Ralphy's Questions for Catholics

[ralphy]

I had questions, and other remarks I wanted you to reflect on…and respond to. Here it is again.

What God wanted us to see, He made sure it was in written from, something that could not be changed, the Bible, the very word of God. Ralph

 

[CentralFLJames]

My friend, I was in the Roman catholic church for 43 yrs,and like they say, I have been there and done that. Ralph

I don’t believe a word of this. You have demonstrated not one iota of knowledge of Catholic teaching or faith. I would tell you something more direct and less charitable to your face if I ever saw you spouting this pigheaded nonsence and pretending you were ever a Catholic in public. You either are completely disingenuous in these forums or have some kind of emotional-intellectual challenge. For your sake I hope the latter since you have no other excuse anymore if you are here under false pretenses.

James

 

[Tomster]

My theology comes from the Bible and that is what a I quote. You will have to discuss the things you don’t believe with God Ralph

Ah, I see! Your own personal, man-made, Jesus and me tradition type of theology.

Are you aware that theology is a real science? It is a science which, through the combined lights of reason and divine revelation, treats of God and creatures in relationship to God. This is supernatural theology, which involves revelation on the part of God and faith on the part of man. Theology begins with fundamental principles taken without discussion from the sources of revelation (Holy Scripture and Tradition, which you deny,and interpreted by the living magisterium of the Church, which you also deny) and, analyzing and comparing them with the principles of reason, developes all their richness into a body of derived truths, which are called theological conclusions. This is something you have attempted to do on your own and made quite a mess of it. Theology, therefore, has the character of true science, which derives from the science of God Himself, as a finite radiation of it.

BTW- You still have not answerd my questions. What are you waiting for?

 

[ralphy]

I don’t believe a word of this. You have demonstrated not one iota of knowledge of Catholic teaching or faith. I would tell you something more direct and less charitable to your face if I ever saw you spouting this pigheaded nonsence and pretending you were ever a Catholic in public. You either are completely disingenuous in these forums or have some kind of emotional-intellectual challenge. For your sake I hope the latter since you have no other excuse anymore if you are here under false pretenses.

James

I have stated once befor that I am here to inject the truth of the Bible and not own thoughts into these conversations, for it is only by the word of God that we will be judged. You seem to be getting irritated by your unkind words. I would not say anything different to you, or use any different expressions if I were to meet you. Ralph

 

[CentralFLJames]

I have stated once befor that I am here to inject the truth of the Bible and not own thoughts into these conversations, for it is only by the word of God that we will be judged. You seem to be getting irritated by your unkind words. I would not say anything different to you, or use any different expressions if I were to meet you. Ralph

Then you have just admitted that you are here to prosetylize your own dogmas and Ralph’s religion. This is against forum rules and you must stop or be baned.

James

 

[ralphy]

Then you have just admitted that you are here to prosetylize your own dogmas and Ralph’s religion. This is against forum rules and you must stop or be baned.

James

I do not consider the word of God as “Ralphs” dogmas or “Ralphs” religion. It appears that you do not have much regard for the Word of God , as you claim to have, it seems to hit you pretty hard. You can sure cut me off, but God’s Word will prevail.I will follow His word. Ralph

 

[SteveGC]

What God wanted us to see, He made sure it was in written from, something that could not be changed, the Bible, the very word of God. Ralph

God made sure it was all in written form?

How did you come to believe this, ralphy? Is that written in Scripture somewhere?

How do you know the Bible hasn’t changed? Where did He promise that the Bible couldn’t be changed by man?

What if you bought a Bible that someone had edited? What if all they did was change one word in it? Is that impossible to do? What if that word was very important to salvation? What if they added the word “alone” somewhere? Just as an example.

God Bless

 

[Saint_Sinner]

I do not consider the word of God as “Ralphs” dogmas or “Ralphs” religion. It appears that you do not have much regard for the Word of God , as you claim to have, it seems to hit you pretty hard. You can sure cut me off, but God’s Word will prevail.I will follow His word. Ralph

Hi,
Is the Word of God a person or a thing? Jesus or is it the Bible? If Jesus, then the Word is more than the Bible and you may not subscribe to Sola Scriptura.

