Rand Paul: Without change, GOP will "not win again in my lifetime"

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So you think Hillary is more radical than Bill, who was willing to compromise with Newt?(I’m on a first-name basis with all of them.) BTW, if not Jeb, what about another run by Newt in 2016?
Her early history was more radical, and Bill Clinton at least purported to support Hillarycare, though some doubt he was serious about it. But nobody but Bill Clinton (and possibly Hillary) knows what he really thought about many things. He didn’t have much choice but to compromise with Gingrich, but he was willing to see the government shut down on more than one occasion in opposing Repub measures. So it’s hard to know.

Newt Gingrich would have no chance at all in the Repub primary, let alone in a national election, notwithstanding his very capable debating ability, unless something truly dramatic happens. About the only possibility i could see of his winning would be if, by 2016, this country is so beaten up economically and internationally that the electorate is sufficiently desparate for relief that it will ignore the media entirely. That could happen, but it would take a lot more than is on the horizon at present.
 
Until the GOP gets back to its roots and forgets the Tea PartyTed Cruz types of politicians, I agree that the chances of retaking the executive branch is slim to none. There needs to be a viable GOP candidate who doesn’t run women, minorities and the educated into the other party`s arms. Jeb Bush might be a good choice.🤷
 
I think the people on here debating third parties need to step back and look at how the Two party system is not only almost exclusive to the US, but is extreamly ineficient compaired to a multiparty system. If the US was to have say a 4 party system (let’s say a libertarian and a socialist party) our system would require compromise and defeat the current ideological gridlock in our government. Even if both these new party’s held only say 15% each of congressional seats, with the republicans and democrats fighting for the remaining 70% then it would be near impossible for one party to gain a majority, forcing compromise and coalition building.

The current two parties hate this idea which is why they have structured the election system the way it is, making third party’s lives extreamly difficult.
I vote third party but gridlock is a *good *thing because it means the government isn’t doing anything.

And a government that isn’t doing anything is much less likely to cause harm.

Activist governments are the worst.
 
I vote third party but gridlock is a *good *thing because it means the government isn’t doing anything.

And a government that isn’t doing anything is much less likely to cause harm.

Activist governments are the worst.
Well, regardless of gridlock, if we get four or eight years of Hillary, the country may be so far gone as to be unsalvageable.
 
Until the GOP gets back to its roots and forgets the Tea PartyTed Cruz types of politicians, I agree that the chances of retaking the executive branch is slim to none. There needs to be a viable GOP candidate who doesn’t run women, minorities and the educated into the other party`s arms. Jeb Bush might be a good choice.🤷
Perhaps you could describe for us what you think its “roots” are. I am not able to determine that from your post.

I don’t personally find Cruz terribly attractive, though i would vote for him over Hillary without hesitation. The question is whether others will find him attractive. I hate to say it, but I think his appearance just isn’t right. A better looking guy doing the very same thing would probably generate more followers.

I am not a Tea Partier, but I know some of them. There’s really nothing outrageous about the ones I know. They’re just people who are more outspoken about taxes and government regulation than most. They’re like one’s second cousin or one’s aunt Sally, once one gets to know them. Not anti-woman (lots of them are women). Not anti-minority. And I think studies have shown that they’re considerably more educated than most, by and large.

I think maybe you’re adopting the mainstream media version of Tea Partiers as a group of howling monkeys in lieu of the reality. On the assumption the majority of the Tea Partiers are like the ones I know, the Repub party can’t blow them off or it wouldn’t have enough supporters left to win anything.

The Dem party has people who are so far left there’s little to distinguish them from communists. It also has people who are business types, labor types, academic types. It has some of the best and worst educated people in the country.

The difference is that the Dem party does not allow for dissent within its ranks. There’s no real diversity in it anymore, though there once was. I know. I was a Dem party activist for many years, but left when my wife (also an activist) was told she couldn’t encourage recruitment of prolife candidates because it was “divisive” to do it. Look at the Dems in congress. They do what they’re told to do like so many Politburo members of old, and applaud what at least some few of them must surely find abhorrent.

The Repub party has not figured out quite how to deal with the diversity within its ranks. It’s not a totalitarian party and its adherents, unlike Democrats nowadays, resist regimentation. The question is not who the Repubs throw out, but how they manage to accommodate the diversity already within the party. So far, they haven’t done a good job of it.
 
The Repub party has not figured out quite how to deal with the diversity within its ranks. It’s not a totalitarian party and its adherents, unlike Democrats nowadays, resist regimentation. The question is not who the Repubs throw out, but how they manage to accommodate the diversity already within the party. So far, they haven’t done a good job of it.
No, they haven’t done a good job of it. The biggest problem, though, that I have seen in both parties is (even if it’s not completely true, it sure appears that way) the insistence on not compromising on ANYTHING. There are non-negotiable items (most especially abortion), but there also should be items that should be able to be negotiated (such as the tax code, immigration, etc.). For the fringes of both parties (which seem to control the primary process), the insistence is that nothing is up for negotiation.

