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Salaam/peace;
cathopologist said:
… there are Muslims who break fast midway (either to smoke or drink a glass of water) when no other Muslim friend, colleague or relative is looking. .
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lol …God is wathcing us .

so if anybody eats /drinks secretly s/he knows very well that no reward from God Almighty on the last day.

Also , punishment for breaking fast intentionally ( if s/he is sick then it’s allowed ) is 60 fasts for 1 day. So any believer must not do such a crazy thing.

Also , Ramdan does not only mean fasting . We have to offer specail prayer besides our 5 times obligatory prayers.

The special prayer is called Tarabi/ Tarawi . Imam recites the whole Quran from memory during Ramadan. It took more than one hour each session .

we must not backbite , must not utter nasty words…that will make our fast weak or invalid . We must give charity , no close relationship between husband & wife during day time . etc etc .

**"…And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew." **(Q 2:184)
 
Sam_777 said:
:eek: You did that while you are a Muslim !!!
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**Yes, it is true while I was a Muslim. It was a gift. I accepted it, did not open it. I passed it on to the friends who were drunkards, who loved it. I do not know if I did the right thing.

Most Muslims will believe that it was somethign wrong and I have also to believe that perhaps it was something that I did wrong.

But at that time it did not appear to me as wrong. Wine was free for me in England, France, Germany. But i did not go near the wine and women, Al hamdu Lillah.
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Sister_Amy said:
It’s well-known that some Muslims have totally missed the point of fasting and they take the month of work and don’t do anything but sit around and then pig out at fast-breaking.
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I agree.
But that’s wrong–even to Muslims, that’s wrong.
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I have to get up at 4:45am to eat a small meal before the fasting begins.
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I hear Muslims in other countries do that, waking up in midnight to eat, but that’s not practised here in SA, people/shops will not sleep/close till morning!
And then once time comes to break the fast I only get a small meal, eating a lot is too heavy and very uncomfortable–
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In Saudi Arabia we eat dates with buttermilk, try that its really a delicious combination.
Reversing my sleep schedule? Not hardly! I have to get up earlier, and I go to bed later… so even though so Muslims do what you described that certainly isn’t the appropriate way. And at night I’m sleeping as much as I can (between 11:30-4) and can’t just eat all the time. During the day I have school, work, homework, and prayers. And you better believe by the time afternoon starts rolling around, it ain’t easy.
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May God The Most High be with you to show you (and my flesh) his love through Lord Jesus.
 
M W has looked after all the querries of the christian friends very well. I am happy that answers are correct and style very gentle. May Allah bless her with more knowledge and perseverence.
 
planten said:
M W has looked after all the querries of the christian friends very well. I am happy that answers are correct and style very gentle. May Allah bless her with more knowledge and perseverence.
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And may God The Most High show her the true religion.
 
BeeSweet said:
I really don’t understand the point of the Ramamdan fast. It was explained to me that it teaches a person self-discipline and self-control. Do they observe it as a form of penance?
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Some historical sources say that it was taken from the “Mandaeism” مندائية, they used to fast 36 days:

الصيام الصغير و هو الامتناع عن تناول لحوم الحيوانات و ذبحها خلال أيام محددة من السنة تصل إلى 36 يوما لاعتقادهم بأن أبواب الشر مفتوحة تكون عندها مفتوحة على مصراعيها فتقوى فيها الشياطين و قوى الشر لذلك يسمونها بالأيام المبطلة

Most Muslims here in Saudi Arabia fast 36 days, 30 days for Ramadan plus 6 days the following month (Shawwal) called “the six white days” الايام البيض.

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Muslim_Woman said:
Also , punishment for breaking fast intentionally ( if s/he is sick then it’s allowed ) is 60 fasts for 1 day. So any believer must not do such a crazy thing.
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Welcome Muslim Woman to CAF & peace to you too,

I think you are speaking about the atonement and only in the intentional cases, which is one of these three possibilities:
  1. Freeing a slave.
    If he/she can not find, then:
  2. Fasting two months consecutively (60 days).
    If he/she can not fast, then:
  3. Feeding 60 indigent.
So if someone can’t fast two months consecutively, then he/she can choose to feed 60 indigent.
 
