Radical Environmentalism: Now Global Warming Causes Prostitution?

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some of my personal efforts:
no dishwasher
use a clothesline instead of the dryer. have one but use it rarely
natural gas hot water heater (used to be solar but the panels broke in a freeze and it is not cost effective to replace it. next solar system could be one of these)
natural gas home heating (keep winter temp at 19C 66F)
evaporative air conditioner rather than refrigerative (when temps hit 44C 111F outside, it is not very cool inside maybe 34C 93F and if it is humid, it doesn’t work at all :()
used water from the air conditioner is redirected to the lawn
gray water from clothes washer is also directed to the lawn
use cold water as preference for washing machine
use electric lights only when in room and only if necessary, such as night time
go to bed early
recycle paper, plastic, glass using council bins provided
use ā€˜green’ bags for shopping rather than get plastic (paper not available here)
reuse any plastic bags for home bins or take them to the supermarket for recycling.
don’t litter ever

and this is with believing that AGW is a complete and utter hoax with fabricated evidence and corrupt so-called scientists fiddling their research to produce desired results.
:clapping:

You’ve made my day! I know you will never believe in AGW, and I will never stop believing it is real (unless after some 20 years the scientists I respect say it is not).

I live in this world of terrible concern re AGW (and other enviro problems), not so much about myself, since I’m on my way out, but for the younger people and future generations.

It doesn’t matter why people reduce their environmental impact – there are many reasons to do so – only that they do it. And I am so happy so see some of those who believe AGW is a hoax doing that. That gives me some solace.
 
:clapping:

You’ve made my day! I know you will never believe in AGW, and I will never stop believing it is real (unless after some 20 years the scientists I respect say it is not).

I live in this world of terrible concern re AGW (and other enviro problems), not so much about myself, since I’m on my way out, but for the younger people and future generations.

It doesn’t matter why people reduce their environmental impact – there are many reasons to do so – only that they do it. And I am so happy so see some of those who believe AGW is a hoax doing that. That gives me some solace.
As we have been trying to explain, there is no moral high ground in AGW. We can be (and are) good stewards without believing we are causing or the main driving force behind climate change. However, I do believe that we do and often cause irreparable harm to our local habitats and ecology. Unfortunately for me, those pushing alternative fuels are no exception.
 
As we have been trying to explain, there is no moral high ground in AGW. We can be (and are) good stewards without believing we are causing or the main driving force behind climate change. However, I do believe that we do and often cause irreparable harm to our local habitats and ecology. Unfortunately for me, those pushing alternative fuels are no exception.
I’m thinking that within the AGW accepter group, there are environmentalist and non-environmentalists, compassionate people and heartless people (perhaps as in any group).

I have always been against food-to-fuel schemes since they were first brought up (the reason I was inspired to start reducing my GHGs back in 1990 was the thought that AGW was causing more severe droughts & famines in Africa).

I think it is people who do not want to change their lifestyles (reduce their driving by moving closer to work, etc, or look for other transportation modes) and who don’t care about the starving people of the world who are pushing this food-to-fuel biofuel thing. Also, I’ve heard that the GHG emissions involved in biofuels are more than in petroleum, when one considers the GHGs from agricultural (name removed by moderator)uts – water, fertilizers, machinery – digging up rainforests to get that bauxite for aluminum for tractors, etc.

I was sort of getting excited about biochar (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochar ), esp if it can be done on garbage, agri waste, and invasive species like the carrizo cane near our Rio Grande River. It is a process similar to the one that produced terra preta in ancient days, a very rich soil. It involves burning these things in a way that doesn’t allow much carbon to escape (pyrolysis), drawing down carbon from the atmosphere (by not putting the carbon from the plant growth back into the atmosphere), and it is a terrific soil amendment, improving crops, and apparently stays in the soil for 1000s of years (tho this has been questioned). There are some companies that have units that also use the heat generated and oil produced to help run the machinery, making it even more efficient.

But then a friend at BioFuelwatch.org alerted me to the fact that it hadn’t been studied enough, and there was the issue of charcoal dust flying loose during transportation contributing to the warming, etc.

