Questions about evolution and origins

[Aloysium]

" Need a Longer Neck Mr. & Mrs. Giraffe? No Problem!

Giraffes are very interesting. When compared to other mammals, along with the differences they exhibit in their musculoskeletal structure, which includes very long cervical vertebrae, there are accommodations in their respiratory, cardiovascular and nervous systems that are necessary to meet the challenges of having long necks. If we were to breathe through a 2 meter long tube, it would not take long to asphyxiate, since we’d be breathing the same air over and over. This issue is overcome in the giraffe’s having a lung capacity about eight times larger. In terms of blood flow, to provide sufficient perfusion to the brain at normal pressures, the arterial pressure at the giraffe’s 30 cm long heart is about twice that in humans. Their arteries, capillaries and veins are structured in different ways to adjust for when they lower their heads, to withstand the pressures that would in other mammals damage the kidneys and prevent the edema that gravity would produce otherwise. The design of their gastrointestinal system includes a very powerful esophageal musculature to permit rumination. If we are thinking about alterations in a pre-existing genetic code, passed on to offspring, consideration must be given as to how such changes would occur at the various parts of the genome in order to result in the many alterations that would have to occur, pretty much simulatneously in order for the resulting creature to survive. Creationism is the best explanation even at a purely physical level.

 

[rossum]

Other than photosynthesis, what did the first organisms on earth eat ?

They ate chemicals, they were chemotrophs. All those organic chemicals in the seas that hadn’t yet been incorporated into a living proto-cell were fair game for consumption.

As those chemicals began to run short the proto-cells started eating each other, heterotrophy. Some bacteria still prey on each other. Photosynthesis only came later: phototrophy.

 

[Techno2000]

They ate chemicals, they were chemotrophs

This only works in a well established rich Oceanic ecosystem.You can’t try to extrapolate what’s going today, to something supposedly happened 4 billion years ago. Remember, the Earth was an absolute barren wasteland of nothingness.

 

[edwest211]

The problem here is that a lot of so-called “primitive” organisms are alive today. They can be studied today. But here’s where another problem comes in: stories can be created. This happened, followed by this and it took long periods of time or sometimes it didn’t. I can’t think of a more flexible storytelling device/method.

 

[Wozza]

But here’s where another problem comes in: stories can be created.

Let there be light…

 

[Techno2000]

I can’t think of a more flexible storytelling device/method.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

2 Timothy 4:3

 

[Wozza]

edwest211:

I can’t think of a more flexible storytelling device/method.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Let there be light…

 

[rossum]

This only works in a well established rich Oceanic ecosystem.

It works when raw chemicals are available to extract energy from; for instance, round hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor.

You can’t try to extrapolate what’s going today, to something supposedly happened 4 billion years ago.

Says someone who extrapolates an eternal God a lot more than 4 billion years ago. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Remember, the Earth was an absolute barren wasteland of nothingness.

Not so. If is was “nothingness” then there would have been none of the early living cells you asked about; your question is about what happened after the first living cells appeared. Those first living cells formed from chemicals in the oceans. Not all of those chemicals formed living cells, much was left over and so available as food. Apart from that, hydrothermal vents are the result of volcanic activity; back then the earth had volcanoes – we have volcanic rocks from that date.

 

[edwest211]

This is definitely part of it. There are honest people seeking honest/straight answers while others want to keep God out of His creation.

 

[Techno2000]

Techno2000:

edwest211:

I can’t think of a more flexible storytelling device/method.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Let there be light…

Yes, world grows darker, but that only makes goodness shine brighter.

 

[EndTimes]

Giraffes are very interesting. When compared to other mammals, along with the differences they exhibit in their musculoskeletal structure, which includes very long cervical vertebrae, there are accommodations in their respiratory, cardiovascular and nervous systems that are necessary to meet the challenges of having long necks. If we were to breathe through a 2 meter long tube, it would not take long to asphyxiate, since we’d be breathing the same air over and over. This issue is overcome in the giraffe’s having a lung capacity about eight times larger. In terms of blood flow, to provide sufficient perfusion to the brain at normal pressures, the arterial pressure at the giraffe’s 30 cm long heart is about twice that in humans. Their arteries, capillaries and veins are structured in different ways to adjust for when they lower their heads, to withstand the pressures that would in other mammals damage the kidneys and prevent the edema that gravity would produce otherwise. The design of their gastrointestinal system includes a very powerful esophageal musculature to permit rumination. If we are thinking about alterations in a pre-existing genetic code, passed on to offspring, consideration must be given as to how such changes would occur at the various parts of the genome in order to result in the many alterations that would have to occur, pretty much simulatneously in order for the resulting creature to survive. Creationism is the best explanation even at a purely physical level.

