Ralphy's Questions for Catholics

[ralphy]

Instead of giving us a Bible, why did God not give us Gospel tracts? If everything one needs to know is contained in the tract, to omit all that fluff and other unnecessary stuff that we find in the Bible?

I do not as a christian omit anything from the bible and neither do I add anything to it. These Gospel tracts explain the plan of salvetion very clearly, and they are easier to carry than the whole bible. In fact God did give us the Gospel tracts as they are part of His word. Ralph

 

[Ceil-1]

And another thing, you need to get your information from more than a silly tract. Your eternal soul is at stake, and you are getting your entire wealth of information from a tract? I don’t mean to insult your intelligence, but, maybe you should study up on a subject, before you present yourself as a self-proclaimed expert on it.

 

[cazayoux]

I do not as a christian omit anything from the bible and neither do I add anything to it. These Gospel tracts explain the plan of salvetion very clearly, and they are easier to carry than the whole bible. **In fact God did give us the Gospel tracts as they are part of His word. **Ralph

Not so … He gave us the WHOLE bible, not citations.
As a matter of fact, the tracts you hold which cite book, chapter number, verse number, are not actually giving the inspired, inerrant Word of God.

The title to the letter, the chapter numbers, and the verse numbers are NOT part of the inspired scripture. That was all added later.

I’ve given you this example before … in the example below, this is what I see in my bible. The inspired text is in red.

THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO
MATTHEW

The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
1 The book of genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2 Abraham was …

You should realize that you rely on Catholic Tradition to even tell you that this is from Matthew, since the inspired text does not tell us the author.

If your tract says Matt 1:1, then it doesn’t include anything that is considered inspired text. It’s tradition that told you it was Matthew, chapter 1, verse 1.

michel

 

[allhers]

I do not as a christian omit anything from the bible and neither do I add anything to it. These Gospel tracts explain the plan of salvetion very clearly, and they are easier to carry than the whole bible. In fact God did give us the Gospel tracts as they are part of His word. Ralph

Well, while your tracts might contain some of the words of the Bible, they are not the Bible is what they are telling you and may not be correct in all the other things they say.

The Catholic Church believes that we should interpret Scripture by using Scripture.

 

[jmcrae]

I do not as a christian omit anything from the bible and neither do I add anything to it. These Gospel tracts explain the plan of salvetion very clearly, and they are easier to carry than the whole bible. In fact God did give us the Gospel tracts as they are part of His word. Ralph

My experience of Gospel tracts is that they omit a great deal of essential information. One is being asked to sign a radically incomplete document, while being given the impression that the few verses of Scripture contained in it are everything that one needs to know before committing oneself to the Christian life.

 

[ralphy]

Heb 9:27
[27] And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment,

This is not in conflict with Catholic teaching at all.

Matt 12:32
[32] And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Catholics read ALL of scripture.
What does the non-Catholic Christian do with this passage regarding the unforgivable sin?
This sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
If your interpretation of Heb 9:27 were correct, there would be no need for the last half of the verse Matt 12:32. But it’s there.

It seems there are sins, not against the Holy Spirit, that can be forgiven either in this age or in the age to come.

michel

I assume that you are aware that there are two types of judgements, the “white throne” judgement and the “judgement seat of Christ”. The white throne judgedment is for the unsaved, the judgement seat of Christis is for the saved. I believe that the unpardonable sin is the Rejection of the Holy spirit when the Holy Spirit has one under conviction to be saved,and one refuses to accept this gift,almost persuaded. Ralph

 

[cazayoux]

I assume that you are aware that there are two types of judgements, the “white throne” judgement and the “judgement seat of Christ”. The white throne judgedment is for the unsaved, the judgement seat of Christis is for the saved. I believe that the unpardonable sin is the Rejection of the Holy spirit when the Holy Spirit has one under conviction to be saved,and one refuses to accept this gift,almost persuaded. Ralph

This still does not explain what Matt 12:32 is saying.
There are sins that are forgivable in this age or the age to come.

How is this so?

