Racism, Neo-Nazism, and Catholic Teaching

[abucs]

I studied history at a university in Australia. We had no lack of units that taught western civilisation topics, they were the majority. But when teaching history you need to learn about war, plagues, inequities as well as inventions. To teach a history course about any group that was somehow purely positive would be distorting history by it’s sheer lack of insight.

My criticism is exactly the opposite to what you have mentioned.

 

[abucs]

Western civilization is responsible for outstanding achievements in science, literature, and the arts, as well has horrific wars, genocides, and persecutions. You can’t deny either, and history isn’t black and white.

Same comment as above, in general the criticism is not that you shouldn’t study terrible things in history but that you shouldn’t be biased towards being critical.

In the course that we were talking about I didn’t at any stage say you shouldn’t study terrible things in history I asked you if there was anything in the course which praised western civilisation. Because you said that you couldn’t remember anything positive I then questioned you whether this might indicate a biased course.

I think you and Alex above have both displayed the typical reaction in that the immediate programming is to turn the discussion 180 degrees and imagine that one is criticising any study of terrible things regarding western civilisation instead of thinking about what was actually discussed and considering the lack of praising western civilisation is an indication of a biased course.

You can only have this reaction if emotionally you have been programmed to believe attacking western civilisation is a good thing. Otherwise why would the immediate reaction of so many people like yourselves have the same reaction of a criticism of no positive things said amount western civilisation (especially morally) being imagined as someone arguing for only positive things being taught about western civilisation.

The same anti Christian programming is also present in many people because people have been emotionally ‘educated’ into seeing Christianity in an unbalanced negative view.

 

[PetraG]

Anyway I was referring to the racists that would put down black people (usually) in various ways but then rationalize it by saying that they are just stating ‘facts’. Or by saying they’re not racist because they acknowledge Asians are smarter/better in some aspect.

Here is the thing: I know students of Asian extraction who get really sick of hearing how they’re good students because of their race. They work hard, but they have white friends who work hard and for some reason their friends get more credit for being outstanding. Likewise, the Asian students who are no great shakes in school get a bit sick of the expectation that there is something wrong with them for being average.

 

[KMC]

As far as I’m concerned, white privilege is an offhand way of saying ‘your life isn’t hard because of your race’ aka the crap a white person faces is obviously legitimate if it happens, but it didn’t happen because he was white. But I guess different people will have different interpretations of it.

Great point. “White Privilege” is spoken of as if its the only privilege that matters. Simple examples that show its not the most important “privilege”: Whose children are more privileged, my children (mixed race, white & Asian) or Lebron James’ children? My children or Obama’s children? How about some of my upper middle income black friends or the average white person living in Appalachia?

Yes, I don’t deal with much of the racial crap a black person faces, however, many people who throw around “white privilege” are just judging a person by the color of their skin, and taking no time to learn about what issues that person actually has in their life.

 

[Usagi]

Yes, in absolute terms your children are less privileged than the Obamas. Socioeconomic class is a thing, and offers its own privilege (in both the “have an easier life” and the “may easily be ignorant of things that people outside that group deal with regularly” senses).

But you yourself said that you avoid some things that black people (even wealthy ones like the Obamas) have to deal with. That is literally what “white privilege” means. Do some people misuse it to exclude people from conversation or consideration? Sure, just as different people have taken over and misused the term “virtue signaling.” But that doesn’t mean the phenomenon is not real or useful to talk about.

 

[abucs]

“White privilege” is an invented term and concept by academia that allows them to attack western civilisation and by extension white people. It is a cover for real racism.

It is evil. This all comes out of the Marxist infiltration of our universities that substitute propaganda for education.

An example of Disinformation against the church.

 

[deMontfort]

This all comes out of the Marxist infiltration of our universities that substitute propaganda for education.

Bingo…

 

[KMC]

Yes, in absolute terms your children are less privileged than the Obamas. Socioeconomic class is a thing, and offers its own privilege (in both the “have an easier life” and the “may easily be ignorant of things that people outside that group deal with regularly” senses).

But you yourself said that you avoid some things that black people (even wealthy ones like the Obamas) have to deal with. That is literally what “white privilege” means. Do some people misuse it to exclude people from conversation or consideration? Sure, just as different people have taken over and misused the term “virtue signaling.” But that doesn’t mean the phenomenon is not real or useful to talk about.

