Quran 5:116

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Dear sister,do not forget that muslims also praise Muhammed.Darud sharif is same as pray.Allahumma salliala muhammadin wala ale Muhammadin Kama sallaita ala… it is also praise and according to you it is also worship.Or if it is not worship then how can catholic prayer to Mary is worship?Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. …So if your praise to muhammed is not worship then what’s wrong with catholic prayers?
Oh Allah–bestow mercy on Muhammad and on the family of Muhammad like you bestowed mercy on Abraham and the family of Abraham. Indeed you (oh Allah) are most Praiseworthy, most Glorious.

Tell me to whom this prayer is directed? Maybe, since you don’t know Arabic, you don’t know the meaning of the durood, and you mistakenly thought it was a prayer to Muhammad. But clearly it is a prayer only to Allah. The meaning of Allahumma is “O Allah.”

The beginning of the hail Mary prayer starts out with “Hail Mary.” That’s exactly the problem. If only you knew.
 
Propitiation does not mean that Jesus Christ came to appease God’s wrath. Propitiation means that Christ satisfied the holiness of God so that He is able to extend grace and mercy to lost sinners.
Notice in propitiation that the Holiness of God was satisfied by the blood of Christ and through faith the blood that satisfied the God’s Holiness is applied to the believer. Rom 3:25
5 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
NASU

Here is some important application for us all.
First of all, sinners can be saved from judgment. When we read in 1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
In 1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. Propitiation says that sinners can be saved from judgment, and not just a few sinners – propitiation is available to the whole world.

When the Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead and the tomb was left empty, Mary came to the tomb and stood outside weeping. When she stooped and looked in the tomb, she saw two angels – one at the head and the other at the feet of where the body had been lying, just like the mercy seat (John 20:11,12). The garments our Lord and been wrapped in were lying empty, because He had arisen from the dead. But at each end of that stone slab there was an angle. It looked just like the mercy seat. Because Jesus died for us, sinners can be saved from judgment.

Christ is the propitiation for our sins, and for yours only but for the sins of the whole world.

Notice what Romans says again. Rom 3:25
5 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
NASU
Through faith in Christ as the propitiation for our sins we have the blood applied to our sins and the judgment for our sins has been removed. Notice that work of salvation has been done by Christ Himself. The sinner by faith accepts what Christ has already done for him. This why the bible teaches that faith and faith alone saves us. Nothing else is needed of the sinner to do by believe what the bible says about propitiation. God did the work on the cross for us and the sinner now has to make up his own mind if he will accept the free gift of salvation by faith alone. When we speak of faith alone we mean that the Bible says that nothing else is needed for our salvation. John 3:16; 36; Eph 2:8-9; Romans 20:30-31; Acts 16:31; 1 Corn 15:1-4.
 
Since this seems to be missed…
Is there any place in the Quran where is the Chrisitian’s worship (which is done with intent) and associating him as a ‘partner’ to God (which is done with intent) is criticized
Associating who as a partner to God? I’m not sure if you mean Jesus here or the Holy Spirit.
 
Interesting. How do you worship Allah?
whyislam.org/OrderLiterature/tabid/174/Default.aspx

An excellent article about worship in Islam, which I’ll briefly summarize. Basically, people tend to think worship means only ritualistic behaviors as part of the religion, but in Islam worship is comprehensive to all a person’s actions which are devoted to the pleasure of the Almighty.

My question was regarding how a person worships the Holy Spirit specifically–and it was interesting to discover that the person views the Holy Spirit as a separate entity to whom they even pray. I find that rather bizarrely fascinating.
 
Oh Allah–bestow mercy on Muhammad and on the family of Muhammad like you bestowed mercy on Abraham and the family of Abraham. Indeed you (oh Allah) are most Praiseworthy, most Glorious.

Tell me to whom this prayer is directed? Maybe, since you don’t know Arabic, you don’t know the meaning of the durood, and you mistakenly thought it was a prayer to Muhammad. But clearly it is a prayer only to Allah. The meaning of Allahumma is “O Allah.”