I still hope it pans out that biochar is a solution, but will wait and see. Also I just heard of olivine (peridot) being a possible solution to draw down carbon.

Meanwhile, it’s just best for individuals to do what they can to reduce GHGs and other pollutants, and hopefully better tech solutions may arise.

Besides, as a Carmelite, I think it’s good to live a more frugal, sacrificial, detached life. So there are many arrows pointing to making sensible lifestyle changes, whether we do it to reduce AGW, other enviro problems, save money, or live a more Christian life. Either way, it is just good to do these things, and not wait around for magic bullets like biofuels, hoping they will solve problems without any effort or sacrifice on our parts.
 
New article … natural causes of climate change:

forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/01/10/global-warming-no-natural-predictable-climate-change/#comments_header%23comments_header

Worth the read.

Check out the graph; maybe someone with better computer skills than me can post the graph itself.

Click on the original article to see the graph.

The original article also has a bunch of links.

excerpt:

OP/ED | 1/10/2012 @ 4:12PM |3,862 views
Global Warming? No, Natural, Predictable Climate Change

An extensively peer-reviewed study published last December in the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics indicates that observed climate changes since 1850 are linked to cyclical, predictable, naturally occurring events in Earth’s solar system with little or no help from us. The research was conducted by Nicola Scafetta, a scientist at Duke University and at the Active Cavity Radiometer Solar Irradiance Monitor Lab (ACRIM), which is associated with the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. It takes issue with methodologies applied by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) using ā€œgeneral circulation climate modelsā€ (GCMs) that, by ignoring these important influences, are found to fail to reproduce the observed decadal and multi-decadal climatic cycles.

As noted in the paper, the IPCC models also fail to incorporate climate modulating effects of solar changes such as cloud-forming influences of cosmic rays throughout periods of reduced sunspot activity. More clouds tend to make conditions cooler, while fewer often cause warming. At least 50-70% of observed 20th century warming might be associated with increased solar activity witnessed since the ā€œMaunder Minimumā€ of the last 17th century.

Dr. Scafetta’s study applies an astronomically-based model that reconstructs and correlates known warming and cooling phases with decadal and multi-decadal cycles associated with influences of planetary motions, most particularly those of Jupiter and Saturn. This ā€œastronomical harmonics modelā€ was used to address various cycles lasting 9.1, 10-10.5, 20-21, and 60-62 year-long periods. The 9.1-year cycle was shown to be likely related to decadal solar/lunar tidal oscillations, while those of ten years and longer duration relate to planetary movements about the Sun that may have solar influences that modulate electromagnetic properties of Earth’s upper atmosphere which can regulate the cloud system.

Scafetta’s findings contradict IPCC claims that all warming observed from 1970 to 2000 has been man-made (ā€œanthropogenically-inducedā€) based upon models that exclude natural quasi 20-year and 60-year climate cycle contributions. These cycles have been clearly detected in all global surface temperature records of both hemispheres since 1850, and are also evident in numerous astronomical records. The 60-year cycle is particularly easy to observe in significant surface temperature maxima that occurred in 1880-1881, 1940-1941, and 2000-2001. These momentarily warmer periods coincided with times when orbital positions of Jupiter and Saturn were relatively close to the Sun and Earth.

A 60-year modulation cycle also corresponds with warming/cooling induced in the ocean surface which appears to correlate with the frequency of major Atlantic hurricanes, and is seen in the sea level rise since 1700 as well as in numerous ocean and terrestrial records dating back centuries. Further evidence of a 60-year cycle is referenced in ancient Sanskrit texts among observed monsoon rainfall cycles. Scafetta believes that a natural 60-year climate cycle associated with astronomical cycles may also explain calendars adopted in traditional Chinese, Tamil and Tibetan civilizations, since all major ancient civilizations knew about 20-year and 60-year Jupiter and Saturn cycles. Indeed, Scafetta pointed out to me that in the Hindu tradition, the 60-year cycle is known as the cycle of Brihaspati, the name of Jupiter, and that every 60 years special ceremonies are celebrated by some populations, such as the Sigui ceremony among the Dogon people of Africa.