 

[ralphy]

Sin, is by definition, a rejection of God’s will. You seem to beleive that sin has no ramifications. Well, you are clearly wrong. Have you ever read the story of the woman caught in adultery (John 8: 3-11). In case you haven’t, Here it is:
Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery and made her stand in the middle. They said to him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of committing adultery. Now in the law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” They said this to test him, so that they could have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with his finger. But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he bent down and wrote on the ground. And in response, they went away one by one, beginning with the elders. So he was left alone with the woman before him. Then Jesus straightened up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” She replied, “No one, sir.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, (and) from now on do not sin any more.”

Note, she is a sinner. Jesus saves her but he also tells her to sin no more. This in an analogy for all of us.

After you are saved (we believe this happens when we are baptized), you need to live lives of holiness to continue being saved, Just as he told the adulteress. Like her, if we return to our sins, we will no longer be saved.

Here is a short but true version on how to be saved: By grace are you saved through faith: Read Eph 2:8,9. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. NOT by baptism. Ralph

 

[paul_c]

I assume that you are aware that there are two types of judgements, the “white throne” judgement and the “judgement seat of Christ”. The white throne judgedment is for the unsaved, the judgement seat of Christis is for the saved. I believe that the unpardonable sin is the Rejection of the Holy spirit when the Holy Spirit has one under conviction to be saved,and one refuses to accept this gift,almost persuaded. Ralph

Where do you get your information that there are two judgement seats? What scripture supports that? We believe that everyone is judged at the moment of death, whether they be saved or condemned. At the end of time, there will be a final judgment since of course, not everyone will have died at that point.

And by the way, why are two different seats required. It sounds like the judgement is already complete since everyone is already divided into being either saved or condemned.

 

[jmcrae]

I assume that you are aware that there are two types of judgements, the “white throne” judgement and the “judgement seat of Christ”. The white throne judgedment is for the unsaved, the judgement seat of Christis is for the saved. I believe that the unpardonable sin is the Rejection of the Holy spirit when the Holy Spirit has one under conviction to be saved,and one refuses to accept this gift,almost persuaded. Ralph

There is only one Judgment, which takes place at the moment of death.

This judgment will then be made public on the Last Day, at the Judgment of the Nations, when it will be revealed to all, who is in Hell, and who is in Heaven. But there will not be any reversal of the judgment given at the moment of death - those who went to Hell will remain in Hell, and those who went to Heaven will be resurrected in their bodies to rule over the new Heavens and the new Earth.

 

[ralphy]

And another thing, you need to get your information from more than a silly tract. Your eternal soul is at stake, and you are getting your entire wealth of information from a tract? I don’t mean to insult your intelligence, but, maybe you should study up on a subject, before you present yourself as a self-proclaimed expert on it.

The information on the Gospel tract is Gods word, if you think that is silly,you should reconsider that statement. Ralph

 

[AwGusTeen]

I assume that you are aware that there are two types of judgements, the “white throne” judgement and the “judgement seat of Christ”. The white throne judgedment is for the unsaved, the judgement seat of Christis is for the saved. I believe that the unpardonable sin is the Rejection of the Holy spirit when the Holy Spirit has one under conviction to be saved,and one refuses to accept this gift,almost persuaded. Ralph

Nice try Ralphy, but you cannot ignore what michel pointed out in Matt 12:32 which clearly shows, directly in scripture, that there are some sins that can be forgiven after death (I.e. the next world). Now, if there is no mechanism for this process of forgiving sins after death (or purging remaining sins from the saved), then you have a big problem with the man-made doctrine of scripture alone AND Matt 12:32.

 

[jmcrae]

The information on the Gospel tract is Gods word, if you think that is silly,you should reconsider that statement. Ralph

It contains a few Scripture quotations that have been pulled out of context and then rearranged, to make it look as though the Bible says things that the writers of the Scriptures could never have even thought of.

 

[ralphy]

Where do you get your information that there are two judgement seats? What scripture supports that? We believe that everyone is judged at the moment of death, whether they be saved or condemned. At the end of time, there will be a final judgment since of course, not everyone will have died at that point.

