Rainbow Sashers Prepare for Pentecost

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I sent the rainbow sashers an e-mail asking them how they justify homosexual behavior according to Sacred Scripture and their reply was to ask me if I ever knew a homosexual couple and that the word of Christ…(their words) was not about my needs…didn’t know what they meant by that last comment and then they ended with “feel free to judge us as you will”…along those lines.

I responded by asking them to clarify their comment about the "word of Christ"comment, and then telling them that I do not judge them. But because I suffer from alcoholism, I do not seek to rally the Church to change its teachings about my "right"to drink myself to death. I ended it by saying that if they didn’t like the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church such as they have been for 2000 years then they ought to start one of their own like the Protestants did. This would at least demonstrate some integrity which they claim to have on their web-site. - Maranajewell

ps. How do you show outside e-mail on these forums? I would have published the e-mail comments here but do not know how. Oh well, the above was good enough I suppose. - God bless!
 
“Tolerance” You agree with everything we say and you don’t get to disagree or we will sue your pants off for discrimination.

Sorry. Do I sound bitter?

They are just simply breathing thin air. Look at Canada where priests over there are fined for speaking out against homosexuality. It seems to me that they take the state and raise it to an idolatrous level and divinize it.
 
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snowman10:
No you are dead on accurate. Coming from a liberal Methodist background, these are the things I wanted to flee, but at least they are not accepted by the Church. Praise God!

DU
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Snowman, I tell ya! I have already escaped liberal Methodism and have zero regrets other than I didn’t take the rest of my fellow parishioners with me. I simply do not understand why this little subset thinks that because they wish to engage in abnormal behavior that is very specifically so designated in the Bible, that we should simply ignore everything we see of the Word and capitulate to their oh so compelling (NOT) arguments.

Actually what I hope is that the priest simply gives them a blessing as they would anyone else not able to take Communion. That’s what I received before I was Catholic.

Lisa N
 
Lisa N:
Snowman, I tell ya! I have already escaped liberal Methodism and have zero regrets other than I didn’t take the rest of my fellow parishioners with me. I simply do not understand why this little subset thinks that because they wish to engage in abnormal behavior that is very specifically so designated in the Bible, that we should simply ignore everything we see of the Word and capitulate to their oh so compelling (NOT) arguments.

Actually what I hope is that the priest simply gives them a blessing as they would anyone else not able to take Communion. That’s what I received before I was Catholic.

Lisa N
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What are they gonna do…pull out a gun? Really, the Priest just needs to tell them that they either get right with the Church or get out. I believe in showing them how they are misguided and why they will not, should not, be given Communion.

DU

p.s…I’m almost a senior…yayyy!
 
Lisa N:
Snowman, I tell ya! I have already escaped liberal Methodism and have zero regrets other than I didn’t take the rest of my fellow parishioners with me. I simply do not understand why this little subset thinks that because they wish to engage in abnormal behavior that is very specifically so designated in the Bible,
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They might have a priest like mine… he once claimed that the Bible doesn’t say much about homosexuality…
 
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When will the Church say there is no reason to dialogue?

The Church SHOULD have a dialogue with them, and with all sinners, as Jesus did. But the message must be “Go and sin no more”. This is something many forget when they say Jesus accepted every sinners. He did so with the aim to convert them and to encourage them to stop sinning.

If the rainbow sash movement seek an open and honest dialogue, they must accept that their behaviours is condemned by the Church, and they must come with a repenting heart. ( dreaming is allowed, right?..)

p.s. by the way, i’m new here so I would like to extend my warm greetings to all of you!!
 
The reason they want dialogue is because they didn’t like the answer the Vatican gave them.
 
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p.s. by the way, i’m new here so I would like to extend my warm greetings to all of you!!
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Welcome!

Aunt Martha
 
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When will the Church say there is no reason to dialogue?

The Church SHOULD have a dialogue with them, and with all sinners, as Jesus did. But the message must be “Go and sin no more”. This is something many forget when they say Jesus accepted every sinners. He did so with the aim to convert them and to encourage them to stop sinning.

If the rainbow sash movement seek an open and honest dialogue, they must accept that their behaviours is condemned by the Church, and they must come with a repenting heart. ( dreaming is allowed, right?..)

p.s. by the way, i’m new here so I would like to extend my warm greetings to all of you!!
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First off, welcome!

Excellent point. I would like to add that Jesus had some hard teachings and when some desciples thought they were too hard to accept, he just let them walk away–he did not change or relax the teaching.
 
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**What dialogue are they speaking about? What is there to dialogue about? May I dialogue about having an affair on my wife.
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It sounds more like a monologue.

My response is simple. I say to them, you are very welcome in our Parish like every other sinner around you. However, it is not your place to determine what is and what is not sin. If you receive the Eucharist and have not confessed mortal sin, like me and the rest of us sinners, you will “sin against the Body and Blood of the Lord” (I Cor 11:27) and you “eat and drink a judgement on yourself” (I Cor 11:29). What is the potential risk of doing this? “That is why many among you are sick and infirm, and why so many of you are dying.” (I Cor 11:30).
 