Based on some of the conversations I’ve had or read about, “white privilege” is used as an excuse or a dodge to not talk about more impactful issues. You agree that the term has been misused, much like “virtue signaling” or even “racism”. While I do believe there are some people who want an honest conversation about topics like these and are willing to listen to all people of all races, it appears to me that those who use the term “white privilege” the most are people would rather point the finger and assess blame to something outside of their control.

What has more impact on someone’s life: talking about “white privilege” or “how to make better decisions”?

 

[PetraG]

“White privilege” is an invented term and concept by academia that allows them to attack western civilisation and by extension white people. It is a cover for real racism.

It is evil. This all comes out of the Marxist infiltration of our universities that substitute propaganda for education.

What do you mean, “invented term”? All terms are invented terms. I hope you do not mean that white privilege is never a real thing. It is not hard to demonstrate that there are many situations in which merely being white is an advantage in terms of gaining a favorable perception and favorable treatment (or not getting an immediate unfavorable perception, which is the same thing). Yes, there are places where being white is a disadvantage. The difference is that the times when it is an advantage to be white tend to be more economically lucrative. (What is not recognized is that not all whites are capable of garnering “white privilege.” There are a lot of situations when the lucrative sorts of racial-stereotyping privilege are more like WASP-appearance privilege.)

Also, not everyone who is a progressive or a liberal or who is in love with novelty for the sake of novelty or any of the other habits of thinking that could be associated with contemporary academic “politically correct” thinking is a Marxist. I would go so far as to say that most liberals are not Marxists. There are many liberal academics, after all, who say things that would get them thrown in jail if they were in an actual Marxist country.

 

[abucs]

I mean exactly what I said Petra.

Regarding Liberals, Progressive and Marxists.

Watch the video.

Being influenced and to some extent controlled by Marxist thought does not mean you explicitly identify with Marxism. The success of Disinformation (from the video) is to control people while not letting them know they are being controlled.

‘White privilege’ is a racist term meant to shame people and exclude their views in connection with false history and morality. The people who use this term take part in evil, whether they realise it or not.

It is evil.

 

[abucs]

There are many liberal academics, after all, who say things that would get them thrown in jail if they were in an actual Marxist country.

The number of academic and influential people on the Left who would have been actually executed in Marxist countries may have been a lot larger than you think.

Useful idiots.

The goal today for us is to stop the idiocy that was planted in education decades ago in order to turn people against western civilisation and ………disparaging white people and males and Christianity was part of that.

 

[deMontfort]

When you get down to it, what someone “identifies” with is, essentially, irrelevant: If someone holds Marxist beliefs then they are a Marxist regardless of whether they “identify” with it or not. This whole “I identify with X or as X” is BS and drivel perpetuated by people who are out of touch with reality.

 

[PetraG]

‘White privilege’ is a racist term meant to shame people and exclude their views in connection with false history and morality. The people who use this term take part in evil, whether they realise it or not.
It is evil.

“Do not ever bother with leftists…Try to get into…established conservative media…cynical ego-centric people who can look into your eyes with angelic expression and tell you a lie…this are the most recruitable: the people who lack moral principles, who are either too greedy or… suffer from self-importance, they feel they matter a lot, these are the people who KGB wanted very much to recruit…[the others] serve a purpose only at the rate of destabilization of a nation, for example your leftists in the United States…”

He is describing people who are not leftists, but who “can look into your eyes with an angelic expression and tell you a lie,” who are greedy, lack moral principles, who suffer from self-importance. Who do you think that is?

Jim Crow laws are not false history. The need for the Voting Rights Act is not false history. The laws in states such as mine that barred selling real estate to non-whites are not false history.

Being able to do sociological experiments that show that even now there are differences between how black and white applicants for housing and jobs are treated is not a false history.

If you cannot admit the demonstrable facts concerning racism in this country as it was and the extent to which it still is a fact of life, you are going to have zero credibility in conversations about race. Period.

If you are going to challenge over-simplified and unjust solutions that will not work, you cannot start by denying that there is even a problem. There is a problem. There are people who by accident of their skin color have important advantages that change the trajectory of lives and careers, advantages that they do not particularly deserve. It is an oversimplification to say that every person with a certain skin color enjoys those advantages, but it is not false to recognize that those undeserved advantages still exist.