Proper reconstructions of natural 20-year and 60-year cycles, along with other independent studies, indicate that the IPCC has seriously overestimated human climate contributions. For example, according to all GCM simulations, increased CO2 concentrations should have produced an increased tropical warming trend with altitude, which is contrary to what balloon and satellites observations actually show.
 
New article … natural causes of climate change:

forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/01/10/global-warming-no-natural-predictable-climate-change/#comments_header%23comments_header
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An extensively peer-reviewed study published last December in the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics indicates that observed climate changes since 1850 are linked to cyclical, predictable, naturally occurring events in Earth’s solar system with little or no help from us. The research was conducted by Nicola Scafetta, a scientist at Duke University and at the Active Cavity Radiometer Solar Irradiance Monitor Lab (ACRIM), which is associated with the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. It takes issue with methodologies applied by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) using ā€œgeneral circulation climate modelsā€ (GCMs) that, by ignoring these important influences, are found to fail to reproduce the observed decadal and multi-decadal climatic cycles.
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Even if these harmonics are causing climate changes of a horizontal sine wave nature, that does nothing to overturn the laws of physics involved in the GH effect. So what would happen is that during the low points of those harmonics, AGW would be ā€œmaskedā€ and it wouldn’t be getting very warm, but it wouldn’t be getting as cold as without AGW. And during the high points of those harmonics, we’d be in for much more warming than with just AGW – and it could get much more nasty than what any climate scientist is now predicting.

This is sort of similar to the solar cycle of increasing and decreasing irradiation, causing warming and cooling spells. We are in a solar minimum right now (and they think it might go into a deep solar minimum as happened during the maunder minimum or little ice age – tho in our time due to AGW, it is not causing cooling, only reducing the warming), but once we come out of it, then AGW will be piggy-backing on the solar warming for a much greater warming than if only one of these were operational.

Also, it is important to keep in mind that one study does not science make. It will have to stand the test of time re critiques by other scientists. (remember cold fusion in a jar or the piltdown man)

But we as laypersons concerned about life on planet earth don’t have much time, IF AGW is truly happening. We should be prudently mitigating AGW to the best of our ability right now, without harm to the common good, and esp in ways that help us and the economy. That’s the sensible thing to do. Halting our mitigation efforts for a couple of decades to see if this single study pans out or not is no wise for those who value life.

But anyway, I really do hope that study is correct, and AGW is negligible. Then we can all live happily ever after.
 
Here’s Gavin Schmidt’s response to it on RealClimate.org:
[Response: This is just another curve fit with no predictability. The analysis of the GCMs assumes (completely incorrectly) that all climate variability in them is forced and is misconceived from the get-go. Even volcanic impacts are ignored in favor of celestial forcings that are more akin to astrology than science. An embarrassment to the author and the journal. - gavin]
 
Even if these harmonics are causing climate changes of a horizontal sine wave nature, that does nothing to overturn the laws of physics involved in the GH effect. So what would happen is that during the low points of those harmonics, AGW would be ā€œmaskedā€ and it wouldn’t be getting very warm, but it wouldn’t be getting as cold as without AGW. And during the high points of those harmonics, we’d be in for much more warming than with just AGW – and it could get much more nasty than what any climate scientist is now predicting.
Actually…you’ve just shown the post-normal science ignorance, talked about, with this example.

Just how does it ā€œmaskā€ AGW?
Hint: look for the AGW’er hypothesis spike represented within the graph - say 1998’ish …** Is it there in the graph ] or not **? ] 😃

FANTASTIC FICTIONAL NONSENSE šŸ™‚
This is sort of similar to the solar cycle of increasing and decreasing irradiation, causing warming and cooling spells. We are in a solar minimum right now (and they think it might go into a deep solar minimum as happened during the maunder minimum or little ice age – tho in our time due to AGW, it is not causing cooling, only reducing the warming), but once we come out of it, then AGW will be piggy-backing on the solar warming for a much greater warming than if only one of these were operational.
Big problem with this post-normal science / post-normal logic…It defies historical observational evidence.