Agreed that Darwinism is ludicrous… And I’m thinking that the Dinosaur to Bird Yarn might take the cake once viewed in more depth on their extremely diverse morphological differences … which in turn during a thought experiment – would appear to require a virtually impossible number of incredibly ‘lucky’ mindless mutations … to even make that experiment worthy of any ‘adventurous’ mind…

Darwinism is Dead … Creationism is not a term I use for reason that as with ‘evolution’ it is understood via a variety of Definitions … from those who demand that a day in Genesis is 24 hours to those who know that the Creator Created Creation – and don’t really give a hoot one way or another with the 24/7 attempts by Darwinists of wasting dear time and life - to prove what is False…

 

[EndTimes]

Evolution produces organisms that are fit/unfit fit/unfit fit/unfit . Now try and ask a detailed question like what was it exactly that caused the die out of all those previously fit transitional whales.

You can’t get a detailed answer, because Darwinism thrives on vagueness.

Evolution is an ever-evolving damage-control_ed yarn… full of switchbacks, lies and hoaxes…

For some … Yakking with Darwinists serves as comic relief…

 

[Magart]

I do believe in evolution. God planted the seed of reason at some point in the evaluation of man and that was the beginning.

 

[Techno2000]

Apart from that, hydrothermal vents are the result of volcanic activity; back then the earth had volcanoes – we have volcanic rocks from that date.

But, you’re still going to need an Ocean ecosystem to be in place for the chemotrophs to do their thing.The food chain works from the top… down, not from the bottom…up.

 

[Techno2000]

As those chemicals began to run short the proto-cells started eating each other, heterotrophy.

So, the only thing they had to eat was… each other…Lol

 

[rossum]

But, you’re still going to need an Ocean ecosystem to be in place for the chemotrophs to do their thing.

Before the first life emerged there was no ecosystem because there was no life. When the first life emerged you had an ecosystem with one single species and a lot of chemicals (the ones that hadn’t yet been incorporated into that early life). At the bottom of the system were chemicals, like those around hydrothermal vents, and at the top was the very primitive early life. There was no middle. Life ate chemicals and extracted energy from those chemicals, exactly as we see round hydrothermal vents today: bacteria (and archaea) absorb chemicals produced at the vents and extract energy.

The food chain works from the top… down, not from the bottom…up.

You are misinformed. The food chain works from the bottom up. At the very bottom there are two (name removed by moderator)uts, light for photosynthesis/phototrophy and chemicals for chemotrophy.

So, the only thing they had to eat was… each other…Lol

What else was there to eat? You are asking about the first life, so apart from other primitive life there were only chemicals, and they would have run out away from hydrothermal vents or other specific sites. Again, we see that today. The chemotrophic bacteria round hydrothemal vents are eaten by other bacteria. Those are the first two steps in a developing food chain: chemicals → chemotrophs → heterotrophs.

You seem to be assuming that ecosystems at the beginning of life on earth were as complex as they are now. That is an error. Back then ecosystems were a lot simpler.

 

[EndTimes]

So, the only thing they had to eat was… each other…Lol

Exactly… It reminds of the Yarn of the Necessary Amino Acids were on a Comet and after zooming through Earth’s Atmosphere - miraculously smashed unscathed into Earth - and miraculously formed into a (functional mind you) Protein … AND THEN WHAT?

 

[buffalo]

I do believe in evolution. God planted the seed of reason at some point in the evaluation of man and that was the beginning.

Micro-evolution (aka adaptation) is not a problem for anyone. Macro is. It does not happen.

 

[Wozza]

Magart:

I do believe in evolution. God planted the seed of reason at some point in the evaluation of man and that was the beginning.

Micro-evolution (aka adaptation) is not a problem for anyone. Macro is. It does not happen.

Except Behe. Remember?

 

[edwest211]

Intelligent Design is the answer. Living things are designed.