Questions about Bible self interpretting

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Lisa4Catholics:
I am gald you started this thread I am going to thoroughly enjoy where this goes:D I am waiting on a poster from the father thread to reply:whistle: God bless
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So is the scripture inspired by God or not? The scripture says of itself that it is if you want me to tell where I will.Let me know.
 
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Rogpodge:
So is the scripture inspired by God or not? The scripture says of itself that it is if you want me to tell where I will.Let me know.
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Hi Rog,

No one is questioning the Divine source of scripture. The issue is, as Paul says, that it can be misunderstood. Therefore, the question.

Let us go in peace to love and serve the Lord.
 
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MaggieOH:
Look up in the sky. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Is it Superman? No, it is the KJV in English being dropped upon us
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Hey guys, it’s my first post here! (yay)

Anyway, this is funny… me and my friend were talking about this the other day. I like your quote, though… mind if I use it for my sig? 😃
 
Church Militant:
Okay,
If one reads a book that someone else wrote and one has questions about what parts of that book mean, what would you do?

A) Go to the book and expect it to explain itself?

or…

B) Go to the guy who wrote it and ask him what it means?

Now…who wrote the New Testament?
Then who would know what it means?

Which came first, the NT or the Church?
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The NT was god breathed.
Go to the Spirit of Truth and ask Him.
He will lead you to all truth
 
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Xavier:
The NT was god breathed.
Go to the Spirit of Truth and ask Him.
He will lead you to all truth
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So…Who do I trust for an interpretation of the scriptures?
Xavier? Or…Ignatius of Antioch, who hung out w/ St. John?

The guys with the keys to the kingdom of heaven…or some guys who tell me that I can trust their system of interpretation and yet give me doctrines that none of the guys that the early church writers agree with? Is this a trick question?

To paraphrase a verse form the NT…“Jesus I know, and the Holy Spirit I know, but who are you?”
Pax vobiscum,
 
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Xavier:
The NT was god breathed.
Go to the Spirit of Truth and ask Him.
He will lead you to all truth
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How do you know that it is god-breathed? How can you be absolutely certain that you can hear the “Holy Spirit”? How can you be sure that it is not the Deceiver who is doing the interpretation for you?

Maggie
 
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Xavier:
The NT was god breathed.
Go to the Spirit of Truth and ask Him.
He will lead you to all truth
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Xavier, Xavier, Xavier. You still have not answered the question I asked you last September.

Why do you believe that Scripture is God-breathed?

We Catholics know why we believe that. You give no indication whatever that you have even the remotest idea why you believe it.
 
Originally posted by Maggie:
*How do you know that it is god-breathed? How can you be absolutely certain that you can hear the “Holy Spirit”? How can you be sure that it is not the Deceiver who is doing the interpretation for you?
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Now before you get upset, the point I am about to make is not my own opinion but one I regularly hear. How do you know that the interpretation you have been given is the correct one? How can *you *be sure that what you have been taught is true? Many non Catholic Christians use Scripture to discern if the teaching they receive is correct. As Scripture is the Word of God and therefore cannot lie, anything which disagrees with Scripture must be incorrect.

Certain Catholic teachings do seem to disagree with Scripture. For example, the apostles did not exalt themselves above the lay people the way the Magisterium does. So if this disagrees with Scripture then it should be deemed incorrect but the Church is allowed to (theoretically) say theu know better than Scripture.
 
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teresas1979:
Now before you get upset, the point I am about to make is not my own opinion but one I regularly hear. How do you know that the interpretation you have been given is the correct one? How can *you *be sure that what you have been taught is true? Many non Catholic Christians use Scripture to discern if the teaching they receive is correct. As Scripture is the Word of God and therefore cannot lie, anything which disagrees with Scripture must be incorrect.

Certain Catholic teachings do seem to disagree with Scripture. For example, the apostles did not exalt themselves above the lay people the way the Magisterium does. So if this disagrees with Scripture then it should be deemed incorrect but the Church is allowed to (theoretically) say theu know better than Scripture.
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My response to that argument would be:

No, the Church doesn’t claim to know better than Scripture. The Church knows how to interpret Scripture. It’s interpretation of Scripture never contradicts Scripture (see how that makes no sense). I’m not sure Church clergy “exalt” themselves. The Pope is the Servant of the Servants of God. The apostles were teachers and they knew better than their flocks, just as their successors know better than us. People who believe this should put their pride away and submit themselves to the Magesterium. We don’t know better than God’s divinely appointed authority on earth.

Anyway, the main problem with people interpreting Scripture themselves is they tend to interpret it to fit what they want it to say. For example, there’s people out there who interpret to say homosexual marriages are ok. There’s also people out there who think that once you’re “saved” you can sin all you want and still go to heaven.
 
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Genesis315:
People who believe this should put their pride away and submit themselves to the Magesterium. We don’t know better than God’s divinely appointed authority on earth.

