Radical Environmentalism: Now Global Warming Causes Prostitution?

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Also, I’ve been very critical of climate science and scientists myself – but in an oppositve direction. Scientists strive to avoid the FALSE POSITIVE (see my earlier post); they cannot afford to make false claims or their reputations will be harmed – they will be like the boy who called wolf. So they require .05 signficance (95% confidence) that there is an association, that AGW is happening. They are exceedingly conservative in their claims and if you read their peer-reviewed articles, you will see a bunch of caveats, etc. I call this the SCIENTIFIC MODEL.

Potential victims, policy-makers, and those concerned about life on planet earth, however, would be seeking to avoid the FALSE NEGATIVE, of doing nothing to mitigate global warming when it is actually happening. I call this the MEDICAL MODEL. For example, a doctor won’t tell his/her patient, “the test came back and there is only 94% confidence your lump is cancerous, so we won’t operate. Come back in a few years to see if it gets up to 95% confident.” This is also call the PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE. Or, in religious terms it’s called PRUDENCE, a word used in the U.S. Bishops’ 2001 statement on global warming – see usccb.org/sdwp/international/globalclimate.shtm. The other part of “the boy who called wolf” story is the villagers who failed to heed the warning and got eaten up.

When I came to understand I was contributing to AGW in 1990, even though science had not yet reached 95% confidence, I started mitigating. That same year JPII said it is everyone’s responsibility to mitigate AGW in his “Peace with All Creation” (1/1/90). He is a man I truly love and admire, as is BXVI.

Sometimes obedience is very difficult – some religious will tell you it is more difficult than celibacy or poverty.
 
I’ve been studying the science very closely for over 20 years. I did see programs on GW in the late 80s & I contacted the scientists and started reading their studies.** I’ve also been following the denialist campaign and have found it to be highly bogus.**
Please offer evidence of this statement
I would suggest you contact the scientists directly and express your doubts and ask for clarification. You can get in contact with many of them at www.realclimate.org . Also James Hansen has a webpage off of Columbia University, thru which you can contact him.
I have spent many hours resourcing just who realclimate and skepticalscience is. Some of my findings are hosted here on CAF
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Lets see…
One contributor at realclimate…was suspended from Wikipedia Mr Hansen All opposing views have been systematically removed ]
One contributor has a hockey stick…thrown out…Mr Mann
Emails…name all of them…and suppression…Mr. Mann …Mr. Hansen et al
And now tied to Fenton PR Environmental Media Services…Mr. Gore’s and friend Mr. Soros
Kids want our educational sources to be free / open… NOT hijacked
As always just my thoughts
These are very gracious, helpful people. I know their message is horrific and we are tempted to bury our heads in the sand, but Pascal (good Catholic & father of statistics) offers us laypersons a way to decide (look up Pascal’s wager on Wiki).
Mr Pascal’s refers to God…not politicized science…OR their schemes…ie. Carbon Credits…euthanizia …abortion…eugenics…on demand…these ARE the programs embraced as solutions by IPCC. We are called to be good stewards - when we embrace these politicized science junkets agendas / schemes…we embrace ALL their schemes.
THE FALSE POSITIVE: If anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is not happening, and we mitigate assuming it is, we will save lots of money and mitigate many problems (environmental and nonenvironmental) through energy/resource efficiency/conservation and alt energy.
How according to their schemes offered, are we to save lots of money and mitigate problems? Please prove this…this has gone unanswered every time I’ve asked this question
THE FALSE NEGATIVE: If AGW is happening and we fail to mitigate, assuming it is not happening, we will not only lose the savings and miss solving the problems mentioned above, but worst case we will end all life on planet earth thru tipping the climate into runaway warming, and best case we will tip it into climate hysteresis that could last over 100,000 years and kill off more than 75% of life on earth, including all or most of humanity (as happened during the end-Permian great warming and extinction when 95% of life died, tho triggered by natural causes and over a much longer time-scale).
AgW is nothing but theory…speculated subjective theory. AS is the calamities assigned to it.
Also if natural causes are causing GW, then that means we have to reduce our GHGs all the more to offset the harm nature is causing and keep the climate viable for the bulk of life on earth. The physics re GHGs causing warming, and the natural GH effect have been known for over 100 years.
If you are talking Carbon emissions…you might want to address why nurseries - greenhouses - increase greatly - the amounts of Carbon to foster plant growth.