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The_Vatican_Two:
They might have a priest like mine… he once claimed that the Bible doesn’t say much about homosexuality…
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No, it might not say much in terms of volume, but what it does say is clear and direct.
 
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JimO:
It sounds more like a monologue.

My response is simple. I say to them, you are very welcome in our Parish like every other sinner around you. However, it is not your place to determine what is and what is not sin. If you receive the Eucharist and have not confessed mortal sin, like me and the rest of us sinners, you will “sin against the Body and Blood of the Lord” (I Cor 11:27) and you “eat and drink a judgement on yourself” (I Cor 11:29). What is the potential risk of doing this? “That is why many among you are sick and infirm, and why so many of you are dying.” (I Cor 11:30).
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I wish a bishop would say that publicly.
 
For the record, Archbishop Harry Flynn and the Archdiocese of St. Paul/Minneaopolis have changed their policy – those wearing Rainbow Sashes will NOT be admitted to Holy Communion this year.

Some information on this is already on my blog, as soon as I can get a copy of the press release they faxed to the parishes I will post that too. Right now there is just a letter to the leader of the Rainbow Sash Movement here that he himself posted for us to see. But the press release says more, it was read to me over the phone.

See my blog below for more details as they become available.

+veritas+
 
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JimO:
My response is simple. I say to them, you are very welcome in our Parish like every other sinner around you. However, it is not your place to determine what is and what is not sin. If you receive the Eucharist and have not confessed mortal sin, like me and the rest of us sinners, you will “sin against the Body and Blood of the Lord” (I Cor 11:27) and you “eat and drink a judgement on yourself” (I Cor 11:29). What is the potential risk of doing this? “That is why many among you are sick and infirm, and why so many of you are dying.” (I Cor 11:30).
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where oh where is our reputation system when you need it?
 
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bones_IV:
Here’s their email. Tell them the truth.

sashmovement@aol.com
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my email to them

Subject: my prayers are with you

I just want you all to know that I pray every day for you. In my daily rosary, I pray for homosexuals, because they are tormented by such a weighty temptation. I pray that homosexuals will be filled with stength and that they will pick up their crosses and hear God’s call to all people to lead a chaste life. I pray that your movement will respect the holy sacrifice of the Mass and embrace humility, Church teachings and Biblical theology. May you be filled with wisdom and God’s grace. I pray that God will give you the courage to resist the notion that there is no such thing as sin. I pray that God will give you the courage to live lives of Christian holiness, devoted to the truth of Catholicism. I pray that God will give you the courage to open your mind to his teachings on the sacred nature of the created body. If there is anything else I may do to help you carry your cross, please let me know.
May God bless you abundantly in your spiritual battle against evil.
Sincerely,
[sweetchuck]
 
As is Tradition my left foot,very clever use of the word Tradition, I hope they bring a recent Bible to back up their version of Traditon.
 
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For the record, Archbishop Harry Flynn and the Archdiocese of St. Paul/Minneaopolis have changed their policy – those wearing Rainbow Sashes will NOT be admitted to Holy Communion this year.

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Here’s a link to the National Catholic Register story about how St. Paul Archdiocese will deny communion to the Rainbow Sashers.
ncregister.com/current/0515drake.htm
 
From Zenit.org

**Rainbow Sashes Not Welcome This Pentecost
**ST. PAUL, Minnesota, MAY 9, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Protesters using rainbow-colored garments to protest Church teaching on homosexuality will be denied Communion in the Cathedral of St. Paul this Pentecost.

Archbishop Harry Flynn of St. Paul and Minneapolis decided this year to change his policy toward the sash-wearers, one that has been more lenient the past four years.

In a letter to Brian McNeill, organizer of the Rainbow Sash Alliance USA, the archbishop explained that he allowed the sashes in the past “because you assured me that the wearing of the sash was not a denial of Church teaching,” reported the National Catholic Register.

“It has become apparent to me that the wearing of the sash is more and more perceived as a protest against Church teaching,” he said.

The group is an affiliate of the international Rainbow Sash Movement, begun in Australia in 1998, that uses colored sashes as a way of protesting the Church’s stance on gays.

“The Church’s criterion is the same for reception of the Eucharist worldwide,” said archdiocesan spokesman Dennis McGrath. “You have to be a Catholic in a state of grace. Either you accept Church teaching or you don’t.”
 
And still more dissent in the Minneapolis/St. Paul archdiocese:

thewandererpress.com/b5-12-2005.htm :banghead: :tsktsk: :mad:

The Sasher scene at the Cathedral is only the most visable symptom of a much deeper problem in the Twin Cities, as there is a very well organized dissent movement and homosexual subculture in the Catholic Church here.
 
Sd. These people think they can pull down the Church with their antics. I guess if they’re so angry, why don’t they just leave the Church and make their own? Then they could rant and rave all they want. Of course, in the end they have to face God’s Judgment, which they can never escape.
 
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