Racism, Neo-Nazism, and Catholic Teaching

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Alex337 said:
Tell you what; I’ll answer your simple question when you’ve answered mine.

So; is racism real?
Are black people negatively impacted by it?
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Simple since I’ve answered both questions already.

Yes racism is real
Yes like all people, black people are also negatively impacted by it.

Now your turn.
 
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PetraG said:
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Alex337:
I had a really good chat about this with a friend who uses the word “cripple” for herself. She finds strength in reclaiming the word and I say fair enough, but she agrees that it’s something she would only use for herself and others who are also okay with it. Reclaiming a word can only be done by those who the word applies to and they should only do it for themself.
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Yes–when Northerners embraced the word “Yankee,” it was like that.
(This is why the Oakland Athletics have the little white elephant on their team emblem–someone insulted the team as a bunch of white elephants and the team ran with it).

People calling the President’s supporters white trash are not doing that. They are guilty of racism, because the term “white trash” is an expression of contempt based on ethnicity.
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And classism frankly. Definitely not okay.
 
abucs said:
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Alex337:
Tell you what; I’ll answer your simple question when you’ve answered mine.

So; is racism real?
Are black people negatively impacted by it?
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Simple since I’ve answered both questions already.

Yes racism is real
Yes like all people, black people are also negatively impacted by it.

Now your turn.
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Nope, I’m not. I’d likely be classed as gender apathetic if anything.
 
What is gender apathetic?

You don’t favour or identify in being called male or female?

Is that right?
 
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abucs said:
What is gender apathetic?
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What it says on the label. I’m apathetic towards gender, I don’t particularly feel the need to consider gender personally. I don’t mind if I’m accidentally misgendered (though that happens rarely) and while I plan to have a mastectomy soon it’s due to comfort reasons rather than gender based ones.
 
So you don’t consider yourself a heterosexual man or a heterosexual woman?
 
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Do you consider you sexual group a victim group that the wider community discriminates against?
 
abucs said:
Do you consider you sexual group a victim group that the wider community discriminates against?
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In so far as we are widely said to not exist, sure. I doubt a heterosexual person ever has to clarify that their sexuality wasn’t caused by rape for instance.
 
ok I will leave the discussion now.

Back to the race question. Thomas Sowell tries to make the case for why it is wrong to attribute black disadvantage to the history of slavery.

 
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Cool. ContraPoints is pretty funny. What did you think of her breakdown on the concept of the West?
 
I disagreed with certain aspects of it and agreed with others.

ok, going now.
 
abucs said:
ok I will leave the discussion now.

Back to the race question. Thomas Sowell tries to make the case for why it is wrong to attribute black disadvantage to the history of slavery.
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I don’t think it is either/or.
People go to Las Vegas and win money, but that doesn’t change the fact that the games are all slanted in favor of the house. It isn’t reasonable to go to Las Vegas and expect to make money. Some people will say, “Hey, it is the only game in town, so live with it” and others will say, “Most of us are going to lose and those who win will still not be accepted with the winners. Why not resign ourselves to where they want to keep us?” Well, that kind of thinking won’t get a person anywhere, but on the other hand mathematically only a limited number of people will make it no matter how many try. Both attitudes “make sense” in their own weird way.
 
Are we talking about racism in general or specific problems?
 
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SeriousQuestion said:
Are we talking about racism in general or specific problems?
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Ostensibly, the original question of the thread is whether or not racism actually exists.
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But the question was raised in another thread. Is there currently such a thing as racism? What about neo-Nazism? Are the bishops addressing a real problem or - to put it in the words of one CAF member - merely “the Easter bunny?”
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It has bounced around from “of course it is real” to “it isn’t nearly as bad for those who suffer from what currently exists as obsessing about it harms them” or “it is really rare, you can only find the neo-Nazis saying stuff like that” or “the concept is a means by which American politics are manipulated by cynical forces outside” and “well, it is real, but it isn’t something that only non-whites contend with.” Among other things…it is hard to put a 300-post thread in a nutshell.

I don’t think anyone here is willing to say it does not exist. How to best deal with it is a point of contention, yes, but not whether unfair treatment or unjust attitudes based on race exist or not.
 
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I’d like to see if anyone can provide a specific example, (many people have), or if racism only exists to them in the abstract.

I’ve been simultaneously encouraged and downright terrified reading this thread.
 
Let’s approach it as seeking specific examples of a general problem.

I stated in another thread that I thought many people were denying the existence of racism. Then I was mocked for accusing people of being “in denial” if they didn’t agree with me.

So I’m testing the waters to see how many people own up to the problem and how many dismiss it or turn it into a distant abstraction.
 
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