Salaam/peace;
Sam_777 said:
Some historical sources say that it was taken from the “Mandaeism”
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don’t know what is it . Fasting was compulsory for the beleivers of the past , too .

Most probably not in the month of Ramadan but at different time.

Here is a verse :

“O you who believe!

Observing As-Sawm (the fasting) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become

Al-Muttaqoon (the pious)”

[al-Baqarah 2:183]
Most Muslims here in Saudi Arabia fast 36 days, 30 days for Ramadan plus 6 days the following month (Shawwal) called “the six white days” الايام البيض.
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Fasting in Ramadan is a must . Others are extra . We are encouraged to observe those . Not only Muslims in Saudi Arabic , others also observe these 6 extra fasting .
 
Salaam/peace

planten : M W … May Allah bless her with more knowledge and perseverence.



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Sam_777 : And may God The Most High show her the true religion.

–God the most kind , Ever merciful did that alreadly 🙂

Praise be to God only.
 
I lived in Mombassa for a time and it seemed to me that this holiday was outragous! From sun up to sun down there was quiet and no food but the moment the sun set it was party town. The best food could be bought at that time. That is not fasting! Sorry. I also disagree when the Koran states that “God forbid that he should begat a son” or that Mary gave birth by a palm tree. I’m glad I can do that on this forum for if I lived in a Islamic Country I would be persecuted if not killed. I find no mercy there. Disagreement comes at a price. I also find it interesting that the Koran says that the faithful should ambush and lay seige to the people of the book unless they repent and pay the alms levy. Yet every book in the Koran say in the name of the compasionate and merciful. Yep oxymoron.
 
I think that we should be remembering what islam has brought to our shores. It has not been the peace and comfort that they want us to believe.

september11news.com/

It will soon be the anniversary of 9/11 and for me it was the beginning of my journey to find out why they hate us. Why all the attacks on our shores, why 9/11, and why all the attacks against our citizens overseas. And why do muslims go on TV and say they don’t believe in suicide bombers while they indeed do dance and ulalate over them and are joyous that Jews are killed, or while they continually aim for children and young people’s places that they hang out. If those muslims are against it - why don’t they stop those ‘errant’ muslims? Well, to find out that what those ‘errant’ muslims are doing is just fine, and it is just fine to say whatever they want to us infidels. And all of this can all be summed up in a very, few words… because mohammed said. it is all in the koran and hadiths.

In ‘Ask about Islam’, I posted (#266, page 18)about basic jihad - an islamic basic principle.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=4148119#post4148119
 
cathopologist–I think you’re jealous that Catholics don’t have Ramadan. It’s like your heart is just calling you to fast, because you can see there is benefit in fasting and prayer. And you hate to see Muslims leave this precious act of worship because you know how beautiful it is. I think to you, Ramadan indicates the superiority of Islam.

Go on… go to some of your Muslim friends and ask them to help you learn how to fast. 🙂
 
Sister_Amy said:
cathopologist–I think you’re jealous that Catholics don’t have Ramadan. It’s like your heart is just calling you to fast, because you can see there is benefit in fasting and prayer. And you hate to see Muslims leave this precious act of worship because you know how beautiful it is. I think to you, Ramadan indicates the superiority of Islam.

Go on… go to some of your Muslim friends and ask them to help you learn how to fast. 🙂
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Yeah, that is why mohammed didn’t bother to observe it.

Here is some info from the surah and hadith on mohammed’s breaking ramadan:

The conquest of Mecca began in the month in which the Qur’an prohibited fighting. **Tabari VIII:160 **“Allah’s Apostle set out on the expedition against the people of Mecca in the month of Ramadan.” The prophet wasn’t religious; he knew Islam’s “holy months” were a farce. After all, he had stolen the dogma from a pagan.

