Questioning Patriotism

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It’s been interesting to see various bbloggers talking about the issue of honesty to the historical record.

I must say this is refreshing. For the longest time I was one of the few people in the blogosphere willing to openly call some people unpatriotic. I heard the “don’t question my patriotism” line at least hundreds of times more often than I ever saw anyone question someone’s patriotism, but I admit to doing it–and unapologetically so. I’ve also explained, hundreds of times, what constitutes unpatriotic dissent from patriotic dissent.

Culled from comments I’ve made in the past, here’s a handy list you might find useful:

You might be unpatriotic if:

deanesmay.com/posts/1131804246.shtml
 
Good post.

I have come across some folks on this forum described on the ‘list’.
 
after reading the list of what makes one unpatriotic…I have to say Oh well, I guess I am unpatriotic.
 
I believe that articule hit the nail on the head. If people would have said things such as these about our president and the troops during WW2, I would shudder to think what would have happened to them. But this is the “enlightened” age, so just about anything is ok.
 
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Karin:
after reading the list of what makes one unpatriotic…I have to say Oh well, I guess I am unpatriotic.
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Related thread and he goes into much more analysis. I would recommend reading the entire article linked to in the post.

Considering dissent and limited war II
 
I found this one the most revealing…

#7) When America has an enemy that slaughters our people, your first and foremost reaction is “we must have really offended them–we should figure out why so they won’t be mad at us anymore.”

So we are in Iraq because the Iraqis attacked us on 9/11? Thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians have died because they “have slaughtered our people”???

I think that people like the blogger who is the subject of this article really see no distinction between the innocent and the guilty in this war. Iraqi civilians? Did they attack us on 9/11? What’s the difference? They’re all guilty anyway. If they get in America’s way, hey, that’s war.
 
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gnjsdad:
I found this one the most revealing…

#7) When America has an enemy that slaughters our people, your first and foremost reaction is “we must have really offended them–we should figure out why so they won’t be mad at us anymore.”

So we are in Iraq because the Iraqis attacked us on 9/11? Thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians have died because they “have slaughtered our people”???.
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I am pretty sure he was talking about al-Qaeda I would refer you also to: Considering dissent and limited war II and to the entire article linked to in the post.
 
MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG. That Idea died in Viet Nam ! Remember " the axis of evil " North Korea,Iran & Iraq strange that the weakest,Iraq was the biggest threat to us.
The Iraq war was a war of choice,not necessity.
The President picked the time for the war to start.He sent not enough troops there with not enough equiment, no body armour and no armour on the HUmvees.Also with no plan for after the Iraqi’s lost. It wold be unpatriotic not to criticise the lousy way this war is being run !
 
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JOHNYJ:
MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG. That Idea died in Viet Nam ! Remember " the axis of evil " North Korea,Iran & Iraq strange that the weakest,Iraq was the biggest threat to us.
The Iraq war was a war of choice,not necessity.
The President picked the time for the war to start.He sent not enough troops there with not enough equiment, no body armour and no armour on the HUmvees.Also with no plan for after the Iraqi’s lost. It wold be unpatriotic not to criticise the lousy way this war is being run !
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Have you signed up to help win the war or is complaining after the fact, for the sake of complaining, really helping? If you are yelling to help the troops, great, but if you are yelling to press some other agenda of your own…

By the way, do you know the history of warfare? Can you cite one major war where there was the right amount and kinds of equipment over time? One of the easiest jobs on earth is one of arm chair general.

I don’t mean to get you on the defensive. But it is so easy to complain and in so doing hurt the soldier who is fighting for you.
 
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gilliam:
It’s been interesting to see various bbloggers talking about the issue of honesty to the historical record.

I must say this is refreshing. For the longest time I was one of the few people in the blogosphere willing to openly call some people unpatriotic. I heard the “don’t question my patriotism” line at least hundreds of times more often than I ever saw anyone question someone’s patriotism, but I admit to doing it–and unapologetically so. I’ve also explained, hundreds of times, what constitutes unpatriotic dissent from patriotic dissent.

