Questions for Muslims posting here

[MarySee]

What is Church attitude towards Theory of Evolution?

 

[mattkubes]

What is Church attitude towards Theory of Evolution?

I think we’re getting a bit off topic, and seeing as these are forums at catholic.com, it would be pretty easy to find the answer to that question… But I guess having said that:

The Church isn’t preoccupied with proclaiming scientific theories, but it does state that belief in some forms of evolution is acceptable. Are we allowed to think that evolution was an entirely random process that somehow resulted in rational human beings (i.e. Atheistic Darwinian Natural Selection)? No. The Church tells us that, whatever the means of Creation, God intervened and directly infused a rational and immortal soul into mankind. We also believe that there was an original set of parents who received these souls (Adam and Eve). The passage in Genesis is important in telling us that God created everything, not necessarily the exact methods.

 

[Angelos]

** Niether the Torah says that God is a Trinity, nor says the bible NT. The Quran also denies it. So your belief is figment of your fanciful thinking. There is no Trinity anywhere.**

The Trinity is implicit in the OT.

The Trinity is explicit in the NT.

The Trinity is not denied in the Koran since what the Koran denies is a twisted and non-Christian version of the Triune God. We put the blame on the mistaken suppositions of Mohammad’s scribes.

 

[Angelos]

Yes, we have noticed the various in-appropriate translations of Islamic scripture done by angelos on this forum. He has the advantage of having a dual character (Double role), being a previous non-christian.

ROTFL.

Dear planten, thanks for agreeing with me that many Muslim scholars and so-called scientists deliberately use innaccurate translations of the Koran to prove their silly theories.

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;4196922:

Attributes are not entities. And I know where you’re going with that. So I’ll repeat it, attributes are not entities.

And before you ask…

know my answer: laa ilaaha illa Allah.

Just like Imam Ahmad.

choose any word you prefer and my question still stands.

 

[inJESUS]

How about going through life without having a single irrefutable answer to the question “How are the Three Persons One?”

when it comes to Christianity, the Trinity is an invention of partners with God and is too complicated to be true but when complications arise in Islam, no fuss as long as you believe Allah is one and prostrate yourself, even though the Quran is eternal and uncreated, Gibril is omnipotent and omnipresent, and Allah’s qualities are omnipresent but He is not…what the fuss? what matters is that Allah does not have partners called Wisdom and Spirit…sorry was it Jesus and Mary…so here we go…as long as you do not ascribe Wisdom and Spirit as partners to Allah, you have nothing to worry about…

 

[Americanrevert]

**Hello and assalaamu’alaykum,

The rotating planets were known: it was called a Zodiac

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hmmm when was the invention of the telescope?

By Angelos

when it comes to Christianity, the Trinity is an invention of partners with God and is too complicated to be true but when complications arise in Islam, no fuss as long as you believe Allah is one and prostrate yourself, even though the Quran is eternal and uncreated, Gibril is omnipotent and omnipresent, and Allah’s qualities are omnipresent but He is not…what the fuss? what matters is that Allah does not have partners called Wisdom and Spirit…sorry was it Jesus and Mary…so here we go…as long as you do not ascribe Wisdom and Spirit as partners to Allah, you have nothing to worry about…

Do you realize what you have said? You just denied your belief. Complications aren’t there in Islam, people confuse themselves due to the lack of knowledge they have about their own religion. Jibril (on him peace) is the archangel and is in no way compared to his Creator. Allah doesn’t need any partners. No one is compared unto Him. No need. And you can answer your own question about it being Jesus or Mary cuz the Bible says both Islam is serious. Muslims will be judged along with mankind. Not an atom’s weight of good or bad will be left out.

By Angelos

Dear planten, thanks for agreeing with me that many Muslim scholars and so-called scientists deliberately use innaccurate translations of the Koran to prove their silly theories.

Prove it.

By Matt

The Church isn’t preoccupied with proclaiming scientific theories, but it does state that belief in some forms of evolution is acceptable. Are we allowed to think that evolution was an entirely random process that somehow resulted in rational human beings (i.e. Atheistic Darwinian Natural Selection)? No. The Church tells us that, whatever the means of Creation, God intervened and directly infused a rational and immortal soul into mankind. We also believe that there was an original set of parents who received these souls (Adam and Eve). The passage in Genesis is important in telling us that God created everything, not necessarily the exact methods.