And by the way, why are two different seats required. It sounds like the judgement is already complete since everyone is already divided into being either saved or condemned.

You can find “White throne” judgement in Rev 20:11-15, this judgement is for the unsaved. The judgement seat of God is found in Romans 14:10, this is the judgement of the saved, not for their sins, for they are forgiven, but for any works they have done (which if they stand the test of fire) will have some value,and they will receive awards. Ralph

 

[ralphy]

It contains a few Scripture quotations that have been pulled out of context and then rearranged, to make it look as though the Bible says things that the writers of the Scriptures could never have even thought of.

Do you have some of these tracts? Ralph

 

[paul_c]

Here is a short but true version on how to be saved: By grace are you saved through faith: Read Eph 2:8,9. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. NOT by baptism. Ralph

Ralph, I’m going to show you how dangerous it is to use Bible tracts. If you go one more sentence in Ephesians: you find that we are created for good works.

Ephesians 2;10
For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them

Sure we are saved by faith and we demonstrate that Faith through Baptism, by which your sins are foregiven and you become a member of the Body of Christ, The Catholic church. Want scriptural proof? What did Peter tell the people to do at Pentacost?

ACTS 2: 37-39:
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and they asked Peter and the other apostles, “What are we to do, my brothers?” Peter (said) to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit. For the promise is made to you and to your children and to all those far off, whomever the Lord our God will call.”

 

[AwGusTeen]

You can find “White throne” judgement in Rev 20:11-15, this judgement is for the unsaved. The judgement seat of God is found in Romans 14:10, this is the judgement of the saved, not for their sins, for they are forgiven, but for any works they have done (which if they stand the test of fire) will have some value,and they will receive awards. Ralph

Ralphy:
Neither of those scripture passages delineate between a judgment for the saved and another judgment for the unsaved. That sounds like your interpretation, and a skewed one at that. Now, would you please address the various posts about Matt 12:32 and how some sins are forgiven after death?

 

[paul_c]

You can find “White throne” judgement in Rev 20:11-15, this judgement is for the unsaved. The judgement seat of God is found in Romans 14:10, this is the judgement of the saved, not for their sins, for they are forgiven, but for any works they have done (which if they stand the test of fire) will have some value,and they will receive awards. Ralph

Are you suggesting that there is more to heaven than just being with God? What are these rewards you suggest?

 

[cazayoux]

Here is a short but true version on how to be saved: By grace are you saved through faith: Read Eph 2:8,9. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. NOT by baptism. Ralph

Again, you contradict scripture by not reading all of it.

1 Pet 3:21
[21] Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

michel

 

[Dchsknight]

You can find “White throne” judgement in Rev 20:11-15, this judgement is for the unsaved. The judgement seat of God is found in Romans 14:10, this is the judgement of the saved, not for their sins, for they are forgiven, but for any works they have done (which if they stand the test of fire) will have some value,and they will receive awards. Ralph

Ralph, You right here are a prime example of Protestants taking Scripture out of Context. Rom 14:10 is Paul talking about Believers Judging each other, it says “Why, then does one of you make himself Judge over his brother, and why does another among you despise his brother? All of us will have to stand in front of the Judgment- seat of God:” Then 11 goes on to say, “As Scripture says, ‘by my own life’ says the lord 'Every knee shall bow, and every tounge shall give glory to God.” Paul is saying, Be careful of Judging others because will all stand before God. Has nothing to do with saying that there is two thrones. The only thing that indicates that there are more thrones is with the elders in Rev. But, they are not equal with God. There is only One Throne… It belongs to God and there is only One Judgment, not 1,2,3,4,5, but one.

Also it is not for the Unsaved, it is for every one, Because Rev chapter 20 goes on to say that the De.ad of the Earth shall be judged, then the sea shall give up her De.ad to be judged and then all who are alive on earth shall be judged, then De.ath and Hades shall be cast into the Fiery pit, then all of those who’s name is not int he lamb’s book of life are cast in too. you really Should read all of the Chapter not just a tiny part and pull it out and twist it to fit you.