Questions about Bible self interpretting

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I see that it is no use arguing with the common day Catholic. You rely on your own righteousness to get you into Heaven. You believe your deeds surpass the deeds credited to you when you receive Christ’s righteousness by faith. Paul calls it a false gospel that isn’t a gospel at all. That was his whole letter to the Eph.

I know now my blunt statement will get deleted as well as my account, but the word of God will never see decay! It is clear faith alone saves without any effort of man, everything else derives from faith including works. I hope God will bless you and you will except the gospel and also have a place in eternity. Until then you are damned to the eternal flames of Hell.

Sola gratia, sola Christo, sola fide, and sola Scriptura equals Soli Deo Gloria!

By grace alone through Christ alone by faith alone, and also Scripture alone as authority will equal all the Glory to Him alone! God fulfils His purpose for the vessels of mercy and the vessels of destruction without fail. May you be a vessel of mercy and except His sacrifice on the cross and through faith alone be saved.

God bless you all.
 
YuRa,did you paste this dramatic post on every thread?You are being rediculous.Also you are not supposed to damn people to hell:tsktsk: I can not believe you put this on another thread:mad: But I will tell you what,I will pray for you and I will ask the other posters pray for you as well,because it is obvious you do not know how serious your condemnation is and apparently do not realise the hate that is in your heart.God Bless
 
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YuRa:
… Until then you are damned to the eternal flames of Hell.
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Wasn’t is Christ who stated “and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” ?

We’ll pray for you YuRa,

CARose
 
Yu, sorry to do this to you but the scales must be lifted off your eyes:
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YuRa:
I see that it is no use arguing with the common day Catholic.
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So, you prefer arguing with only the ignorant Catholics who do not know the true Church teachings and are gullible to lies? What is a ‘common day’ Catholic? One that knows the true Church teachings? Is Gods word open for debate? We discuss, why do you argue?
You rely on your own righteousness to get you into Heaven.
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I can see you have no idea what Catholics believe or you would never have said this. Stay on this forum and we’ll fix your ignorance.
You believe your deeds surpass the deeds credited to you when you receive Christ’s righteousness by faith.
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Sorry, this makes no sense at all. Our Faith is like a spring and our works (deeds/doings for you KJV guys) is the water flowing out of it. Without Faith there are no works. Our works/deeds/doings flow out because we have Faith. Faith without works is dead. Works without Faith is not Catholic.
…I know now my blunt statement will get deleted as well as my account,
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Wrong again!
but the word of God will never see decay!
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His word won’t but His Bible has. Have you seen all the versions out there that contradict each other? Anybody with ink can print a Bible now and change whatever they want to. Thank you Luther, Calvin, King James, Joseph Smith, etc… There are Bibles out there with 32 books all the way up to 81 books.
It is clear faith alone saves
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Wrong again. Did it save the fallen angels who KNEW God? Satan? Judas? Faith is a gift for the living on earth, a gift left behind when we go to heaven. Only Love is eternal. Where did Jesus say all we need is faith alone and we could ignore all He said and believe and do anything we want? Jesus never said to be of one mind, one body or to obey God did He? Jesus said we should schism every time the wind changes didn’t He?
without any effort of man, everything else derives from faith including works.
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Hey, you got this one right! Unless of course I miss-self interpreted what you wrote like so many do to Scripture everyday.
I hope God will bless you and you will except the gospel and also have a place in eternity.
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I think you mean ACCEPT? If so then we all hope God will bless all. By the way, His Gospel is His ‘verbal’ word. The Bible is just a written record.
Until then you are damned to the eternal flames of Hell.
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I can see you are protestant and do not need Jesus at all. You have the power to save yourself with faith alone before Jesus judges you. You also do not need Jesus to judge us since you have seen fit to do it yourself. You must be a Mormon since you are a god and can judge us? Who died and made you God to sit in judgment? Hum? I guess that’s in your Bible? Its not in mine, only Jesus can judge me. I don’t need faith in Jesus I need faith alone in YuRa! Long Live YuRa!
Sola gratia, sola Christo, sola fide, and sola Scriptura equals Soli Deo Gloria!
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Quick, I need more morphine! Ahhh, that’s better now. I’m glad you like Catholic Latin too! It must stem from your Catholic roots!
By grace alone through Christ alone by faith alone,
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Grace from God alone gives us salvation. Judgment AFTER we die by Jesus allows us Gods grace.
and also Scripture alone as authority will equal all the Glory to Him alone!
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So, a Jehovah Witness, Mormon or AKJV Bible is equal to God? Were does Jesus say to write a Bible, or to read a Bible or give homosexual kings the right to edit/write a Bible? A book equals the glory of God? The Bible itself states it is incomplete! The Bible itself states that the Church is the pillar of truth and to follow the authority of His Church. I don’t worship a book like a graven image as you appear to? I adore God and God alone!
God fulfils His purpose for the vessels of mercy and the vessels of destruction without fail. May you be a vessel of mercy and except His sacrifice on the cross and through faith alone be saved.
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(accept? sp?) Catholics accept His sacrifice in every mass with His Body and Blood. (see St. John 6:53-58 if it’s still in your bible?) We use a crucifix to remember His sacrifice. To remember the moment in time when He died to forgive our sins. Why do protestants avoid a crucifix? We’ve already proven faith alone a big hoax by Satan. A man made tradition by Luther.
God bless you all.
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So which is it? Did you judge us all to hell? Do you want God to ‘save’ us Catholics too? Save the EX-Catholics only? You’re confusing me by straddling both sides of the issue? Can and have you already judged us or are you now going to let Jesus do it? Now you Bless us or condemn us?

