Qu'ran vs. The Bible

[hamba2han]

IMO, the real cause of Christian disagreement with Muslim beliefs is that Christians just cannot bring themselves to accept that it is God Himself who will send people to the Hellfire.

They simply are unable to reconcile that an all-loving and compassionate God can prepare such a place like Hell for His creations.

Knowlegeable Muslims on the other hand have no problem at all accepting that God is indeed the Greatest Terrorist there is.

 

[George_Waters]

IMO, the real cause of Christian disagreement with Muslim beliefs is that Christians just cannot bring themselves to accept that it is God Himself who will send people to the Hellfire.

They simply are unable to reconcile that an all-loving and compassionate God can prepare such a place like Hell for His creations.

Knowlegeable Muslims on the other hand have no problem at all accepting that God is indeed the Greatest Terrorist there is.

God does not send people to hell. People send themselves to hell. God as a terrorist is just one of many errounous beliefs Muslims hold. If God has predestined some to go to Hell and some to join Him why have religion? Your actions won’t matter as God has already decided. Why blow yourself and innocent people up if you are already assurd heaven?

 

[AgnosTheist]

God does not send people to hell. People send themselves to hell.

thats a mighty big insult to human intelligence. a lot of people dont even believe in hell.

 

[George_Waters]

thats a mighty big insult to human intelligence. a lot of people dont even believe in hell.

Just because you don’t believe in something does not mean it does not exists. Virus killed a lot of people before we even knew they existed. I think you just like to argue AgnosTheist!

 

[AgnosTheist]

Just because you don’t believe in something does not mean it does not exists. Virus killed a lot of people before we even knew they existed. I think you just like to argue AgnosTheist!

whether or not hell exists, people are not so stupid as to embrace it. no, the muslim is right- its your god who sends people to hell.

 

[Keikiolu]

IMO, the real cause of Christian disagreement with Muslim beliefs is that Christians just cannot bring themselves to accept that it is God Himself who will send people to the Hellfire.

That’s quite right…!! We can’t, because we are told that is not possible.

They simply are unable to reconcile that an all-loving and compassionate God can prepare such a place like Hell for His creations.

We prepare our own hell. God makes nothing that is evil.

Knowlegeable Muslims on the other hand have no problem at all accepting that God is indeed the Greatest Terrorist there is.

While I do agree with this, I find it amazing that anyone would actually say this out loud.

I’m in awe of your incredible nerve…! More power to you!

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

 

[hamba2han]

Virus killed a lot of people before we even knew they existed.

Since people send themselves to Hell, we can also say that viruses do not kill people.

Instead, it is people who allow themselves to be killed by viruses.

 

[George_Waters]

whether or not hell exists, people are not so stupid as to embrace it. no, the muslim is right- its your god who sends people to hell.

People are not so stupid??? Are you sure about that? You read some of these posts?

I nor the Catholic Church knows if anyone is in Hell. Yes, there is a Hell, but we do not know who, if anyone, is in Hell. Therefor we can not say God has sent anyone to Hell. I think some have embraced Hell, but I hope they saw their stupidity and repented.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Instead, it is people who allow themselves to be killed by viruses.

no, people dont do that. people do everything to fight viruses. human beings are not stupid as you believers make them to be.

 

[AgnosTheist]

People are not so stupid??? Are you sure about that? You read some of these posts?

errr, ah, well…they are not stupid ‘enough’ to go to hell.

 

[George_Waters]

Since people send themselves to Hell, we can also say that viruses do not kill people.

Instead, it is people who allow themselves to be killed by viruses.

No we can not say that. That is simply wrong. Some people due to ignorance or neglect (their choice) die because they do not take the proper precautions against viruses and succumb to them. Just like Hell. God warns you, you ignore it, you suffer the consequences of your actions. See how simple that is?

 

[George_Waters]

errr, ah, well…they are not stupid ‘enough’ to go to hell.

Well I hope not! Some may deserve it…

 

[hamba2han]

no, people dont do that. people do everything to fight viruses. human beings are not stupid as you believers make them to be.

I was merely playing the devil’s advocate here.