Anyway, the main problem with people interpreting Scripture themselves is they tend to interpret it to fit what they want it to say. For example, there’s people out there who interpret to say homosexual marriages are ok. There’s also people out there who think that once you’re “saved” you can sin all you want and still go to heaven.
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Firstly, submitting to the Magisterium is not the issue precisely. And it is not pride so much as a lack of trust. It is more a case of what comes down from above vs what is done in practise (I have written about this before - what the documents say the Church teaches, and what actually happens often conflict).

I understand that when some people interpret Scripture for themselves they twist verses to mean whatever they want. But in my experience the Catholic Church goes to the same lengths to prove whatever she teaches is what the verse says. Sometimes, Scripture really does interpret Scripture and the Church does appear to teach error. Whenever I have questioned this I have been told that my fallible interpretation must be wrong and their infallible interpretation must be right. No explanation or exegesis (sp?) of the verses, just a straight “The Church teaches it so it must be right!”

The impression I am often given on these message boards is similar. The Church knows best so don’t argue or rock the boat. But it’s not about arguing, it’s about learning. And especially about learning Church teachings in relation to Scripture. Sometimes they appear to conflict and an examination of why the Church says they don’t would settle many issues. Simply hiding behind the Church knows best attitude is what causes much of the debate. I think a more humble attitude is required, to accept the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the Church is wrong.
 
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chrisb:
Peace be with you Biblereader,

I’m impressed with this system you’ve presented. Where can I learn more about this?

Peace.
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Hi, chrisb.

Currently, my book is only about half finished.

In the meantime, Fr. Peter Stravinskas’ The Catholic Response magazine will carry articles by myself on the subject.
 
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mercygate:
Xavier, Xavier, Xavier. You still have not answered the question I asked you last September.

Why do you believe that Scripture is God-breathed?

We Catholics know why we believe that. You give no indication whatever that you have even the remotest idea why you believe it.
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LOL I don’t think he’ll answer. So, don’t hold your… breath! 😃

Oh my, that’s terrible…
 
I would just like to add that although Catholicism and I have had our differences, I would sincerely love to believe that the Church can iron out these apparent differences in Scripture. I am grateful to those of you here who, never branding me with “anti-Catholic” tag (which is very unfair) have tried to help me to understand the differences which, if they had been tackled properly to begin with may have meant I would not have left the Church.
 
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teresas1979:
. . .I am grateful to those of you here who, never branding me with “anti-Catholic” tag (which is very unfair) have tried to help me to understand the differences which, if they had been tackled properly to begin with may have meant I would not have left the Church.
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Thank you Teresas. No one here is ever tagged as “anti-Catholic” unless they exhibit the antipathy towards the Church which would warrant it.

May the peace of Christ be with you.
 
TRUST
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teresas1979:
it is not pride so much as a lack of trust.
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Yes. Impaired trust distorts our hearing of things, our reading of things.

Impaired trust is not the same as skepticism. Skepticism is a way of making sure that what we agree on is really what we agree on and what we disagree on is really what we disagree on. It is a way of sorting out self from other and, when applied in a trusting manner (that is, in good faith) then it is a way of finding common ground.

Impaired trust does not admit to a ‘we.’ Impaired trust is what gave birth to Sola Scriptura in the first place. Witness Luther who trusted no one. Sola Scriptura is not a dialogue; it is a competition where the players make up the rules as they go along.

There is more to language than information. There is relationship. There is transformation. Many things. Why should we eat tv dinners alone in front of the tv when we have tickets to the banquet in our hands?

Why biblethump when we can

PARTY?
Lord heal our trust. FSHS Amen.
 
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teresas1979:
Now before you get upset, the point I am about to make is not my own opinion but one I regularly hear. How do you know that the interpretation you have been given is the correct one? How can *you *be sure that what you have been taught is true? Many non Catholic Christians use Scripture to discern if the teaching they receive is correct. As Scripture is the Word of God and therefore cannot lie, anything which disagrees with Scripture must be incorrect.

Certain Catholic teachings do seem to disagree with Scripture. For example, the apostles did not exalt themselves above the lay people the way the Magisterium does. So if this disagrees with Scripture then it should be deemed incorrect but the Church is allowed to (theoretically) say theu know better than Scripture.
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In what way does the Magisterium exalt itself above lay people? Don’t we all have roles and jobs to perform for God’s kingdom?

Where in the bible does it say that the church doesn’t know the truth?

Have you read the Acts of the Apostles. The twelve Apostles were definitely in a position of authority over lay people. Read Acts 5:1-11. Two people died just for lying to the Apostles.

These guys were not ones to mess with!

In the first century it was prophesied that the church in Pergamum would reject the authority of the Church of the Apostles and follow the teaching of the “Nicolaitans”, or “church(champion) of the people.” Rev 2:15

This greatly angers God.
 
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