God Bless
 
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YuRa:
I see that it is no use arguing with the common day Catholic. You rely on your own righteousness to get you into Heaven. You believe your deeds surpass the deeds credited to you when you receive Christ’s righteousness by faith.
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This is false. Catholics do not believe this. Please, do a little homework and understand the real beliefs of Catholics before comming in here and making false accusations.

May the Holy Spirit open your eyes.
 
Yes, that is why we defer to those who received both the Scripture and Holy Tradition from the Lord.

To me it is like a continuation of the authority that was given to the Sanhedrin, but was taken away from the Pharisees and Sadducees because they were busy thinking of self instead of those they were supposed to shepherd. This is borne out by the Prophets when they speak of the shepherds abandoning their sheep, and by Jesus who said: “I am the Good Shepherd, I know my sheep and my sheep know me.”

Maggie
 
The Bible makes use of a typological vocabulary, that may be deduced from context.

For example, fire always equals “a special presence of God.” Jars and pots and such always equal “mortal man.” Large bodies of water and briney water always equal “the sea of damnable souls.” Grain equals “the Eucharist.” Wine equals “the Eucharistic blood” or “the saving blood of Christ.” Doors and gates equal “Christ.” Dirty feet equal “sin.” The list goes on. The numbers have significance. Two = “the Church.” Three = “the will of God.” Four = “everyone.” Five = “Christ.” Six = “evil.” Seven = “perfect” or “complete” or “perfectly” or “completely” or such. Eight = “saved.” Nine = “unsaved.” Ten = “very much.” And so on.

The Bible was written to make these deducible from the text.
 
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BibleReader:
The Bible makes use of a typological vocabulary, that may be deduced from context.

For example, fire always equals “a special presence of God.” Jars and pots and such always equal “mortal man.” Large bodies of water and briney water always equal “the sea of damnable souls.” Grain equals “the Eucharist.” Wine equals “the Eucharistic blood” or “the saving blood of Christ.” Doors and gates equal “Christ.” Dirty feet equal “sin.” The list goes on. The numbers have significance. Two = “the Church.” Three = “the will of God.” Four = “everyone.” Five = “Christ.” Six = “evil.” Seven = “perfect” or “complete” or “perfectly” or “completely” or such. Eight = “saved.” Nine = “unsaved.” Ten = “very much.” And so on.

The Bible was written to make these deducible from the text.
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I do not agree that all of these things are deducible from the text. For example, how did you come to know that seven is a perfect number?

Also, I question whether 3 is seen as the Will of God. In the Scripture there is significance in three, for example, when Jesus confirmed Peter as the head of the apostles, Jesus asked Peter a question: Simon, do you love me? And Simon had to answer this question three times. A Jewish woman explained to me the significance of asking the question three times, and before that explanation I had not even thought about how things are repeated three times. To give another example, when we speak about the holiness of the Lord, it is written about the prayer of the angels: “Holy, Holy Holy Lord, God of power and might, heaven and earth are full of your glory, hosannah in the highest.” Note that in the Scripture Holy is written three times. It is just as likely that this three represents Trinity (but that is wild speculation).

Maggie
 
Hi, MaggieOH.

I do not agree that all of these things are deducible from the text. For example, how did you come to know that seven is a perfect number?

As I suggested to JLove in another thread, merely determine if the interp works, in context. You do this with a concordance, and exhaustively reviewing every single verse in which one finds an expression of the type. One can either use “cryptographic logic,” and so “back into” an interp; or one can look for what I refer to as an “Index Verse,” and see if the suggestion of the Index Verse works in other Biblical contexts, to verify.
*Ephesian 6:17 is a model Index Verse. It says, “Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit, the word of God.” So, “Sword” = “word of God.” So, when Peter applies his “sword” to the ear * of Malchus, it’s not a coincidence. That is a picture of the first pope teaching the word. The ear falls off because the teaching is poorly received. When Christ repairs the ear, that is a picture of the receptive grace of infallibility, discussed in Hardon’s Catechism.