Perhaps cuz they cannot use the bible as a genuine source for such claims …God knows best.

God didn’t/doesn’t have to intervene. Man went against God from the Beginning. God has a plan. Man goes against God and disbelieves. I remember hearing a saying by two men one by G.K. Chesterton in which he said, “If there were no God, there would be no athiests”, and the other by C.S. Lewis, “Atheists express their rage against God although in their view He does not exist.” Man can’t make up their minds!

God sent messengers to help guide the people and in those messages, truth was there. Knowledge of things were there and intellect was used. But yet, man kept on goin against God. It isn’t God’s fault that mankind is messed up with all their warped thinkin. He sent His Messages and now He sent His Last…and pretty soon, the Day of Judgment is gonna come and people are gonna be in total shock

By Angelos

The Trinity is not denied in the Koran since what the Koran denies is a twisted and non-Christian version of the Triune God. We put the blame on the mistaken suppositions of Mohammad’s scribes.

huh??? lol you lack knowledge sir…especially Islamic.

americanrevert

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[dolphinlove]

** Niether the Torah says that God is a Trinity, nor says the bible NT. The Quran also denies it. So your belief is figment of your fanciful thinking. There is no Trinity anywhere.**

There is no proof that God revealed the quran to Muhammad.
This proves the quran is the figment of Muhammads imagination.

 

[Angelos]

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hmmm when was the invention of the telescope?**

Ask that question to those people who knew the Zodiac before the invention of the telescope.

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By Angelos

Do you realize what you have said? You just denied your belief. Complications aren’t there in Islam, people confuse themselves due to the lack of knowledge they have about their own religion. Jibril (on him peace) is the archangel and is in no way compared to his Creator. Allah doesn’t need any partners. No one is compared unto Him. No need. And you can answer your own question about it being Jesus or Mary cuz the Bible says both Islam is serious. Muslims will be judged along with mankind. Not an atom’s weight of good or bad will be left out. **

Now you are responding to me for a question I did not ask you? InJESUS will take care of your response for sure.

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By Angelos

Prove it.**

I have already proven my point and allegations. If you are not satisfied, go and read my posts once more. All those translations are taken from various Islamic websites. I even directly quoted Mr Nurbaki’s translation and paraphrased his suppositions from his book! Islamic justice and honesty are sadly equal to satanic injustice and dishonesty I guess! Slandering non-Muslims has been a bad Islamic habit.

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Perhaps cuz they cannot use the bible as a genuine source for such claims …God knows best. **

If God knows best, you know absolutely nothing with regard to our Bible.

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God didn’t/doesn’t have to intervene. Man went against God from the Beginning. God has a plan. Man goes against God and disbelieves. I remember hearing a saying by two men one by G.K. Chesterton in which he said, “If there were no God, there would be no athiests”, and the other by C.S. Lewis, “Atheists express their rage against God although in their view He does not exist.” Man can’t make up their minds!**

What was that plan of God? The Koran is not different than a poorly written chronicle relating the failure of inept messengers until Mohammad’s era. God supposedly sends the same message over and over and to different nations with no system. Three of His three supposed revelations are mysteriously sent to the same nation (Israel) though! He keeps sending the same message to the same nation no matter how they supposedly distort His truth. Finally, He wants to do something different and supposedly sends His last message to pagan Arabs. This time He somehow remembers to preserve His message and thus staves off the vicious circle.

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God sent messengers to help guide the people and in those messages, truth was there. Knowledge of things were there and intellect was used. But yet, man kept on goin against God. It isn’t God’s fault that mankind is messed up with all their warped thinkin. He sent His Messages and now He sent His Last…and pretty soon, the Day of Judgment is gonna come and people are gonna be in total shock **

Why did God’s word supposedly fail to remain in its authentic form until Mohammad’s time? Why did God supposedly fail to establish a connection and relevance between all of His revelations? Why cannot Muslims read the alleged former revelations today so as to witness the excellent continuity of God’s message???

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By Angelos

huh??? lol you lack knowledge sir…especially Islamic.
americanrevert

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In order to judge me and my knowledge, you must read my posts about the Koran’s faulty approach to the genuine Christian Trinity.

 

[mattkubes]

Perhaps cuz they cannot use the bible as a genuine source for such claims …God knows best.

