Questions about evolution and origins

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Except Behe. Remember?
Behe has no problem with adaptation. He argues that NS breaks and blunts genes thereby damaging them and making the organism less fit even if a temporary benefit may be seen. This devolution leads to extinction.
 
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Except Behe. Remember?
Behe has no problem with adaptation. He argues that NS breaks and blunts genes thereby damaging them and making the organism less fit even if a temporary benefit may be seen. This devolution leads to extinction.
Hmm. Adaption up to the genus level, eh? Evolution by any other name it seems to me. Behe even calls it macro evolution. Seems like you’re stretching your definitions to fit your needs. With which I have no problem. As long as everyone knows it.

OK. As you were. Carry on.
 
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Those are the first two steps in a developing food chain: chemicals → chemotrophs → heterotrophs.
Sunshine and chemicals aint gonna cut it for a food chain, try again.What did the chemotroph evolve from, and why would they be so important in evolution ?
 
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Sunshine and chemicals aint gonna cut it for a food chain, try again.
Personal opinion is not evidence. Green algae survive on sunshine; they can photosynthesise the food they need. Bacteria can eat chemicals. I already gave you the example of hydrothermal vents. Here is another from an article on the wreck of the Titanic:
Strong ocean currents, salt corrosion and metal-eating bacteria are attacking the ship.
The evidence is against you here, so you lose the scientific argument.
What did the chemotroph evolve from, and why would they be so important in evolution ?
Go back and read your original question above:
Other than photosynthesis, what did the first organisms on earth eat ?
See that “first organisms on earth”? That answers the first part of your question.

In future please make sure you don’t waste your own and everyone else’s time by asking questions that have already been answered.

They are important because they were the first organisms to appear on earth. All other living things are descended from those early chemotrophs.
 
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Behe even calls it macro evolution.
Behe when pressed, thinks it could be possible, but unlikely. Devolution is being experimentally observed.
Don’t make me drag up the quotes again. And don’t bulldust a bullduster. Behe is quoted as saying, unequivocably, that macro evolution isn’t just possible but actually does exist.

And don’t sidetrack by bringing up devolution. You are wrong on macro evolution and one of the biggest proponents of ID - that which you tiresomely promote on various threads - says you are wrong.

Take it up with Behe.
 
Devolution is being experimentally observed.
Cannot be denied .
One mistaken RNA → DNA transcription of an amino acid in a Gene Chain (aka Mutation)
is what it takes… A loss of Genomic Info.
Aka - Devolution.
 
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Don’t make me drag up the quotes again. And don’t bulldust a bullduster. Behe is quoted as saying, unequivocably, that macro evolution isn’t just possible but actually does exist.

And don’t sidetrack by bringing up devolution. You are wrong on macro evolution and one of the biggest proponents of ID - that which you tiresomely promote on various threads - says you are wrong.

Take it up with Behe.
The norm is devolution and lineage splitting with resulting loss of function once had.
 
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Wozza:
Don’t make me drag up the quotes again. And don’t bulldust a bullduster. Behe is quoted as saying, unequivocably, that macro evolution isn’t just possible but actually does exist.

And don’t sidetrack by bringing up devolution. You are wrong on macro evolution and one of the biggest proponents of ID - that which you tiresomely promote on various threads - says you are wrong.

Take it up with Behe.
The norm is devolution and lineage splitting with resulting loss of function once had.
Which we weren’t talking about. Poor attempt at deflection. Behe accepts macro evolution without any problem. You really need to discuss this with him.
 
Micro-evolution (aka adaptation) is not a problem for anyone. Macro is. It does not happen.
Macro was posited & mindlessly theorized in the extrapolative guess work manner from Micro -

A Quintillion Lucky variations like the one teeny one observed … and an amino acid become the Biota!

Behe’s Edge of Evolution for Bozzo… 🙂
 
Macro is. It does not happen.
You have been grossly misinformed. Macroevolution, the evolution of new species, happens and has been observed to happen. Whatever website you got that from was lying to you.

Do I really have to post the crayfish example again? Haven’t you seen it enough times already?

Professor Behe accepts macroevoluiton. Science has observed examples of macroevolution. Why cannot you accept what the world your God created is telling you?
 
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Macro is. It does not happen.
You have been grossly misinformed. Macroevolution, the evolution of new species, happens and has been observed to happen. Whatever website you got that from was lying to you.

Do I really have to post the crayfish example again? Haven’t you seen it enough times already?

Professor Behe accepts macroevoluiton. Science has observed examples of macroevolution. Why cannot you accept what the world your God created is telling you?
He’s checking with Behe. He doesn’t trust what he writes or what he says. This might be fun. I might try the guy myself. Stay tuned…
 
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You have been grossly misinformed. Macroevolution, the evolution of new species, happens and has been observed to happen. Whatever website you got that from was lying to you.

Do I really have to post the crayfish example again? Haven’t you seen it enough times already?

Professor Behe accepts macroevoluiton. Science has observed examples of macroevolution. Why cannot you accept what the world your God created is telling you?
Marbled Crayfish again. We have gone over it several times.

Even the evo’s at the Royal Society are having issues with it. I will post the links again.
 
He’s checking with Behe. He doesn’t trust what he writes or what he says. This might be fun. I might try the guy myself. Stay tuned…
Positions evolve. 😀

Behe is careful to allow for possibilities as science is provisional.
 
Marbled Crayfish again. We have gone over it several times.
And you have no real response to the observed emergence of a new species. IIRC the last time you personally redefined ‘macroevolution’ to mean the emergence of a higher clade, well above species.

That was Humpty Dumpty argumentation.
Even the evo’s at the Royal Society are having issues with it. I will post the links again.
The “evo’s” at the Royal Society have no problem with evolution. If you are citing them as an authority then why do you not agree with them about evolution?

By your own standards the authority you are citing is wrong, and so cannot be an authority on the subject.
 

GETTING BEYOND DARWIN​

by George Weigel 8 . 21 . 19

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But to dismiss intelligent design out of hand—to brand it piety masquerading as science—is, well, unscientific. The fossil record and molecular biology now suggest that Darwinian answers to the Big Questions constitute the real fundamentalism: a materialistic fideism that, however shaky in dealing with the facts, is nonetheless deeply entrenched in 21st-century imaginations. Thus, Gelernter asks whether today’s scientists will display Darwin’s own courage in risking cultural disdain by upsetting intellectual apple carts.

The empirical evidence suggests that the notions of a purposeful Creator and a purposeful creation cannot be dismissed as mere pre-modern mythology. That may help a few Nones out of the materialist bogs in which they’re stuck.
 
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