IF IT WERE TRUE…CO2 would never in history have been above 280 ppm So called ā€œper-industrialā€ levels ].
Also, it is important to keep in mind that one study does not science make. It will have to stand the test of time re critiques by other scientists.
HALF RIGHT… it isn’t Scientists… BUT OBSERVATIONAL evidence… that proves OR disproves.

Guess what the unproven post-normal science of AGW lacks?
(remember cold fusion in a jar or the piltdown man)
Right now - I place the hypothesis of AGW - without the observational evidence to support it - RIGHT along side these. AND there is no way for you, or anyone, to take it out of this list…UNTIL the observational evidence… supports the hypothesis…and projections of the models.
But we as laypersons concerned about life on planet earth don’t have much time,
Maybe it would be wise then to actually seek to rise to NORMAL SCIENCE LEVELS of validation? 🤷🤷
IF AGW is truly happening. We should be prudently mitigating AGW to the best of our ability right now,
Another Logic disconnect!
 
Here’s Gavin Schmidt’s response to it on RealClimate.org:
[Response: This is just another curve fit with no **predictability.
The analysis of the GCMs assumes (completely incorrectly) that all climate variability in them is forced and is misconceived from the get-go. Even volcanic impacts are ignored in favor of celestial forcings that are more akin to astrology than science. An embarrassment to the author and the journal. - gavin]

I have to give Mr Schmidt credit - This is a response fitting of post-normal science. šŸ™‚

How can I claim this? - RE-READ his answer :)šŸ™‚

Key word: His use of the wordā€¦ā€œpredictabilityā€ …
If he values ā€œpredictabilityā€ of evidence…IT applies as well, to the hypothesis and models of AGW. Remind me what is their thirty plus year… score?

Does Mr Schmidt understand astronomy astrophysics ] is not ā€œastrologyā€ . He seems confused. This AGW hypothesis was given emphasis / started by Mr Hansen…who is a what? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen
Hansen was born in Denison, Iowa. He was trained in physics and astronomy
Mr. Scafetta is a what?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Scafetta
Nicola Scafetta is a research scientist at Duke University Physics Department. … including astronomy, biology, climatology, economics, medicine, physics
The Paper is on WHAT? šŸ™‚

Mr Schmidt, tells it ALL…Where his, and other AGW’ers, value are / lay with this one wordā€¦ā€œpredictabilityā€ …It is not the Normal Science ā€œHOWā€ it works…they seek…It’s the post-normal science of being the Rain-man…:eek:

Hint: You really do your cause a disservice IMO when you post such nonsense. 🤷
 
I have to give Mr Schmidt credit - This is a response fitting of post-normal science. šŸ™‚

How can I claim this? - RE-READ his answer :)šŸ™‚

Key word: His use of the wordā€¦ā€œpredictabilityā€ …
If he values ā€œpredictabilityā€ of evidence…IT applies as well, to the hypothesis and models of AGW. Remind me what is their thirty plus year… score?

Does Mr Schmidt understand astronomy astrophysics ] is not ā€œastrologyā€ . He seems confused. This AGW hypothesis was given emphasis / started by Mr Hansen…who is a what? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen

Mr. Scafetta is a what?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Scafetta

The Paper is on WHAT? šŸ™‚

Mr Schmidt, tells it ALL…Where his, and other AGW’ers, value are / lay with this one wordā€¦ā€œpredictabilityā€ …It is not the Normal Science ā€œHOWā€ it works…they seek…It’s the post-normal science of being the Rain-man…:eek:

Hint: You really do your cause a disservice IMO when you post such nonsense. 🤷
Note: I REALLY bet Mr Schmidt rather you DON’T post his replies / comments here at CAF…where He and his MOD TEAM can’t restrict replies to such… If you like him - you might be doing him a great service not to post his comments ??? ]🤷
 
Some try to say that The Medieval Warm Period MWP ] and Little Ice Age LIA ] historical periods were confined to the Northern Hemisphere. [NH ].

I know LynnV has made mention of it before.