But why do Muslims follow a prophet who so blatantly ignored his god’s orders? Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

‘using every stratagem of war’ means that fool the infidels into thinking that Ramadan is not for fighting, then “have at it” after they are lulled into complacency.
 
R_not said:
Yeah, that is why mohammed didn’t bother to observe it.

Here is some info from the surah and hadith on mohammed’s breaking ramadan:

The conquest of Mecca began in the month in which the Qur’an prohibited fighting. **Tabari VIII:160 **“Allah’s Apostle set out on the expedition against the people of Mecca in the month of Ramadan.” The prophet wasn’t religious; he knew Islam’s “holy months” were a farce. After all, he had stolen the dogma from a pagan.

But why do Muslims follow a prophet who so blatantly ignored his god’s orders? Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

‘using every stratagem of war’ means that fool the infidels into thinking that Ramadan is not for fighting, then “have at it” after they are lulled into complacency.
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All the millions and millions of people for 1400 years, and still counting, that have died because of this guy - mohammed. And they say ‘peace be upon him’ and call him holy.:nope:

There is something wrong with this picture and all they do is congratulate themselves for continuing to believe even if we bring up all of this.
 
tGette said:
Ramadan is definitely one of the highlights of Islam. This holy month was one of the things that attracted me to the piety of Islam. Admittedly, Islam does have some pious practices.

I guess I was wondering if anyone might be using this as an opportunity to do more fasting, to fast with the Muslims (or fast for the Muslims), etc.

Maybe some of you do not have fasting as a part of your prayer life?
If not…why not?
If so…what does your fast involve?

I know we have Lent (I do not feel like a lot of take advantage of it though); I feel like we could learn some things from how devoted Muslims are to this month of Ramadan.

Any thoughts…Thanks!

…Please I do not want this to turn into Islam bashing…
Thanks again!
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**Not all Muslims participate in Ramadan, just as not all Catholics participate in Lent.

I never thought about making fasting a part of my “prayer life” because I never really thought about doing so.

During my Lenten fast (and Advent fasting), I try to personally follow the fasting rules of the Orthodox churches in the east as they seem more meaningful to me. I don’t believe we have to look to other religions to gain the value of fasting and discipline practices as we have them right here in our own backyard. We just have to take time to smell the roses.**
 
peary1 said:
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**Not all Muslims participate in Ramadan, just as not all Catholics participate in Lent.

I never thought about making fasting a part of my “prayer life” because I never really thought about doing so.

During my Lenten fast (and Advent fasting), I try to personally follow the fasting rules of the Orthodox churches in the east as they seem more meaningful to me. I don’t believe we have to look to other religions to gain the value of fasting and discipline practices as we have them right here in our own backyard. We just have to take time to smell the roses.**
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A post on topic, Alleluia!

Well…you are right in that we have a lot of treasure in The Church which is still to be dug up!

I also agree with the Orthodox disciplines of fasting.

Though, I do like that it is at my own volition to fast. Not that this means I can be lazy about it, but that it can be used to uniquely mold to my life. (Schedules, diets, etc.)

Don’t get me wrong, I do enjoy the discipline of a “required fast” also.

Fasting has helped me spiritually and it is an important part of prayer that a lot of people seem to lack…probably because they do not see it as a prayer and as an inconvenience.

Fasting at least weekly is a wise thing. How one chooses to adopt this is up to them. Whether they want to begin by skipping one meal, doing a complete fast for a full 24 hours (though water is still a must), or eating only meagerly through one day, or eating meagerly at one meal the whole week.

I think abstaining from meat on Fridays is a wonderful tradition that the Church should “enforce” more. The symbolism of it is wonderful!

I love that we can each choose a way that works for us and see how our fasting habits grow from there.
 
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