The beginning of the hail Mary prayer starts out with “Hail Mary.” That’s exactly the problem. If only you knew.
With all due respect, Sister Amy, you must not know Arabic either. The word Salli (transliteration) in Arabic means to send prayers; not send mercy. If it did, the word would be Rahhim. The prayer is directed to God. However, it is a petition to send prayers upon Muhammad. I wonder why prayers need to be sent upon him, if he is (as Muslims believe) in Heaven. As regards the Hail Mary (or Ave Maria), Biblical source
The prayer incorporates two passages from Saint Luke’s Gospel: “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women” (Luke 1:28 and “Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb” (Luke 1:42. In mid-13th-century Western Europe the prayer consisted only of these words with the single addition of the name “Mary” after the word “Hail”, as is evident from the commentary of Saint Thomas Aquinas on the prayer.[1]

The first of the two passages from Saint Luke’s Gospel is the greeting of the Angel Gabriel to Mary, originally written in Koine Greek. The opening word of greeting, χαῖρε, chaíre, here translated “Hail”, literally has the meaning “Rejoice”, “Be glad”. This was the normal greeting in the language in which Saint Luke’s Gospel is written and continues to be used in the same sense in Modern Greek. Accordingly, both “Hail” and “Rejoice” are valid English translations of the word.

The word κεχαριτωμένη, (kecharitōménē), here translated as “full of grace”, admits of various translations. Grammatically, the word is the feminine present perfect passive voice participle of the verb χαριτόω[2], charitóō, which means “to show, or bestow with, grace” and, in the passive voice, “to have grace shown, or bestowed upon, one”. The form of the verb is intensive, hence the translations “full of grace”.[3]

The text also appears in the account of the annunciation contained in the apocryphal Infancy Gospel of Matthew, in chapter 9.
 
With all due respect, Sister Amy, you must not know Arabic either. The word Salli (transliteration) in Arabic means to send prayers; not send mercy. If it did, the word would be Rahhim. The prayer is directed to God. However, it is a petition to send prayers upon Muhammad. I wonder why prayers need to be sent upon him, if he is (as Muslims believe) in Heaven.
You make a good point. Although, I said “mercy” for a very specific reason–and not because it’s a direct translation. You know, I’m sure, that after Muslims mention the name of Muhammad they will say salla allahu 'alayhi wa sallam. And that is commonly translated as “peace and blessings of Allah be upon him” or even sometimes just “peace be upon him.” But you’re right! The “Salli” like in the durood as well means to send prayers.

But how does Allah “send prayers” on someone? 🙂 And the answer to that is mercy. 🙂 So one imam I know was explaining this to me recently and suggested the better translation of saaws would be may the mercy and peace of Allah be upon him. So I translated the durood above as bestowing mercy.

Regardless, the prayer is to Allah in the first place, which was the essence of my point.

🙂
 
You make a good point. Although, I said “mercy” for a very specific reason–and not because it’s a direct translation. You know, I’m sure, that after Muslims mention the name of Muhammad they will say salla allahu 'alayhi wa sallam. And that is commonly translated as “peace and blessings of Allah be upon him” or even sometimes just “peace be upon him.” But you’re right! The “Salli” like in the durood as well means to send prayers.

But how does Allah “send prayers” on someone? 🙂 And the answer to that is mercy. 🙂 So one imam I know was explaining this to me recently and suggested the better translation of saaws would be may the mercy and peace of Allah be upon him. So I translated the durood above as bestowing mercy.

Regardless, the prayer is to Allah in the first place, which was the essence of my point.

🙂
Why would someone in Heaven need mercy :confused: ? Also, you completely disregarded the latter portion of my reply. I guess it is because your comparision fell apart. Interesting that it seems Muslim are asked to send prayers and/or mercy to Muhammad (even thought he is supposedly in heaven). Christians, on the other, ask the Blessed Virgen Maria to prayer for them as She is ALIVE and IN HEAVEN. She does not need us…We need her!
 
Why would someone in Heaven need mercy :confused: ? Also, you completely disregarded the latter portion of my reply. I guess it is because your comparision fell apart. Interesting that it seems Muslim are asked to send prayers and/or mercy to Muhammad (even thought he is supposedly in heaven). Christians, on the other, ask the Blessed Virgen Maria to prayer for them as She is ALIVE and IN HEAVEN. She does not need us…We need her!
Muhammad is not in heaven, according to the Muslim belief.