May God have mercy on our souls…please keep us from the unscrupulous politicized science that turn us FROM You
 
Also, I’ve been very critical of climate science and scientists myself – but in an oppositve direction. Scientists strive to avoid the FALSE POSITIVE (see my earlier post); they cannot afford to make false claims or their reputations will be harmed – they will be like the boy who called wolf. So they require .05 signficance (95% confidence) that there is an association, that AGW is happening. They are exceedingly conservative in their claims and if you read their peer-reviewed articles, you will see a bunch of caveats, etc. I call this the SCIENTIFIC MODEL.

Potential victims, policy-makers, and those concerned about life on planet earth, however, would be seeking to avoid the FALSE NEGATIVE, of doing nothing to mitigate global warming when it is actually happening. I call this the MEDICAL MODEL. For example, a doctor won’t tell his/her patient, “the test came back and there is only 94% confidence your lump is cancerous, so we won’t operate. Come back in a few years to see if it gets up to 95% confident.” This is also call the PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE. Or, in religious terms it’s called PRUDENCE, a word used in the U.S. Bishops’ 2001 statement on global warming – see usccb.org/sdwp/international/globalclimate.shtm. The other part of “the boy who called wolf” story is the villagers who failed to heed the warning and got eaten up.

When I came to understand I was contributing to AGW in 1990, even though science had not yet reached 95% confidence, I started mitigating. That same year JPII said it is everyone’s responsibility to mitigate AGW in his “Peace with All Creation” (1/1/90). He is a man I truly love and admire, as is BXVI.

Sometimes obedience is very difficult – some religious will tell you it is more difficult than celibacy or poverty.
Actually, no Pope has subscribed to AGW - MMGW…
Global Climate is another issue entirely. AND it doesn’t include the schemes embraced by politicized science. The Vatican is very opposed to Abortion - eugenics - euthanasia. IPCC embrace them as Population Control - to reduce the affects of AGW - MMGW
 
I’ve got a radical idea – let’s put our time, energy and money into fighting ALL forms of pollution rather than concentrating (far too much in my mind) on AGW!!
While we’re at it, I’ve heard that there are some places that do not have quite enough drinking water. We could spend more effort attacking that problem.
“We” have gotten too caught up in one cause. Let’s fight all pollution and take care of ALL of God’s creation.

As we said in the 60s – make love, not pollution. (Or something like that.)
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Be Green - For the Right Thing…I am

Many, try to tie being good stewards to Climate Change…That is exactly what these people want to sell - sell it - you sell their schemes.
 
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Wait now, are those inconvenient truths:D:D
I guess I left one out:
  1. That we in the U.S. can do anything about it even if it’s true. There really isn’t any dispute about that. We can’t. We have already been overtaken by China in CO2 emissions, and India isn’t far behind. China builds a new coal-fired plant every ten days. Doubling Americans’ electricity bills and making food and products more expensive in the U.S. is not going to change worldwide CO2 levels.
 
Please offer evidence of this statement

I have spent many hours resourcing just who realclimate and skepticalscience is. Some of my findings are hosted here on CAF
forums.catholic-questions.org/album.php?albumid=693&pictureid=4847
forums.catholic-questions.org/album.php?albumid=693&pictureid=4846
forums.catholic-questions.org/album.php?albumid=693&pictureid=4848

Please read the comments under each picture.

Mr Pascal’s refers to God…not politicized science…OR their schemes…ie. Carbon Credits…euthanizia …abortion…eugenics…on demand…these ARE the programs embraced as solutions by IPCC. We are called to be good stewards - when we embrace these politicized science junkets agendas / schemes…we embrace ALL their schemes.