More to the point, the bishops are teaching us the plain fact that racism is evil. They are correct.

 

[blackforest]

Because you said that you couldn’t remember anything positive I then questioned you whether this might indicate a biased course.

What???

Here is my post:

Western civilization is responsible for outstanding achievements in science, literature, and the arts, as well has horrific wars, genocides, and persecutions. You can’t deny either, and history isn’t black and white.

Is that not positive enough for you?

 

[blackforest]

“White privilege” is an invented term and concept by academia that allows them to attack western civilisation and by extension white people. It is a cover for real racism.

Interesting. Can you name a single, specific instance of modern-day racism in our culture being committed against an ethnic minority?

 

[kainosktisis]

At the risk of diverging into another topic, sometimes I think that our current immigration policies may in fact sometimes be a political display of racism. I say this as someone of mixed Latina heritage (Don’t get me started on what the DNA evidence turned up in my bloodlines) that has in fact observed in the news that sometimes when certain situations arise, it is no problem to speedily get something resolved - as in the case not too long ago to try to get little infant from the UK approval to come to the US or even the Vatican to get urgent medical care in a life-threatening situation. That is not the case for most people south of the border. Some on news blogs have posted some very hateful remarks regarding the people south of the border.

 

[PetraG]

What has more impact on someone’s life: talking about “white privilege” or “how to make better decisions”?

Why is there a dichotomy? If some people are gaining an unearned advantage because of un-examined bias–and I do believe that most bias is either un-examined or un-intended because few people set out to treat anyone else unfairly–of course a sensible person would want to remove barriers to making selections based on just and consciously-chosen goals.

 

[KMC]

KMC:

What has more impact on someone’s life: talking about “white privilege” or “how to make better decisions”?

Why is there a dichotomy? If some people are gaining an unearned advantage because of un-examined bias–and I do believe that most bias is either un-examined or un-intended because few people set out to treat anyone else unfairly–of course a sensible person would want to remove barriers to making selections based on just and consciously-chosen goals.

there shouldn’t be. My experience (and perhaps I’m lacking data points) is that there is a huge emphasis on “white privilege” and minimal emphasis (relatively speaking) on making good decisions. If you were to create a Pareto chart of the contributing factors to where a person is in life, I would think “white privilege”, either as a benefit to a white person, or a detractor to a non-white person, will rank below the kind of parents you had, the emphasis they put on education, how much money they have, the kind of choices you make, etc.

 

[KMC]

At the risk of diverging into another topic, sometimes I think that our current immigration policies may in fact sometimes be a political display of racism. I say this as someone of mixed Latina heritage (Don’t get me started on what the DNA evidence turned up in my bloodlines) that has in fact observed in the news that sometimes when certain situations arise, it is no problem to speedily get something resolved - as in the case not too long ago to try to get little infant from the UK approval to come to the US or even the Vatican to get urgent medical care in a life-threatening situation. That is not the case for most people south of the border. Some on news blogs have posted some very hateful remarks regarding the people south of the border.

I view it from a different perspective. My wife is a naturalized citizen from the Philippines. Her father followed the rules, and in doing so was separated from his children for a few years. Her relatives would like to come to our country and have to follow the rules, because they don’t have the benefit of a connecting border. The push today is amnesty for those who crossed illegally, thus giving them a cut in line ahead of those who are following the rules.

We might have common ground about “certain situations”…I would need to know more.

Blessings.

 

[PetraG]

there shouldn’t be. My experience (and perhaps I’m lacking data points) is that there is a huge emphasis on “white privilege” and minimal emphasis (relatively speaking) on making good decisions. If you were to create a Pareto chart of the contributing factors to where a person is in life, I would think “white privilege”, either as a benefit to a white person, or a detractor to a non-white person, will rank below the kind of parents you had, the emphasis they put on education, how much money they have, the kind of choices you make, etc.

If black men have to make it a point to teach their sons how to act around the police in order to avoid arrest, I’d say there is an emphasis on “making good decisions.”

As I said, sociologists who send out identical resumes for job listings have found that resumes headed with names like “Greg” get more interviews than the same resumes headed with names like “Jamal.”

https://cos.gatech.edu/facultyres/Diversity_Studies/Bertrand_LakishaJamal.pdf

How does the “you would get more opportunities if you just worked harder” theory deal with evidence like that?