No, I said that the Church does not preoccupy itself with testing scientific theories. Some argue that the account in Genesis can be used to do just that - you’ve taken what I said out of contexxt and created a strawman argument.

God didn’t/doesn’t have to intervene.

Now THAT is some weak theology - I’m being blatantly honest what I say that, if that’s what Muslim scholars believe, then I know with even more certainty that I’m in the right place.

God didn’t intervene to create the soul?? That’s what your argument is denying, because that was the point of my post. Please tell me the theology in Islam isn’t that poorly grounded…

 

[mattkubes]

Why did God’s word supposedly fail to remain in its authentic form until Mohammad’s time? Why did God supposedly fail to establish a connection and relevance between all of His revelations? Why cannot Muslims read the alleged former revelations today so as to witness the excellent continuity of God’s message???

This has always made me wonder…we have extremely ancient manuscripts of the NT and OT scriptures and things that talk about them (think Dead Sea Scrolls, Didache, Church Fathers)…but doesn’t the Quran claim that everyone originally received an entirely different revelation? The manuscripts (not to mention common sense - just look at the world around you) prove that completely wrong.

 

[dzheremi]

From what I’ve gathered from Muslims, the Bible still contains “some elements” of truth, so it isn’t completely corrupt. This is why Muslims feel justified in using the Bible to try to bolster Islamic claims, even though every Christian knows that the Bible says nothing at all about Islam or Muhammad (except, of course, the warning that many false prophets and doctrines will come after Jesus). Why it is that Muslims feel that they are right to be the arbiters of what OUR scripture says is beyond me (notice how everything that goes against Islam is “corruption”, yet the only things that can be taken as pro-Islam are Muslim’s own extremely unorthodox and self-serving readings of some passages). But then Muslims think they are the entitled to everything simply by virtue of their being Muslims, so I guess I shouldn’t be suprised.

 

[Angelos]

This has always made me wonder…we have extremely ancient manuscripts of the NT and OT scriptures and things that talk about them (think Dead Sea Scrolls, Didache, Church Fathers)…but doesn’t the Quran claim that everyone originally received an entirely different revelation? The manuscripts (not to mention common sense - just look at the world around you) prove that completely wrong.

Interestingly, Muslims assert to believe in the former revelations of God. When we ask them to endorse the teachings of the Bible, their first assertion (that they believe in the Jewish and Christian scripture) is followed by another assertion that none of the former revelations exists today. Consequently, Muslims believe in books that have never existed!

 

[mattkubes]

Why it is that Muslims feel that they are right to be the arbiters of what OUR scripture says is beyond me (notice how everything that goes against Islam is “corruption”, yet the only things that can be taken as pro-Islam are Muslim’s own extremely unorthodox and self-serving readings of some passages).

That is pretty strange. I wonder what they would make of John 4:22 (You adore that which you know not: we adore that which we know. For salvation is of the Jews.)? And certainly Matthew 24:24-25 is out of the question (For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.)!

But I guess it comes down to the same fallacies that the false doctrine of sola scriptura is based on - each Muslim is basically the arbiter of his own truth, guided by the Quran. Some choose to go by consensus, but others clearly do not. And which consensus even matters? The extremists have studied for years and they seem to agree…what about them? How do you determine which school of thought is the right one? I’m sure that a group of honest Muslims would come to different conclusions on this.

 

[mattkubes]

Interestingly, Muslims assert to believe in the former revelations of God. When we ask them to endorse the teachings of the Bible, their first assertion (that they believe in the Jewish and Christian scripture) is followed by another assertion that none of the former revelations exists today. Consequently, Muslims believe in books that have never existed!

Ow…my head hurts

 

[dzheremi]

Islam: Sola Scriptura for people who like blowing things up.

 

[Angelos]

Very nice articles here on the Islamic assertions concerning the Bible: answering-islam.org/Bible/index.html

 

[inJESUS]

Do you realize what you have said? You just denied your belief.

 

[planten]

i did?

 

[mattkubes]

inJESUS;4200725:

**Who said that Allah is wisdomless? Please do not make sentences from yourself. Where is your wisdom a partner in christianity?. Are you calling the holy ghost as a wisdom? Because Jesus cannot be wisdom. The father aslo cannot be wisdom. So the only the third party to godship is the holy ghost.

WE muslims never called the holy ghost as Wisdom. You seem to be guilty conscious.**

Is someone willing to translate for me?