How according to their schemes offered, are we to save lots of money and mitigate problems? Please prove this…this has gone unanswered every time I’ve asked this question

AgW is nothing but theory…speculated subjective theory. AS is the calamities assigned to it.

If you are talking Carbon emissions…you might want to address why nurseries - greenhouses - increase greatly - the amounts of Carbon to foster plant growth.

May God have mercy on our souls…please keep us from the unscrupulous politicized science that turn us FROM You
Wow, kimmielittle! You da man!

Stan Max Kolbe, if he were here, would give you a Hooah!

Holy Cow. I have even more respect for you-than ever! 😉

God Bless.
+Peace Be With You.
Love, Dawn
 
When I was a kid in school, they told me we were headed for an ice age because the temperature of the earth was dropping. :hmmm: This was espoused by the IPCC scientist who worked for the U.N. and now says that even though he fudged the data there really is global warming. :ehh: I think he goes whichever way the wind blows.😛
 
When I was a kid in school, they told me we were headed for an ice age because the temperature of the earth was dropping. :hmmm: This was espoused by the IPCC scientist who worked for the U.N. and now says that even though he fudged the data there really is global warming. :ehh: I think he goes whichever way the wind blows.😛
Careful there Gal.
Them’s dangerous woids.
What are you? Some kind of Denier? :eek:
For many people that would make -]us/-] you a social outcast!
 
When I was a kid in school, they told me we were headed for an ice age because the temperature of the earth was dropping. :hmmm: This was espoused by the IPCC scientist who worked for the U.N. and now says that even though he fudged the data there really is global warming. :ehh: I think he goes whichever way the wind blows.😛
They told us the same thing in the early 1970’s. The ice age never developed. By the late 1970’s, the trendy crisis a-brewin’ was overpopulation; now we see that the population in Europe, Russia, North America, and parts of Asia, especially China and Japan, isn’t even keeping up to replacement levels.

Then came the early 1980’s, and the chicken little cry was the ozone hole over the South Pole. By the early 1990’s, the hole had closed up. Then in the late 1990’s, the global warming disaster gained steam, and remains in full cry today.

It’s all hogwash, every last bit of it. By 2020, nobody will remember “global warming”, and it’ll be some new form of “omagawdtheworld’sgonnaendifwedon’t do something!” crisis of the decade.

Pardon me if I don’t get all overly excited. The boy has cried wolf one too many times.
 
When I was a kid in school, they told me we were headed for an ice age because the temperature of the earth was dropping. :hmmm: This was espoused by the IPCC scientist who worked for the U.N. and now says that even though he fudged the data there really is global warming. :ehh: I think he goes whichever way the wind blows.😛
I think he goes whichever way the grant money might be.
 
Did you know that Global Warming causes indigestion among primates?:eek:

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/01/100111-global-warming-indigestion-monkeys-gorillas/

It can supposedly be at the root of whatever ails you.:rolleyes:

health.usnews.com/health-news/articles/2008/09/15/10-ways-global-warming-could-hurt-your-health.html

Global Warming is also causing more violent crime. So criminals will have a new defense. “It wasn’t my fault, Judge. The Global Warming made me do it.” 🤷

www.newswise.com/articles/iowa-state-researchers-present-study-on-how-global-climate-change-affects-violence

But what we really know is that Global Warming causes all the world’s problems. 😃
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLxicwiBQ7Q
 
I guess I left one out:
  1. That we in the U.S. can do anything about it even if it’s true. There really isn’t any dispute about that. We can’t. We have already been overtaken by China in CO2 emissions, and India isn’t far behind. China builds a new coal-fired plant every ten days. Doubling Americans’ electricity bills and making food and products more expensive in the U.S. is not going to change worldwide CO2 levels.
Yeppers!!!
 
Careful there Gal.
Them’s dangerous woids.
What are you? Some kind of Denier? :eek:
For many people that would make -]us/-] you a social outcast!
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Let’s call it GGW or GCC GodDriven Global Warming or GodDriven Climate Change.

We all know that Climate Changes. if we take God out of it and call it AGW or MMGW…who now becomes the deniers?
 
I think that to most earth worshippers, global warming is the devil.
 