Of interest is this 2010 paper by no less than two of the Hockey Stick Team and IPCC members, that tried to at one time deny they existed.
Multiproxy summer and winter surface air temperature field
reconstructions for southern South America covering
the past centuries
R. Neukom • J. Luterbacher • R. Villalba • M. KuĀØ ttel • D. Frank • P. D. Jones • M. Grosjean •
H. Wanner • J.-C. Aravena • D. E. Black • D. A. Christie • R. D’Arrigo • A. Lara •
M. Morales • C. Soliz-Gamboa • A. Srur • R. Urrutia • L. von Gunten
geo.umass.edu/climate/papers2/Neukom_et_al_2010.pdf

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Working with 22 climate proxies, Neukom et al. developed a mean austral summer (December-February) temperature history for the period AD 900-1995 for the terrestrial area of the planet located between 20°S and 55°S and between 30°W and 80°W, a region they refer to as Southern South America (SSA). This record indicates that ā€œa warm period extended in SSA from 900 (or even earlier) to the mid-fourteenth century,ā€ which they describe as being temporally located ā€œtowards the end of the Medieval Climate Anomaly as concluded from Northern Hemisphere temperature reconstructions.ā€ And as can be seen from the figure below, the warmest decade of this Medieval Warm Period was calculated by them to be AD 1079-1088, which as best we can determine from their graph is about 0.17°C warmer than the peak warmth of the Current Warm Period. MWP: AD 900-1350.
co2science.org/data/mwp/images/l1_southensa.gif
 
Actually…you’ve just shown the post-normal science ignorance, talked about, with this example.

Just how does it ā€œmaskā€ AGW?
Hint: look for the AGW’er hypothesis spike represented within the graph - say 1998’ish …** Is it there in the graph ] or not **? ] 😃

FANTASTIC FICTIONAL NONSENSE šŸ™‚

Big problem with this post-normal science / post-normal logic…It defies historical observational evidence.

IF IT WERE TRUE…CO2 would never in history have been above 280 ppm So called ā€œper-industrialā€ levels ].

HALF RIGHT… it isn’t Scientists… BUT OBSERVATIONAL evidence… that proves OR disproves.

Guess what the unproven post-normal science of AGW lacks?

Right now - I place the hypothesis of AGW - without the observational evidence to support it - RIGHT along side these. AND there is no way for you, or anyone, to take it out of this list…UNTIL the observational evidence… supports the hypothesis…and projections of the models.

Maybe it would be wise then to actually seek to rise to NORMAL SCIENCE LEVELS of validation? 🤷🤷

Another Logic disconnect!
You obviously have not been reading the science. I suggest starting with articles over the past 10 years in SCIENCE, NATURE, PNAS, PHIL TRANS A, etc, and the WGI ā€œscienceā€ chapters of the IPCC, which do a great job explaining the science, bringing together the theories (laws of physics, etc) AND the observational data.

Science is a product of both theories and observational data.
 
Note: I REALLY bet Mr Schmidt rather you DON’T post his replies / comments here at CAF…where He and his MOD TEAM can’t restrict replies to such… If you like him - you might be doing him a great service not to post his comments ??? ]🤷
I respect the knowledge of Dr. Schmidt, a climate scientist at NASA, over the knowledge of an elementary school or high school kid, or even over that of a retired engineer from some oil company.
 
Some try to say that The Medieval Warm Period MWP ] and Little Ice Age LIA ] historical periods were confined to the Northern Hemisphere. [NH ].

I know LynnV has made mention of it before.

Of interest is this 2010 paper by no less than two of the Hockey Stick Team and IPCC members, that tried to at one time deny they existed.

geo.umass.edu/climate/papers2/Neukom_et_al_2010.pdf
Not sure what your point is. It’s been much hotter than that during global warming episodes, such as during the end-Permian extinction 251 mya (when over 90% of life on earth died) and PETM 55 mya.

That only proves that GW can happen, giving support for the current AGW, and that the earth systems are a lot more sensitive to various forcings than scientists earlier imagined.

If I made a mistake about the exact warming and extent of the MWP, then it was probably based on some faulty memory I had of reading something somewhere that was about something else, or maybe the scientists had been wrong in the past. I make no claim to being a scientist, but just ask readers to read the science themselves – the valid science, not the anti-science of skeptics, who are like a circular firing squad.
 