 

[Tomster]

God made sure it was all in written form?

How did you come to believe this, ralphy? Is that written in Scripture somewhere?

How do you know the Bible hasn’t changed? Where did He promise that the Bible couldn’t be changed by man?

What if you bought a Bible that someone had edited? What if all they did was change one word in it? Is that impossible to do? What if that word was very important to salvation? What if they added the word “alone” somewhere? Just as an example.

God Bless

You know Steve, I seem to recall something like that happened around the 16th century

 

[SteveGC]

Hi,
Is the Word of God a person or a thing? Jesus or is it the Bible? If Jesus, then the Word is more than the Bible and you may not subscribe to Sola Scriptura.

Right. In fact, Jesus is the Word made Flesh.

The WORD (before, during, and after it was made Flesh) is the entire essence of God, as I alluded to in my post above.

Either way, can’t be (and IS NOT) confined to a Book

 

[cazayoux]

What God wanted us to see, He made sure it was in written from, something that could not be changed, the Bible, the very word of God. Ralph

but HOW?
HOW did he make sure it was in written form?
HOW did he make sure we know what writing is and is not inspired by the Holy Spirit?

The answer to the HOW … is the CHURCH that He established which is the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

You tell me your understanding of HOW God did this.

michel

 

[cazayoux]

I do not consider the word of God as “Ralphs” dogmas or “Ralphs” religion. It appears that you do not have much regard for the Word of God , as you claim to have, it seems to hit you pretty hard. You can sure cut me off, but God’s Word will prevail.I will follow His word. Ralph

Ahh … but realize … that you don’t believe in the Word of God as written … you believe in an interpretation of God’s Word … that I’ll bet someone else gave to you.

You and I see the same scripture and have different understandings of what that scripture is actually saying. I do not recognize YOUR interpretation as scriptural.

You share a verse … I respond by sharing the context around that scripture and we should then discuss … but … you do not wish to discuss scripture. There is no reasoning in your discussion.

You do in fact follow some man’s religion … either your own, or the one that taught you or gave you a list of scriptures to cite. Have you actually even read the New Testament front to back on your own even once?

We have the MOST regard for the Word of God … and you should thank the Catholic Church for giving it to the world and protecting it for centuries upon centuries.

“Ralph’s Religion” is pretty shallow indeed, incapable of reasonably ***discussing ***scripture. Seems like lip service that you regard scripture so highly, but will not engage in discussion about it. You merely paste citations. “Ralph’s Dogmas” seem to be limited to listing citations without the need to understand scripture.

You say you will follow God’s Word … step one is to read it.

I’m anxious for you to make a dedicated effort to actually read the New Testament through.
Here’s a link to an online RSV (Revised Standard Version - Non-Catholic).
quod.lib.umich.edu/r/rsv/browse.html

If you prefer the language of the KJV (King James Version) here’s a link to this as well.
quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/browse.html

michel

 

[Tomster]

Ahh … but realize … that you don’t believe in the Word of God as written … you believe in an interpretation of God’s Word … that I’ll bet someone else gave to you.

You and I see the same scripture and have different understandings of what that scripture is actually saying. I do not recognize YOUR interpretation as scriptural.

You share a verse … I respond by sharing the context around that scripture and we should then discuss … but … you do not wish to discuss scripture. There is no reasoning in your discussion.

You do in fact follow some man’s religion … either your own, or the one that taught you or gave you a list of scriptures to cite. Have you actually even read the New Testament front to back on your own even once?

We have the MOST regard for the Word of God … and you should thank the Catholic Church for giving it to the world and protecting it for centuries upon centuries.

“Ralph’s Religion” is pretty shallow indeed, incapable of reasonably ***discussing ***scripture. Seems like lip service that you regard scripture so highly, but will not engage in discussion about it. You merely paste citations. “Ralph’s Dogmas” seem to be limited to listing citations without the need to understand scripture.

You say you will follow God’s Word … step one is to read it.

I’m anxious for you to make a dedicated effort to actually read the New Testament through.
Here’s a link to an online RSV (Revised Standard Version - Non-Catholic).
quod.lib.umich.edu/r/rsv/browse.html

If you prefer the language of the KJV (King James Version) here’s a link to this as well.
quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/browse.html

michel

Exactly and thank you very much.