The ‘devil’ in this case is someone who refuses to accept that it is God Himself who will send His creations to the Hellfire.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Post your worst Qu’ran Surahs’ and see if anyone can counter with a more offensive Bible verse.

in terms of female policies, i think the worst koranic verse is 4:34.

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Its bad for two reasons: it not only permits domestic violence but this permission is also unlimited in scope & duration. meaning everyone should practice this forever.

Now is there a bible verse that can surpass this?

 

[Keikiolu]

Since people send themselves to Hell, we can also say that viruses do not kill people.

Instead, it is people who allow themselves to be killed by viruses.

OK,… best “comedic line of the day” award goes to…

HAMBA…!!



Very good…!! Hah ha ha ha ha…

It’s a ludicrous line,… but quite funny…! Most impressive.

 

[George_Waters]

I was merely playing the devil’s advocate here.

The ‘devil’ in this case is someone who refuses to accept that it is God Himself who will send His creations to the Hellfire.

You calling me the devil?

So God/Allah is a sadist who creates life just to torment it? Wow! No wonder Muslims are so angry!

Use that Islamic logic and think about this for a moment hamba!

 

[AgnosTheist]

So God/Allah is a sadist who creates life just to torment it? Wow!

Yeah thats why a lot of muslims keep wishing Mohammad with ‘peace be upon him’ (pbuh). because nobody is sure what allah would to him. right, hamba?

 

[lukewarm]

in terms of female policies, i think the worst koranic verse is 4:34.

*Men are the maintainers of women *because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Its bad for two reasons: it not only permits domestic violence but this permission is also unlimited in scope & duration. meaning everyone should practice this forever.

Now is there a bible verse that can surpass this?

Psalm 137:9

“Happy is the man who takes your little ones, crushing them against the rocks.”

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NIV

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”

Judges 11:39:

“At the end of two months she returned to her father, who did to her according to the vow which he had made; and she had no relations with a man. Thus it became a custom in Israel”

(he vowed to sacrifice as a burnt offering the next person to walk through his door, this turned out to be his daughter)

Joshua 6:21

“And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, **young and old, and ox, and sheep, and *****, with the edge of the sword”. (not only the old timers and children but what the heck did the ox and sheep do?)

Joshua 10:40-41

“So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon.”

(God of ISRAEL commanded, not God of everyone, God of Israel)

Just a few for starters, while I find the Surah ou quoted very objectionable, hitting women is repugnant, the ones I showed from the Bible are considerable worse.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Psalm 137:9

“Happy is the man who takes your little ones, crushing them against the rocks.”

this is a wish, not a policy.

the koran wins.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NIV

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”

this is limited to the jews. even so, rapes are rare occurrences. on the contrary koran 4:34 is for everybody and women are generally bossy so many of them will end up getting beaten all the time.

the koran wins.

Judges 11:39:

“At the end of two months she returned to her father, who did to her according to the vow which he had made; and she had no relations with a man. Thus it became a custom in Israel”

a custom, not a religious policy.

(he vowed to sacrifice as a burnt offering the next person to walk through his door, this turned out to be his daughter)

Joshua 6:21

a one time event.

the koran wins by a long shot.

“And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, **young and old, and ox, and sheep, and *****, with the edge of the sword”. (not only the old timers and children but what the heck did the ox and sheep do?)

a one time event. not a general policy.

koran still wins.

Joshua 10:40-41

“So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon.”

same.

 

[lukewarm]

this is a wish, not a policy.

the koran wins.

this is limited to the jews. even so, rapes are rare occurrences. on the contrary koran 4:34 is for everybody and women are generally bossy so many of them will end up getting beaten all the time.

the koran wins.

a custom, not a religious policy.

a one time event.

the koran wins by a long shot.

a one time event. not a general policy.

koran still wins.

same.

Not even close the Bible took it in every category, paying a rape victims FATHER, not even the rape victim $50 then making her marry the man who raped her is infinitely more vile than saying it’s O.K. to hit your wife a little, and it’s just as much of a going forward command as what is in the Koran.

The other stuff you outright rejected is much worse too, it’s vile and disgusting and indefensible.

Although an agnostic your bias towards Islam is well documented on this board so your view is skewed.