You obviously have not been reading the science.
If it is that ā€œobviousā€ you should be able to provide evidence of this claim.

If you can’t - it becomes less than ad hominem…Ad hominem are ā€œattacks against the manā€ but contain some truth, in order to not answer the unanswerable.

YOU KNOW that indeed, I DO read the science. AND that it is a fact… supported by my citations of THE SCIENCE.

Knowing the truth and making this false statement…is deliberately an uncharitable attempt to undermine my creditability IMO.

It reconfirms post-normal science mentality.

Your comment failed to address:

How does Mr Scafettas’ graph ā€œMask AGWā€ as you claim?

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/picture.php?albumid=1691&pictureid=11678

You also failed to acknowledge OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE that says CO2 levels during the 19th century show CO2 levels higher than 280ppm. at an average of approximately 340ppm.

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/picture.php?albumid=1691&pictureid=11558
It is clear how only low readings were chosen. Also notice how the slope and trend is changed compared to the entire record.
As Jaworowski notes,
The notion of low pre-industrial CO2 atmospheric level, based on such poor knowledge, became a widely accepted Holy Grail of climate warming models. The modelers ignored the evidence from direct measurements of CO2 in atmospheric air indicating that in 19th century its average concentration was 335 ppmv.
Beck recently confirmed Jaworowski’s research. A September 2008 article in Energy and Environment examined the readings in great detail and validated the 19th century findings. In a devastating conclusion Beck writes,
Modern greenhouse hypothesis is based on the work of G.S. Callendar and C.D. Keeling, following S. Arrhenius, as latterly popularized by the IPCC. Review of available literature raise the question if these authors have systematically discarded a large number of valid technical papers and older atmospheric CO2 determinations because they did not fit their hypothesis? Obviously they use only a few carefully selected values from the older literature, invariably choosing results that are consistent with the hypothesis of an induced rise of CO2 in air caused by the burning of fossil fuel.
So the pre-industrial level is at least 50 ppm higher than the level put into the computer models that produce all future climate predictions. The models also incorrectly assume uniform atmospheric global distribution and virtually no variability of CO2 from year to year.
westinstenv.org/palbot/2008/12/17/pre-industrial-co2-levels-were-about-the-same-as-today/
I suggest starting with articles over the past 10 years in SCIENCE, NATURE, PNAS, PHIL TRANS A, etc, and the WGI ā€œscienceā€ chapters of the IPCC,
Care to point me to OBSERVATIONAL EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE supporting model projections?
 
I respect the knowledge of Dr. Schmidt, a climate scientist at NASA, over the knowledge of an elementary school or high school kid, or even over that of a retired engineer from some oil company.
My my my…:D:D
or even over that of a retired engineer from some oil company.
Are you referring to Mr. Pachauri - A railroad engineer and invested in GloriOil,? šŸ™‚

That was a trick question ]

I know who you are referring to: Here’s the BIG PROBLEM - Mr Gavin Schmidt - Mr Mann - Mr Steig…Hate Mr McIntyre…BUT THEY RESPECT HIM AND HIS SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS šŸ™‚

Example one:

Mr Gavin Schmidt took scientific credit for errors… found by Mr McIntyre.