Well, I guess ridicule and mockery are typical. They mocked Noah as he built his ark – probably told him the flood hoax was political.

They mocked Jesus and pressed a crown of thorns into his head.

My admiration for climate scientists has only increased for all the mockery and attacks they are receiving. Some 5-10 years ago, I thought they’d be going over to the dark side of big coal/oil, but they’ve stood firm. They are true heroes to me. RE the scientist at RealClimate – I know some of them personally. They are good people. Also there are 1000s of scientists who have evidence of AGW, not just the few at RealClimate.org. The science is very very robust; 95% confidence (.05 signif) was achieved in 1995, and the science has continued to get stronger and stronger with many many lines of support, not just tree ring proxies.

God is Truth, and scientific “truths” or findings deserve our respect, tho they be provisional and changeable, based on the best evidence & theory to date. Creation is sort of like another bible, created by God, and the scientists are like its exigetical theologians. I guess I grew up in a different era in the 50s, when there was some respect for science.

I understand “power is knowledge,” as Foucault said, and scientists have many ways of falsifying results – scientists from the Formaldehyde Institute were even thrown in prison for doing so. But you usually can smell a rat when they are telling you something is fine and okay & to continue with your way of life, not when they tell something is wrong and they don’t really have anything to sell you.

I am fortunate to have a pretty good science background. I’ve known about the natural greenhouse effect for over 40 years. And I was already into reducing my environmental harm since the 70s, when I came to understand how we were using up our finite resources; I had a sense at the time that is wasn’t right for future generations. So already for many decades I was making it a point to live close to work, and buy efficient cars, etc. I wasn’t too much of a hardship for me to mitigate AGW and reduce even further by 60% cost-effectively. Maybe also bec I’m a woman and concerned about the children and the unborn – I can’t risk their lives when the science on AGW is very robust, much more so than when I started following it closely 20 years ago.

All I ask is that even if you refuse to believe AGW is real and poses grave risks to life on earth, then please at least mitigate it in ways that save you money. I’m myself am against Cap & Trade (just a ploy to go on polluting, pretty much ineffective and only put money in the hands of big biz), and as JPII said it is everyone’s responsibility to mitigate. There are no silver bullets on this one. We all have to do our own part.

RE Pascal’s wager the main point I was making was the idea of the false positive and negative (this is one of the bases for hypothesis testing in science). However, to be more specific, if you wish, his wager is also about risking hell, which may be what people are doing by denying AGW and refusing to mitigate tho they’ve been told about it. Maybe I’m wrong but I think killing people thru AGW might land someone in a much hotter place than a globally warming world, and for all eternity, no less.

Please pray for me (I’ve also done my share of mocking and hope I never mock anyone again), and I’ll be praying for you all.
 
Well, I guess ridicule and mockery are typical. They mocked Noah as he built his ark – probably told him the flood hoax was political.

They mocked Jesus and pressed a crown of thorns into his head.

My admiration for climate scientists has only increased for all the mockery and attacks they are receiving. Some 5-10 years ago, I thought they’d be going over to the dark side of big coal/oil, but they’ve stood firm. They are true heroes to me. RE the scientist at RealClimate – I know some of them personally. They are good people. Also there are 1000s of scientists who have evidence of AGW, not just the few at RealClimate.org. The science is very very robust; 95% confidence (.05 signif) was achieved in 1995, and the science has continued to get stronger and stronger with many many lines of support, not just tree ring proxies.

God is Truth, and scientific “truths” or findings deserve our respect, tho they be provisional and changeable, based on the best evidence & theory to date. Creation is sort of like another bible, created by God, and the scientists are like its exigetical theologians. I guess I grew up in a different era in the 50s, when there was some respect for science.

I understand “power is knowledge,” as Foucault said, and scientists have many ways of falsifying results – scientists from the Formaldehyde Institute were even thrown in prison for doing so. But you usually can smell a rat when they are telling you something is fine and okay & to continue with your way of life, not when they tell something is wrong and they don’t really have anything to sell you.