I didn’t have anything I needed to reply to in the rest of your post. I am not really interested in how you try to justify your prayers to Mary.

But now you’ve said something quite interesting. That you need Mary. I wonder what she will say to you on the Day of Resurrection. She cannot save you.
 
Muhammad is not in heaven, according to the Muslim belief.

I didn’t have anything I needed to reply to in the rest of your post. I am not really interested in how you try to justify your prayers to Mary.

But now you’ve said something quite interesting. That you need Mary. I wonder what she will say to you on the Day of Resurrection. She cannot save you.
Do you, actually, read the replies???
Please enlighten us. Where is Muhammad?
Also, you are the one that made the comparison. I was only responding to it. That’s how discussion works. Do you understand that? I guess Muslims don’t have to be socially cordial. After all, Muhammad would not accept any criticism either. Why would his followers me any different? 😦
 
Do you, actually, read the replies???
I, actually, try. (ps, there don’t need to be any commas around the word actually.)
Please enlighten us. Where is Muhammad?
We could say “in the grave” or better yet, “in the life of the grave” or “in barzakh” which is the barrier between a person’s death and the Day of Resurrection. Link1. Link2.
Also, you are the one that made the comparison.
What comparison do you allege that I made? Please don’t tell me you’re confusing my posts with paarsurrey’s…
I was only responding to it.
I am only responding to yours. Shouldn’t I correct you when you err?
That’s how discussion works. Do you understand that?
Afraid not. Maybe you can explain it again.
I guess Muslims don’t have to be socially cordial.
Am I the one being rude here? Or aren’t you reading the posts?
After all, Muhammad would not accept any criticism either. Why would his followers me any different? 😦
That’s funny. :rotfl:
 
The next time you hear a Muslim telling his mother/father that he needs his prayer, tell him to ask for Allah’s forgiveness because Allah will be very “furious”.
 
The next time you hear a Muslim telling his mother/father that he needs his prayer, tell him to ask for Allah’s forgiveness because Allah will be very “furious”.
Furious is one of those words in english that you can’t put “very” in front of. It just doesn’t work.
 
Sister Amy, if barzakh is were prophets/people go after death, where is Jesus now according to Islam?
 
I, actually, try. (ps, there don’t need to be any commas around the word actually.)

We could say “in the grave” or better yet, “in the life of the grave” or “in barzakh” which is the barrier between a person’s death and the Day of Resurrection. Link1. Link2.

What comparison do you allege that I made? Please don’t tell me you’re confusing my posts with paarsurrey’s…

I am only responding to yours. Shouldn’t I correct you when you err?

Afraid not. Maybe you can explain it again.

Am I the one being rude here? Or aren’t you reading the posts?

That’s funny. :rotfl:
Divert! Detach! Dodge! You are an expert at avoiding hard questions. Your mind is made up, I will not confuse you with facts.
 
Sorry I skipped a couple of words…I was referring to the Holy Spirit.
No problem. I do that too sometimes. I just wanted to be sure before answering. So here was the question:
Is there any place in the Quran where is the Chrisitian’s worship (which is done with intent) and associating him * as a ‘partner’ to God (which is done with intent) is criticized*
And my answer, I’m sorry to say, is that I really don’t know. There are a few verses which describe the Holy Spirit, to which I can direct you. There are the verses about Jesus, in which Allah says he strengthened Jesus with the holy spirit (2:87, 2:253, 5:110). And then there’s another interesting verse, 16:102, which describes the duties of the Holy Spirit.
But direct criticism of worship of the Holy Spirit, specifically, I’m not aware of. Rather, the role of the Holy Spirit is clarified with regards to the position of Jesus, which is stronger than criticism in my opinion.
 
Divert! Detach! Dodge! You are an expert at avoiding hard questions. Your mind is made up, I will not confuse you with facts.
Seriously though, I want to know what comparison you’re claiming I made.

And I did answer your question.
 
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