Culled from comments I’ve made in the past, here’s a handy list you might find useful:

You might be unpatriotic if:

deanesmay.com/posts/1131804246.shtml
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Either that or seriously unenlightened. These people do nothing for American unity, they are hate-filled and divisive. In fact, the guy who is the webmaster is most likely a member of KKK, or another of those strange survivalists who live in the woods, teach their kids to hate and yet swear that they’re patriots…they may be, but certainly not of the US or of the Constitution.
 
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JOHNYJ:
MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG. That Idea died in Viet Nam ! Remember " the axis of evil " North Korea,Iran & Iraq strange that the weakest,Iraq was the biggest threat to us.
The Iraq war was a war of choice,not necessity.
The President picked the time for the war to start.He sent not enough troops there with not enough equiment, no body armour and no armour on the HUmvees.Also with no plan for after the Iraqi’s lost. It wold be unpatriotic not to criticise the lousy way this war is being run !
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Everything you say is a fact, but there are those who will shout you down with their intemperate voices. Since many of the parents had to buy protective armour for their kids I’ve decided to send money thru www.anysoldier.com to make sure that the soldiers I link up with at least get that.
 
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gilliam:
Have you signed up to help win the war or is complaining after the fact, for the sake of complaining, really helping? If you are yelling to help the troops, great, but if you are yelling to press some other agenda of your own…

By the way, do you know the history of warfare? Can you cite one major war where there was the right amount and kinds of equipment over time? One of the easiest jobs on earth is one of arm chair general.

I don’t mean to get you on the defensive. But it is so easy to complain and in so doing hurt the soldier who is fighting for you.
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If he’s yelling to press some other agenda, as the blogger you quoted is, that’s still great because it’s still protected speech under the US Constitution, which our military has sworn to protect and defend. That is, I assume that the blogger is American, perhaps not. He could be a plant from one of those countries that still have Nazis.
 
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davy39:
I believe that articule hit the nail on the head. If people would have said things such as these about our president and the troops during WW2, I would shudder to think what would have happened to them. But this is the “enlightened” age, so just about anything is ok.
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Different war, different reaction. You may be too young to know this but Japan attacked America on our own space.
 
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Karin:
after reading the list of what makes one unpatriotic…I have to say Oh well, I guess I am unpatriotic.
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Maybe in the eyes of the blogger, in the eyes of a True American you are actually what makes America great.
 
Wondering Waif:
Different war, different reaction. You may be too young to know this but Japan attacked America on our own space.
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You may be too old to know this, but the world has changed. Those who attacked us this time are not affiliated with any country, but they are supported by some. Saddam Hussein fully supported their actions, while not directly behind them. Our administration made it clear that we were going after terrorists and the governments that support them.
 
Wondering Waif:
If he’s yelling to press some other agenda, as the blogger you quoted is, that’s still great because it’s still protected speech under the US Constitution, which our military has sworn to protect and defend. That is, I assume that the blogger is American, perhaps not. He could be a plant from one of those countries that still have Nazis.
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No one is saying it sin’t protected speech and no one is saying that my son and his buddies aren’t going into harms way to protect that speech for you. The article here is not in very much depth. A lot more indepth discussion of this at the article pointed to on this thread:
Considering dissent and limited war II
 
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rlg94086:
You may be too old to know this, but the world has changed. Those who attacked us this time are not affiliated with any country, but they are supported by some. Saddam Hussein fully supported their actions, while not directly behind them. Our administration made it clear that we were going after terrorists and the governments that support them.
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Keep saying the following:
Iraq did not attack on 911…say it until you understand that all folks in the Mid East are not the same guy!
 
Wondering Waif:
Keep saying the following:
Iraq did not attack on 911…say it until you understand that all folks in the Mid East are not the same guy!
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I didn’t say Iraq attacked us…please reread my post.

The Congress voted in agreement with our President, when he asked to use force against Iraq. He was very clear that Iraq didn’t attack us in his appeal.
 
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