleading with you, please abandon this music and beg God for gorgiveness. This “music” in nothing but a channel for demonic forces. How could this possibly please God!?
Would you like to comment on these Slayer lyrics please:
You will be saved at any cost
You have your own reality
Christianity
You spend your life just kissing ***
A trait that’s grown as time has passed
You think the world will end today
You praise the Lord, it’s all you say
Jesus saves, listen to you pray
You think you’ll see the pearly gates
When death takes you away
For all respect you cannot lust
In an invisible man you place your trust
Indirect dependency
Eternal attempt at amnesty
He will decide who lives and dies
Depopulate Satan’s rise
You will be an accessory
Irreverence and blasphemy
Jesus saves, no need to pray
The gates of pearl have turned to gold
It seems you’ve lost your way
Jesus saves, no words of praise
No promised land to take you to
There is no other way
In God I distrust
In time His monuments will fall
Like ashes to dust
Is war and greed the masters plan?
The bible’s where it all began
Its propaganda sells despair
And spreads the virus everywhere
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion’s obscure
Religion’s a whore
The pestilence is Jesus Christ
There never was a sacrifice
No man upon the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I’ve made my choice. Six six six
Corruption breeds the pedohile
Don’t pray for the priest
Confession finds the lonely child
God preys on the weak
You think your soul can still be saved
I think you’re f***ing miles away
Scream out loud here’s where you begin
Forgive me father for I have sinned
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion’s obscure
Religion’s a whore
The target’s F***ing Jesus Christ
I would’ve lead the sacrifice
And nailed him to the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I’ve made my choice. Six six six
Jesus is pain
Jesus is gore
Jesus is the blood
That’s spilled in war
He’s everything
He’s all things dead
He’s pulling on the trigger
Pointed at your head
Through fear you’re sold into the fraud
Revelation revolution
I see through your Christ Illusion
The war on terror just drags along
My war with God is growing strong
His propaganda sells despair
And spreads the violence everywhere
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion’s obscure
Religion’s a whore
There is no f***in’ Jesus Christ
There never was a sacrifice
No man upon the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious inbecility
I’ve made my choice. Six six six
God bless you.
Noel.
as as Christian, how can you possibly justify listening to the filth and utter evil that Slayer write. It’s completely satanic!
I used to be a slayer fan so I know what I’m talking about. One night, a couple of years back, I put all my heavy metal LPs in a pile and smashed them with an axe. It was one of the best things I ever did! I’m pleading with you, please abandon this music and beg God for gorgiveness. This “music” in nothing but a channel for demonic forces. How could this possibly please God!?
Would you like to comment on these Slayer lyrics please:
Jesus Saves
You go to the church, you kiss the crossYou will be saved at any cost
You have your own reality
Christianity
You spend your life just kissing ***
A trait that’s grown as time has passed
You think the world will end today
You praise the Lord, it’s all you say
Jesus saves, listen to you pray
You think you’ll see the pearly gates
When death takes you away
For all respect you cannot lust
In an invisible man you place your trust
Indirect dependency
Eternal attempt at amnesty
He will decide who lives and dies
Depopulate Satan’s rise
You will be an accessory
Irreverence and blasphemy
Jesus saves, no need to pray
The gates of pearl have turned to gold
It seems you’ve lost your way
Jesus saves, no words of praise
No promised land to take you to
There is no other way
Cult
Oppression is the holy lawIn God I distrust
In time His monuments will fall
Like ashes to dust
Is war and greed the masters plan?
The bible’s where it all began
Its propaganda sells despair
And spreads the virus everywhere
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion’s obscure
Religion’s a whore
The pestilence is Jesus Christ
There never was a sacrifice
No man upon the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I’ve made my choice. Six six six
Corruption breeds the pedohile
Don’t pray for the priest
Confession finds the lonely child
God preys on the weak
You think your soul can still be saved
I think you’re f***ing miles away
Scream out loud here’s where you begin
Forgive me father for I have sinned
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion’s obscure
Religion’s a whore
The target’s F***ing Jesus Christ
I would’ve lead the sacrifice
And nailed him to the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I’ve made my choice. Six six six
Jesus is pain
Jesus is gore
Jesus is the blood
That’s spilled in war
He’s everything
He’s all things dead
He’s pulling on the trigger
Pointed at your head
Through fear you’re sold into the fraud
Revelation revolution
I see through your Christ Illusion
The war on terror just drags along
My war with God is growing strong
His propaganda sells despair
And spreads the violence everywhere
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion’s obscure
Religion’s a whore
There is no f***in’ Jesus Christ
There never was a sacrifice
No man upon the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious inbecility
I’ve made my choice. Six six six
God bless you.
Noel.
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criffton
Guest
I think that they are wrong, but I still think that Kerry has a very fast picking hand. i said above that I may not agree with the lyrics, but once I recognize that I can filter it out, and if I strongly disagree with a song, I won’t listen to it, so i don’t listen to the two you listed, in fact, the only Slayer song I like is Raining Blood, which isn’t really nasty.