I am fortunate to have a pretty good science background. I’ve known about the natural greenhouse effect for over 40 years. And I was already into reducing my environmental harm since the 70s, when I came to understand how we were using up our finite resources; I had a sense at the time that is wasn’t right for future generations. So already for many decades I was making it a point to live close to work, and buy efficient cars, etc. I wasn’t too much of a hardship for me to mitigate AGW and reduce even further by 60% cost-effectively. Maybe also bec I’m a woman and concerned about the children and the unborn – I can’t risk their lives when the science on AGW is very robust, much more so than when I started following it closely 20 years ago.

All I ask is that even if you refuse to believe AGW is real and poses grave risks to life on earth, then please at least mitigate it in ways that save you money. I’m myself am against Cap & Trade (just a ploy to go on polluting, pretty much ineffective and only put money in the hands of big biz), and as JPII said it is everyone’s responsibility to mitigate. There are no silver bullets on this one. We all have to do our own part.

RE Pascal’s wager the main point I was making was the idea of the false positive and negative (this is one of the bases for hypothesis testing in science). However, to be more specific, if you wish, his wager is also about risking hell, which may be what people are doing by denying AGW and refusing to mitigate tho they’ve been told about it. Maybe I’m wrong but I think killing people thru AGW might land someone in a much hotter place than a globally warming world, and for all eternity, no less.

Please pray for me (I’ve also done my share of mocking and hope I never mock anyone again), and I’ll be praying for you all.
I think it is easier to believe it MMCC is not real than to accept that our everyday actions may have an impact. Some at CAF use mocking and mutual congratulations to enhance the echo chamber of the deniers. Thank you for posting Pascal’s wager in light of this discussion.

I found the short video on cap and trade really educational - and see that as you point out this is certainly not the answer storyofstuff.com/
Blessings to you and my thanks for entering the discussion - your deeper level of knowledge and charity in communicating is appreciated.
 
Well, I guess ridicule and mockery are typical. They mocked Noah as he built his ark – probably told him the flood hoax was political.
Mr. Noah was obedient to the Lord - No contrived hockey sticks.
They mocked Jesus and pressed a crown of thorns into his head.
None of these people are Jesus. Jesus did no wrong…Statements like this - goes along way in gelling my thoughts about AGW being a religion, to some.
My admiration for climate scientists has only increased for all the mockery and attacks they are receiving. Some 5-10 years ago, I thought they’d be going over to the dark side of big coal/oil, but they’ve stood firm. They are true heroes to me. RE the scientist at RealClimate – I know some of them personally. They are good people.
So it’s good to edit all opposing views from Wikipedia and other sources?
God is Truth, and scientific “truths” or findings deserve our respect, tho they be provisional and changeable, based on the best evidence & theory to date. Creation is sort of like another bible, created by God, and the scientists are like its exigetical theologians.
This little crevate speaks volumes. Both in showing your religious views and your understanding of “Truth” and of Science. Truths would be absolutes. These scientists can’t prove CO2 is the causative - nor can they prove anything is an absolute truth, by not factoring in ALL parts of the equation.
I guess I grew up in a different era in the 50s, when there was some respect for science.
Many scientists are honorable people - respect is earned daily - As is disrespect.
I understand “power is knowledge,” as Foucault said, and scientists have many ways of falsifying results – scientists from the Formaldehyde Institute were even thrown in prison for doing so. But you usually can smell a rat when they are telling you something is fine and okay & to continue with your way of life, not when they tell something is wrong and they don’t really have anything to sell you.
Then please answer this one simple question, for me. Why would these scientist who promote this as truth - need to align themselves with falsehoods? Why do they allow WWF - Greenpeace - IPCC - Mr. Gore - Marie Stopes - Mr Singer…etc etc to promote lies hinged on their pristine “truths”?

I was taught you can’t get a clean pristine ] floor - by mopping it with muddy water. By association - the floor gets dirtier.
I am fortunate to have a pretty good science background. I’ve known about the natural greenhouse effect for over 40 years.
Then you know that water vapor is the largest green house emission And was ignored by these scientists until challenged.What part in the geo-electrical magnetic fields of the earth it is shifting according to scientists ] has a play in solar radiation?

