Quija Boards

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wabrams:
Man, you all are very superstitious. If you say something happened to you, then fine. But I think it’s all subconscious.
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I’m assuming that you believe in God. Many, many people think that God is based on superstition and all in your subconscious as well. I guess the same goes for postive experiences such as miracuolus healings?
 
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marvin:
I’m assuming that you believe in God. Many, many people think that God is based on superstition and all in your subconscious as well. I guess the same goes for postive experiences such as miracuolus healings?
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Obviously you didn’t read post #78.
 
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wabrams:
Obviously you didn’t read post #78.
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Actually I did and it makes your argument even more confusing. You seem to be picking and choosing which phenomemna you want to believe.

If there is God then there is the devil. If God can act within the physical world then so can the devil. You have to come to grips with this. You can’t have it both ways.

Ask a priest about ouija boards. I guarantee he will not shrug them off as parlour tricks.

If you call yourself Catholic, you must accept that these things (ouija boards, seances, etc.) are not just superstition and you must avoid them at all costs. Its really that simple.
 
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marvin:
If you call yourself Catholic, you must accept that these things (ouija boards, seances, etc.) are not just superstition and you must avoid them at all costs. Its really that simple.
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You believe what you want, I’ll belive what I want.
 
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marvin:
If there is God then there is the devil. If God can act within the physical world then so can the devil. You have to come to grips with this. You can’t have it both ways.
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Are you saying this as a Catholic? or is this meant to be logic that everyone should be able to see?

curious,

cheddar
 
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cheddarsox:
Are you saying this as a Catholic? or is this meant to be logic that everyone should be able to see?

curious,

cheddar
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As a Catholic.
 
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wabrams:
Abusive? Hardly, just a personal opinion. I’m not attacking anyone’s character, but we all seem to disagree, which is fine. I am a little shocked a working scientist would put a whole lot of stock in the matter.
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Well, your “shock” bespeaks a lack of understanding of both science and the Catholic faith. In science because, as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, and repeatedly ignored, science is not a suitable tool for examining the supernatural, the realm in which the danger lies. And Catholic faith because its realm is indeed the very supernatural that science cannot examine.

And the expression of personal opinions can be abusive, even if what is expressed is indeed a personal opinion. I’m sure an anti-semite’s opinion of a Jew is also a “personal opinion.”
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wabrams:
One person’s superstition is another’s belief. Some aethiests say us Christiona’s are superstitious, but we know we’re not. To each his own.
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Actually, this statement smacks of indifferentism, and Catholics are not permitted to be indifferent to the Church’s teachings (although some are, at their spiritual peril).
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wabrams:
And this could also be the reason people think things happen when they might not; if you are told the same thing over and over, you do start to believe. Maybe we should just agree to disagree.
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So then, those who hold and profess the Catholic faith, and state her teachings, are somehow victims of manipulation or brainwashing? All of this seems to stem from a very disturbing presupposition that the supernatural does not exist, and smacks of the same predisposition to deny the reality of miracles. It is this very presupposition that is used to justify being a Christian, but at the same time, not believing in the physical resurrection of the Lord. And it’s not an option for Catholics.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
Gerry Hunter:
Well, your “shock” bespeaks a lack of understanding of both science and the Catholic faith. In science because, as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, and repeatedly ignored, science is not a suitable tool for examining the supernatural, the realm in which the danger lies. And Catholic faith because its realm is indeed the very supernatural that science cannot examine.
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What about parapyschology? Does this not try to study in a scientific way the supernatural?

And what shock do you speak of? I have a very sound understanding of science and an every growing understanding of the Catholic faith, as all Catholics experience.
 
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wabrams:
What about parapyschology? Does this not try to study in a scientific way the supernatural?
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Science is both a way of studying things, and a defined field of study. Parapsychology is no more an appropriate field for the application of the scientific method than is astrology or economics. It has never risen above the status of a pseudoscience.
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wabrams:
And what shock do you speak of? I have a very sound understanding of science and an every growing understanding of the Catholic faith, as all Catholics experience.
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What shock do I speak of? Say what?
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wabrams:
I am a little shocked a working scientist would put a whole lot of stock in the matter.
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That shock; your shock.

You may also be interested in knowing that
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wabrams:
You believe what you want, I’ll belive what I want.
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is not an option for Catholics when it comes to the teachings of the Church. If they take that route, they separate themselves from full communion with the Church.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
Gerry Hunter:
Science is both a way of studying things, and a defined field of study. Parapsychology is no more an appropriate field for the application of the scientific method than is astrology or economics. It has never risen above the status of a pseudoscience.

is not an option for Catholics. If they take that route, they separate themselves from full communion with the Church.

Blessings,

Gerry
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Thanks for the info, I’ll take it under advisement.
 
Wabrams, I pose to you a question:

Do you think that it is at all possible that demons and the devil work in the physical realm where their actions have physical results because of people conjuring them up by any means at all (not necesarilly by quija boards)?
 
My sisters and i played it when we were younger…it’s pretty darn scary…my mom threw it away…I am happy she did.
 
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wabrams:
Conjuring up spirits is a bunch of voodoo hoodoo if you ask me; right up there with palm reading and tarot cards.

Sounds like a bunch of stoned college kids. I remember those days of “seeing” things.
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Wabrams it is real, and I hope you never mess with it !If you have DO NOT DO IT AGAIN!:eek:
 
Ouija Boards are definitely BAD NEWS! I have read that people who required exorcisms had been messing with them. I have even seen pagans on t.v. say stay away from them! Anything that can link you to evil is something to stay away from. I have enough trouble with regular temptations.
 
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Not to be disrespectful, but I’m not really that concerned if the Church thinks there is a danger
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Originally Posted by wabrams
If you must know, I attend Mass, will be starting RCIA after Labor Day, and will be married to my Catholic fiance in a Catholic Church in March.
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Maybe you should start caring about what the Church thinks…
 
They are very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very Dangerous! :nope:
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Greg00:
Are Quija Boards evil? Are these things for real? Does anybody have any personal stories they could share to help me better understand these mysterious things? Does the Church have any official position on them? From some of the stories I heard they sound very dangerous.
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StCsDavid:
I believe one should examine why one wants to use a Quija board. The evil it might represent would be in the intent of its use. Personally, I think they’re a lot of hooey. I’m more fascinated by the power of prayer.
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NOT HOOEY! Bad bad bad bad bad! very bad.
 
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Greg00:
Are Quija Boards evil? Are these things for real? Does anybody have any personal stories they could share to help me better understand these mysterious things? Does the Church have any official position on them? From some of the stories I heard they sound very dangerous.
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Don’t dabble in those things, once you invite him in it’s very hard to get him out. catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0137.html
 
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