 

[CentralFLJames]

I do not consider the word of God as “Ralphs” dogmas or “Ralphs” religion. It appears that you do not have much regard for the Word of God , as you claim to have, it seems to hit you pretty hard. You can sure cut me off, but God’s Word will prevail.I will follow His word. Ralph

Ralph I am going to give it to you straight. YOU are NOT in possession of God’s word nor are you a spokesperson for God. You might have a bible but you do not have a license to drive it or to preach it. Most of what you say is "God’s Word’ is nothing but YOUR personal interpretation and it sounds almost NOTHING like what the apostle’s actually taught. You have consistently ducked the counter questions Catholic here have given you and gone full circular on your script that starts off with the phrase “You will be judged by God’s Word”. Yet Ralphy does not speak God’s word nor does Ralphy have the spiritual insight to answer the questions we have given you.

James

 

[adriancombe]

My intent in joining this forum was to inject the bible into any conversation that I may have to further the kingdom of Christ,that is to let God do the speaking through His word. I am convinced at this point that Roman catholics value “tradition” taught by the Roman catholic church as being more correct than scripture and therefor tend to follow that teaching. I came out of the Roman catholic church after I started reading the bible and found out what Christ required of me and now I try to live by His word. Ralph

Ralph:

There are three main things referred to as the ‘Word of God’ in the New Testament.

1. Christ Himself.
2. The Gospel as preached orally by the Church.
3. The Written Scriptures.

Based on your extensive personal study, between 2 & 3, which meaning is more frequently intended by phrases such as ‘the Word of the Lord’ and ‘God’s Word’ when they are used in the New Testament Scriptures?

HINT: If your answer is 3, you will be asked to substantiate that claim.

-Adrian

 

[ralphy]

God made sure it was all in written form?

How did you come to believe this, ralphy? Is that written in Scripture somewhere?

How do you know the Bible hasn’t changed? Where did He promise that the Bible couldn’t be changed by man?

What if you bought a Bible that someone had edited? What if all they did was change one word in it? Is that impossible to do? What if that word was very important to salvation? What if they added the word “alone” somewhere? Just as an example.

God Bless

Someone did just that, maybe they didn’t take the bible itself and change the words in the book, but they sure added many things to fit between the lines to suit "their " religion.They are called ROMAN catholics. Ralph

 

[ralphy]

God made sure it was all in written form?

How did you come to believe this, ralphy? Is that written in Scripture somewhere?

How do you know the Bible hasn’t changed? Where did He promise that the Bible couldn’t be changed by man?

What if you bought a Bible that someone had edited? What if all they did was change one word in it? Is that impossible to do? What if that word was very important to salvation? What if they added the word “alone” somewhere? Just as an example.

God Bless

The dead sea scrolls will verify the Bible. Ralph

 

[ralphy]

Ralph I am going to give it to you straight. YOU are NOT in possession of God’s word nor are you a spokesperson for God. You might have a bible but you do not have a license to drive it or to preach it. Most of what you say is "God’s Word’ is nothing but YOUR personal interpretation and it sounds almost NOTHING like what the apostle’s actually taught. You have consistently ducked the counter questions Catholic here have given you and gone full circular on your script that starts off with the phrase “You will be judged by God’s Word”. Yet Ralphy does not speak God’s word nor does Ralphy have the spiritual insight to answer the questions we have given you.

James

I pretty well gave you scripture for all the email I have sent to you. Which is more than you did for me. Your religion is mostly based on Roman catholic teaching which does not have too much scripture attached…Raph

 

[CentralFLJames]

The dead sea scrolls will verify the Bible. Ralph

Are you making a prophecy here? If not can you point to the chapter and verse that tell us the dead sea scrolls verify the bible. For that matter can you point to a verse in the bible that verifies a single book of the bible?

James

 

[ralphy]

Are you making a prophecy here? If not can you point to the chapter and verse that tell us the dead sea scrolls verify the bible. For that matter can you point to a verse in the bible that verifies a single book of the bible?

James

I cannot offer a bible verse yet,but I will work on it. Ralph