Questions for Muslims posting here

[Sister_Amy]

Sister Amy;4197042:

choose any word you prefer and my question still stands.

It doesn’t.

 

[mattkubes]

Why do you even have to ask this silly question? Seriously, if you would simply understand that Jesus is a man and therefore Jesus is not God, then you wouldn’t even have to ask that question. And that’s better than an answer!

Actually, it works the other way around. Jesus is God, and therefore was able to become man. We certainly don’t think a man became God…that’s just silly.

In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God.

Amen!

 

[Angelos]

** I have quoted the verse where Jesus told his disciples to pray. It is a problem that a god is praying. That is another of your problem. We do not believe that a god needs to pray.**

The Son’s dialogue with the Father as a distinct person in the Godhead is no problem for us. However, the Koran verses where God supposedly thanks and praises Himself and talks of Himself as a separate person is rather problematic for the Islamic theology. LOL

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Then you want me to believe in the distorted meaning of the verses. Who told you those meanings? I can understand that Jesus was praying to avoid the cup. You are altering the meaning of that too. You are suggesting something impossible. It is clear that Jesus did not want to be crucified. he did not want to die on the cross. Simple as that. And he was not a god. he was praying to his God to save him and to avoid what was coming for him.**

I do not want you to belive in the distorted meaning of the verses. The simple thing I am asking you to do is to stop perverting certain narratives in the New Testament for your uncanny and wrong presumptions.

Jesus IS true God and true man. While in the flesh, the Son was tempted as a result of His human nature. However, He never failed or sinned.

Besides, Jesus’ prayer makes it clear that God the Father wanted Jesus to endure the passion. This is why the Father sent an angel to strengthen the Son for His mission.

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Jesus was praying for something and he wanted his disciples to pray too. But you are trying to alter the meaning there too that he wanted them to pray for themselves. Where is that written in the verse that he wanted them to pray for themsleves. You are making it up.**

How can you put forward this claim whereas you fail to quote the verse where Jesus supposedly asks His disciples to pray FOR HIM??? Where is it written in the verse that Jesus asked His disciples to pray for HIM? The answer is simple: nowehere.

Jesus asked His disciples to pray for THEMSELVES as it is clearly stated in the following verse:

Matthew 26:40-41
And he cometh to his disciples and findeth them asleep. And he saith to Peter: What? Could you not watch one hour with me? Watch ye: and pray that ye enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

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I believe that Jesus and his disciples cannot be praying to the real God or two different things. They were praying for the one and same thing. In that context, we see that Jesus was asking his disciples to join him in prayer so that the God avoid the cup which was coming for Jesus.**

This is an essentially stupid claim. Now you are being dishonest once more and trying to change the topic. What we have been debating so far is who Jesus asked His disciples to pray FOR, not whom He asked them to pray. There is actually nothing in the text even to imply that Jesus needed His disciples’ prayer. He prayed and got a direct answer to His direct prayer.

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The angel was strengthening Jesus. True. But not against his will. The angel told Jesus that his prayer was accepted. That will strenghten him. Not that his request or prayer is not accepted.**

Could you please quote the verse where the angel supposedly told Jesus that He would not be crucified??? If you fail to do that, I am afraid I shall not tolerate your acts of perversion anymore and report you to the moderators. I do not want liars here. They must be banned.

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Please angelos, you have been reading the bible or it has been read to you in a certain way in the past. Now you please relax and read it in a simple and straight way. Thanks. We believe that part of the bible is all correct. Our Quran also supports it and says that the prayer of Jesus was accepted.**

You are also fabricating lies against your own scripture! May God protect us from people like you.

The account in the New Testament makes it clear that Jesus was strengthened by an angel so that He could resist the temptation and be both physically and psychologically ready to walk to the cross.

The Koran never says that Jesus was tempted before His arrest or that an angel was sent to strengthen Him.

 

[Angelos]

Why do you even have to ask this silly question? Seriously, if you would simply understand that Jesus is a man and therefore Jesus is not God, then you wouldn’t even have to ask that question. And that’s better than an answer!

Sister Amy, your new faith condemns you to logical fallacies. Jesus’ humanity and divinity are not a matter of either/or but of both/and. Jesus is true God and true man. The Incarnation (Jesus’ miraculous nativity) made this possible. The eternal and uncreated Word took flesh and dwellt amongst us.

 

[mattkubes]

Angelos, you should be given a medal for actually being able to read through and understand those posts. 99% of the time I literally have no clue what he’s saying

 

[Angelos]

Angelos, you should be given a medal for actually being able to read through and understand those posts. 99% of the time I literally have no clue what he’s saying

I am so used to the Islamic fallacious thinking that I can predict how Muslims will respond to my posts even days before I write them .

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Why do you even have to ask this silly question? Seriously, if you would simply understand that Jesus is a man and therefore Jesus is not God, then you wouldn’t even have to ask that question. And that’s better than an answer!

we know where that answer leads.