The truth is: nothing else other than Methane and CO2 ] is taxable …and the easiest is CO2. To do this… would require a scientist to prove that CO2 IS the causative. Something, no scientist has yet done. We know that our Climate is ever changing…hat science has failed to do is attribute a “truth” to AGW as the sole agent.

If these scientists want to promote “truth” it needs no schemes attached to it. Polution and AGW are two entirely different donkeys. I need no scheme to know littering is bad.
And I was already into reducing my environmental harm since the 70s, when I came to understand how we were using up our finite resources; I had a sense at the time that is wasn’t right for future generations. So already for many decades I was making it a point to live close to work, and buy efficient cars, etc.
That comes under common sence and being a good steward… Not some scheme called AGW.
Be Green - For the Right Things …
If you really want to convert followers to responsible stewardship…you need no scheme. Especially an unproved - subject speculated theory.
I wasn’t too much of a hardship for me to mitigate AGW
How exactly did you 'mitigate AGW"? AGW is nothing more then subjective speculation - It will remain as such …until these scientists who promote it - ACT responsible and consider ALL of the equations. They have made a conscious effort to suppress these.
Maybe also bec I’m a woman and concerned about the children and the unborn
Then you were horrified that Abortion - eugenics - euthanasia are promoted by IPCC - as solutions to AGW? I’ve noticed the lack of environmentalists on the boards / threads concerning abortion. I guess we will see you there from now on?
– I can’t risk their lives when the science on AGW is very robust, much more so than when I started following it closely 20 years ago.
I can’t risk their lives on the Solutions to AGW as promoted by IPCC . Population Control via Abortion - eugenics - euthanasia.
All I ask is that even if you refuse to believe AGW is real and poses grave risks to life on earth, then please at least mitigate it in ways that save you money. I’m myself am against Cap & Trade (just a ploy to go on polluting, pretty much ineffective and only put money in the hands of big biz), and as JPII said it is everyone’s responsibility to mitigate. There are no silver bullets on this one. We all have to do our own part.
The Popes call us to good stewardship - not the promotion of dangerous schemes.
RE Pascal’s wager the main point I was making was the idea of the false positive and negative (this is one of the bases for hypothesis testing in science). However, to be more specific, if you wish, his wager is also about risking hell, which may be what people are doing by denying AGW and refusing to mitigate tho they’ve been told about it.
We’ve also been told Global Cooling…Cap and Trade is a ‘mitigatior’…Abortion saves lives now…

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Maybe I’m wrong but I think killing people thru AGW might land someone in a much hotter place than a globally warming world, and for all eternity, no less.
IT IS risking hell to promote Population Control - Clear and simple - This we do know!
Please pray for me (I’ve also done my share of mocking and hope I never mock anyone again).
Then you will fall unquestioning - for anything. Asking for evidence of statements made - is not mocking:)
 
I think it is easier to believe it MMCC is not real
Actually, without supporting evidence - including ALL factors…AGW - MMG is a falsehood. A highly subjective theory - no more.
than to accept that our everyday actions may have an impact.
No one is saying our actions don’t count. IMHO you really need to drop that line of debating - it serves you ill 🙂
Some at CAF use mocking and mutual congratulations to enhance the echo chamber of the deniers.
This is quite uncharitable…hmmmm I seem to remember a thread on vegetarians where you - yourself did congratulate those of like opinions to yours.
Thank you for posting Pascal’s wager in light of this discussion.
I wouldn’t try to use Pascal’s Wager in this debate - God’s law “Thou shalt not kill” is enough to rebuttal it’s use in the AGW schemes presented.
I found the short video on cap and trade really educational - and see that as you point out this is certainly not the answer storyofstuff.com/
The only solutions offered are Cap and Trade - Carbon Credits - Population Control by IPCC…As a Catholic, none of these are acceptable as solutions.
your deeper level of knowledge
Deeper knowledge than who, please?

I debate using logic / it’s laws - reason and evidence, Not the “feel good”:confused:
 
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