Re 7, I don’t know whether 7 is a “perfect” number. That sounds like numerology to me. However, in Bible typology, “seven” anything means “complete” or “completed” or “perfect” or “perfected” in the completed sense.

Let’s try it.

Genesis 2:1-2 is the Index Verse for 7…"1 Thus the heavens and the earth and all their array were completed.
2 Since on the seventh day God was finished with the work he had been doing, he rested on the seventh day from all the work he had undertaken."
**Now, guess in which month the ark’s voyage was “perfected” or “completed.” Yep. "****4 **that, in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat." Genesis 8:4.

Now, guess in which year a slave’s indenture had to be regarded as “perfected” or “completed.” Yep. “2 When you purchase a Hebrew slave, he is to serve you for six years, but in the seventh year he shall be given his freedom without cost.” Exodus 21:2.

Do you see what is happening? It always works.

Also, I question whether 3 is seen as the Will of God. In the Scripture there is significance in three, for example, when Jesus confirmed Peter as the head of the apostles, Jesus asked Peter a question: Simon, do you love me? And Simon had to answer this question three times. A Jewish woman explained to me the significance of asking the question three times, and before that explanation I had not even thought about how things are repeated three times. To give another example, when we speak about the holiness of the Lord, it is written about the prayer of the angels: “Holy, Holy Holy Lord, God of power and might, heaven and earth are full of your glory, hosannah in the highest.” Note that in the Scripture Holy is written three times. It is just as likely that this three represents Trinity (but that is wild speculation).

Maggie

Rather than guess like that, concordize the number 3, and look for an Index Verse, or see if “will of God” fits every single Bible context.

**Here is my choice for a good Index Verse: It’s actually a few verses, Exodus 19:1, 16-17, 20:1: Guess when Moses received the *commandments – *the ultimate form of the will of God – from God. Yep. On the third day of the third month: "1 In the third month after their departure from the land of Egypt, on its first day, the Israelites came to the desert of Sinai…16 On the morning of the third day there were peals of thunder and lightning, and a heavy cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled. 17 But Moses led the people out of the camp to meet God, and they stationed themselves at the foot of the mountain…1 Then God delivered all these commandments… "

The system works.
 
I don’t like the response I gave because I did it w/o thinking that the Bible shouldn’t be used for self-interpretation. That’s one of the major criticisms I have towards Protestantism. Even the Bible supports this, just read 2 Peter 1:20-21.

Don
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dbarrie_rcia05:
I don’t like the response to that poll.:o Guess I still have a lot to learn.

Don
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While the Bible has within itself and its own logic how to interpret the Bible’s typological symbols, between our perceiving brains on the one hand and Truth on the other is Original Sin. So, I don’t believe in sola scriptura. With sola scriptura, the Bible is an island surrounded by and isolated by a sea of Original Sin.
 
First let me say, I haven’t read every reply so if this has already been covered forgive me.

Of course the Bible is self interpetting. That is why there are so meany churches each teaching something a different. Each using the bilbe as their authority. Of course.
 
I agree.

Don
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BibleReader:
While the Bible has within itself and its own logic how to interpret the Bible’s typological symbols, between our perceiving brains on the one hand and Truth on the other is Original Sin. So, I don’t believe in sola scriptura. With sola scriptura, the Bible is an island surrounded by and isolated by a sea of Original Sin.
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Yes, I believe it was. Jesus himself told Peter that he would deny him “three times” (read Matt. 26:75 & Mark 14:72).

Don
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TobyLue:
I’m just curious re:
Was it “the will of God” that Peter deny Jesus three times?
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God Bless.
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Peace be with you Biblereader,

I’m impressed with this system you’ve presented. Where can I learn more about this?

Peace.
 
I don’t know if this relates to this thread but I often get Protestants who claim there is no need to prove sola scriptura from the Bible because the Bible is self-authenticating.
 
The original post and question are a bit vague. I don’t quite know the poster’s agenda here.

Even the best scholar can only guess what the original writer(s)’ intentions were. Those who think they do know those intentions are largely confined to what the book says, in the first place.

Our Church says that God is the author and we know that we do not know the mind of God. And, the human writer, too, might possibly have only a glimmer of an idea of what God’s intentions were in inspiring those writings. There’s no reason to believe that the original writer HAD to know what everyone for centuries afterward would think about that particular writing.

The question puts too much emphasis on the “intentions” of the human author. I think we should always be concerned with what God is saying to us in Scripture.

so says Scripture itself. Look at the book of Job starting in Chapter 38:14
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 Hearken to this, O Job! 
 Stand and consider the wondrous works of God!
and particularly verses 23-24

The Almighty! we cannot discover him,
pre-eminent in power and judgment;
his great justice owes no one an accounting.
Therefore men revere him,
though none can see him, however wise their hearts

And there are similar passages in the NT reminding us that we are mortals and cannot comprehend everything about God.
 
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