climateaudit.org/2009/02/03/gavins-mystery-man/

climateaudit.org/2009/02/04/gavins-mystery-man-revealed/
Alert: Real Climate Woes: Pielke Jr.: ā€˜Gavin Schmidt admits to stealing a scientific idea from his arch-nemesis, Steve McIntyre’ – February 4, 2009
Excerpt: This is not a hypothetical example, but a caricature of real goings on with our friends over at Real Climate . . .Due to an inadvertent release of information, NASA’s Gavin Schmidt (a ā€œreal scientistā€ of the Real Climate blog) admits to stealing a scientific idea from his arch-nemesis, Steve McIntyre (not a ā€œreal scientistā€ of the Climate Audit blog) and then representing it as his own idea, and getting credit for it. In his explanation why this is OK, Gavin explains that he did some work on his own after getting the idea from Steve’s blog, and so it was OK to take full credit for the idea…
Gavin’s outing is remarkable because it shows him not only stealing an idea, but stealing from someone who he and his colleagues routinely criticize as being wrong, corrupt, and a fraud. Does anyone wonder why skepticism flourishes? When evaluations of expertise hinge on trust, stealing someone’s ideas and taking credit for them does not help.
hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2009/02/remember-antarctic-warming-that.html
Schmidt’s Antics Prompts Laughter Scientist ā€˜ā€œHow am I supposed to get any work done when I am laughing so hard?ā€
Reaction By Climate researcher Dr. Craig Loehle, formerly of the department of Energy Laboratories and currently with the National Council for Air and Stream Improvements, who has published more than 100 peer-reviewed scientific papers.
ā€œHow am I supposed to get any work done when I am laughing so hard?ā€
climateaudit.org/?p=5093#comment-324316

This kid makes note that you don’t answer post 250 :D:p:eek:

You didn’t ask why I think Mr Schmidt would probably not want you to post his comments here at CAF…When you post them here…they go to search engines - so do the rebuttals šŸ™‚
 
That only proves that GW can happen,
Actually, wrong! It supports that Natural Global Warming DID happen.
giving support for the current AGW,
Actually wrong, it doesn’t support AGW claims.

If the MWP and LIA supported AGW claims they wouldn’t have done their best to disavow the existence of them.

It makes claims such as ā€œunprecedentedā€ -ā€œmitigation of CO2ā€ - "Mitigation of temperature rises…nothing more than hyperbole - post-normal science terms.
 
If it is that ā€œobviousā€ you should be able to provide evidence of this claim.

If you can’t - it becomes less than ad hominem…Ad hominem are ā€œattacks against the manā€ but contain some truth, in order to not answer the unanswerable.

YOU KNOW that indeed, I DO read the science. AND that it is a fact… supported by my citations of THE SCIENCE.

Knowing the truth and making this false statement…is deliberately an uncharitable attempt to undermine my creditability IMO.

It reconfirms post-normal science mentality.

Your comment failed to address:

How does Mr Scafettas’ graph ā€œMask AGWā€ as you claim?

You also failed to acknowledge OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE that says CO2 levels during the 19th century show CO2 levels higher than 280ppm. at an average of approximately 340ppm.
westinstenv.org/palbot/2008/12/17/pre-industrial-co2-levels-were-about-the-same-as-today/

Care to point me to OBSERVATIONAL EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE supporting model projections?
It seems you need to stop cherry-picking out-lier data and studies & look at the whole picture of all the science. If you really have questions about your odd science studies that seem to refute the mainstream science, then you ought to contact some real climate scientists about it, like over at RealClimate.org.

They do not moderate skeptical questions out, only nasty diatribes. I know, bec they have also refused to post some of my comments šŸ™‚

Just give it a try, see what they say about all your evidence. They are very open-minded.
 
It seems you need to stop cherry-picking out-lier data and studies & look at the whole picture of all the science.
:rotfl::rotfl:

Ahhhhhh…I don’t tell YOU what to write:)

YOU are the one with cherry piked claims šŸ˜›

I CHALLENGE YOUR CLAIMS - So if cherry - picked…It’s YOU 🤷

Actually, If you have bothered to keep up with my posts…
If you really have questions about your odd science studies that seem to refute the mainstream science,
No Ma’am…I’m here to refute your unsupportable claims šŸ™‚
then you ought to contact some real climate scientists about it, like over at RealClimate.org.
Processed chessseses… YOU do understand what processed cheese is made of - 90% oil made to look like cheese. ]

The scientific or lack of scientific ethics…is WHAT MADE ME A CLIMATE REALIST :rolleyes:

I find no reason to support a propaganda web page - devoted to belittling questioners - while employed by Tax payer funds.
They do not moderate skeptical questions out, only nasty diatribes. I know, bec they have also refused to post some of my comments šŸ™‚
Soooooo you posted nasty diatribes??? I mean, why else in your words would they not post your comments?
 
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