What I think is more insidious is when people don’t listen actively and on guard, but just let the music seep in, there are many country, rock and regular rock groups that have messages just as anti-Christian, but instead of singing negatively about Christianity, they sing positively about anti-Christian things. Also, music effects people differently, so what may be a problem for some isn’t a problem for others, so if the music affected you, it is best you distanced yourself from it, if a group affects me in a negative way, I won’t listen to them.
I also really like soft Celtic music and Gregorian chant, and my favorite metal groups are Christian, so I am not the obsessed metalhead that lives or dies off of lyric sheets and interveiws.
What I think is more insidious is when people don’t listen actively and on guard, but just let the music seep in, there are many country, rock and regular rock groups that have messages just as anti-Christian, but instead of singing negatively about Christianity, they sing positively about anti-Christian things. Also, music effects people differently, so what may be a problem for some isn’t a problem for others, so if the music affected you, it is best you distanced yourself from it, if a group affects me in a negative way, I won’t listen to them.
I also really like soft Celtic music and Gregorian chant, and my favorite metal groups are Christian, so I am not the obsessed metalhead that lives or dies off of lyric sheets and interveiws.
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lak611
Guest
I don’t like Slayer, but I do like Metallica. I don’t think their lyrics are as questionable. The questionable lyrics in Metallica songs tend to be covers that they did, not original music/lyrics they wrote.
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nkelly
Guest
His fast picking hand won’t save his soul!
Why have anything to do with a band who blaspheme against God and encourage people to hate Jesus and Christianity and worship the devil?? Hail satan?? I don’t think so!!!
Apart from that, don’t you find the words of death/doom metal depressing and destructive? It destroy the dignity of the human person.
God bless
Noel.
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criffton
Guest
If a song is Satanic in content, I won’t listen to it. There are some songs that may sound like, like Arch Enemy’s song Satanic Science, but in that song, they are actually talking about cloning.
Actually, I find most of the death metal lyrics are tounge-in-cheek jokes, at least I think they are. And I like doom for kinda that solemnness, something that isn’t seen much today. Altogether though, lyrics don’t affect me that much because i don’t listen to them, even with other genres that are more lyricsly centered, it is hard for me to make out what they are saying. The only lyrics I know well are the ones to the songs I really like. And most of those i find inspiring, stuff off of Death’s last three albums, and stuff by Christian Heavy Metal bands, some of which have some of the best and deepest lyrics in Christian music.
Also, i would like to get together a Catholic based band that would draw elements from Progressive death, Dirge Doom, and celtic folk
Actually, I find most of the death metal lyrics are tounge-in-cheek jokes, at least I think they are. And I like doom for kinda that solemnness, something that isn’t seen much today. Altogether though, lyrics don’t affect me that much because i don’t listen to them, even with other genres that are more lyricsly centered, it is hard for me to make out what they are saying. The only lyrics I know well are the ones to the songs I really like. And most of those i find inspiring, stuff off of Death’s last three albums, and stuff by Christian Heavy Metal bands, some of which have some of the best and deepest lyrics in Christian music.
Also, i would like to get together a Catholic based band that would draw elements from Progressive death, Dirge Doom, and celtic folk
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McKevin
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This thread was good reading and timely. I had a musically gifted 15 year old from the parish cut my grass for me this year. He has a good spirit and he really follows Christ, but he goes to heavy metal concerts - Aerosmith & Motley Crue, Hinder…at first I cringed a little when I learned this.
However, ironically enough, before I even knew this I had shared some Bible verses with him and offered him bonuses to memorize them. We started with 1 Thessalonians 5:21 which says “Test everything. Retain what is good.” One of the examples I used in applying this scripture was music. Music is no different then life in general. There is good and bad everywhere. As Christians we need to be able to differentiate the good from the bad and hold on to the good. As adults, we should make an effort to feed those who listen to us with good stuff to counteract the bad things that they encounter in music, in school, in books, on TV, at the movies, and on and on and on.
The other Bible verses that this young “journey friend” memorized are good, too. Look them up!
1 Thess. 5:17, Romans 8:28, 1st Timothy 4:12, and Philippians 3:20.
1st Timothy 4:12 is especially powerful:
Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity.
I hope this helps!
However, ironically enough, before I even knew this I had shared some Bible verses with him and offered him bonuses to memorize them. We started with 1 Thessalonians 5:21 which says “Test everything. Retain what is good.” One of the examples I used in applying this scripture was music. Music is no different then life in general. There is good and bad everywhere. As Christians we need to be able to differentiate the good from the bad and hold on to the good. As adults, we should make an effort to feed those who listen to us with good stuff to counteract the bad things that they encounter in music, in school, in books, on TV, at the movies, and on and on and on.
The other Bible verses that this young “journey friend” memorized are good, too. Look them up!
1 Thess. 5:17, Romans 8:28, 1st Timothy 4:12, and Philippians 3:20.
1st Timothy 4:12 is especially powerful:
Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity.
I hope this helps!
PS: At the end of the year he was able to quote all 5 verses to me on the spot and we had some good discussions on them! It turned out to be a great experience for me too.
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