I used to frequent a political forum. It allowed people of all stripes, but most of the posters were quite leftist. According to many of the posters there, the Dems have gotten too conservative. According to many of the posters here, the GOP has gotten too liberal. Let’s just step back a little bit.

The truth is, the elected officials of both parties actually have gotten more “conservative” since the 1960s on many economic matters. ObamaCare is actually more conservative than HillaryCare, which itself was more conservative than NixonCare. Bill Clinton favored NAFTA and deregulation. The primary reason Obama decided to increase regulation was due to the economic collapse - which convinced him that deregulation went too far - but his economic policies, just like GW Bush’s before him, have primarily helped Wall Street executives and megacorporations. Obama is also willing to make changes to Medicaid and Social Security that his base is infuriated with (they want no changes at all - not even to the retirement age), yet they are changes that do not go far enough for the GOP base, which supported them until Obama did, and then insited that they weren’t enough.

On the other hand, both parties have become more “liberal” on social issues, especially same-sex “marriage” and the reluctance of some GOP governors to endorse pro-life legislation due to fear of blowback.

Regardless, though, the GOPs problem with Hispanics has a lot to do with the fact that many Hispanics who are either legal residents in the United States or US citizens have family members who are undocumented. These people are fighting for their family members, especially if said family members are their own parents and/or siblings. And then, they get told that the 14th amendment shouldn’t apply to them, either, because their parents weren’t US citizens, and that the purpose of the 14th amendment was to make sure that former slaves would have the same rights. In other words, they’re pretty much told by the GOP that “We don’t want you here, even though you agree with us on pretty much everything but immigration”. So, they get accepted by the Dems with open arms, with the intent of brainwashing them to their point of view.

The problem the GOP has with African Americans has to do with the Dixiecrats leaving the Dem party for the GOP after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed and Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”. Remember, before the 1960s, most Blacks were Republicans due to Lincoln, and due to the GOP being formed as the anti-slavery party.

Women have always been a Democratic party constituency. The feminist movement embraced the Democratic Party, and used the Dem party to push forth its goals, namely, women’s suffrage. Honestly, for decades, many leaders in the feminist movement and in the NAACP were at odds, and believed that only one of the two groups would receive rights.

The reason why the Catholic Church was a solidly Democratic constituency for decades goes back to the Civil War, where working Catholics in the North were afraid that freed slaves would take their jobs. This partnership held together the until the 1980 election campaign, when Reagan railed against Roe v. Wade 6 years after the case had been decided. Still, up through the 1990s, there were many pro-life Catholic Democrats in elected positions at both state and national levels (they became a slowly dying breed after the 1992 Democratic National Convention, though, and are now nearly non-existent).

Regardless, the GOP has to find a way to mend bridges with the constituencies that they have all but pushed into the Dem party base. Get people like Alveeda King to explain to Blacks how PP has destroyed their race, not in a preachy way, but in a way that gently opens their eyes. Find a way to improve the immigration system that is both just and merciful, and don’t rail against people who were brought over as little children, were raised in the US, and, quite frankly, might not even know that they’re not US citizens until they try to apply for a job or for college.

And… finally, GOPers, stop being callous delta bravos when discussing issues such as abortion - it really plays into the Dems “War on Women” meme. Instead of Akin’s “legitimate rape” comment, say something like, “I know that it’s quite an ordeal when a woman becomes pregnant due to rape. It’s relatively uncommon, but it happens. It’s also understandable that women in this situation want help, real help. Unfortunately, for many women in this situation, the only advice they get is to abort their children. Relatively few get actual help that would allow them to carry their children - who have done nothing wrong other than the manner they were conceived - to term, which has been shown to help in the healing process. Most women who conceive children through rape and decided to keep their children do so in the face of rampant opposition. Maybe, though, if abortion were made illegal again, these women would be able to receive some real help.”
 
I vote third party but gridlock is a *good *thing because it means the government isn’t doing anything.

And a government that isn’t doing anything is much less likely to cause harm.

Activist governments are the worst.
I must agree with that, unfortunately whichever party is in power for the last 20 years has ALWASE extended government. But if a 3rd party, especialy one like the libertarians who agree with one side or the other dependin on various issues (as opposed to socialists who NEVER agree with the GOP) could get the deciding portion of votes in a split hous they could do some work.

Image a senate with 40 Dems, 40 GOP, and 20 Libertarians, they now have the deciding vote. Side with the republicans on gun control, most fiscal issues, the Dems on certain social stuff, and anyone who will listen (generally the party out of the White House) against forgien intervention. 20% is all it would take.
 
No, they haven’t done a good job of it. The biggest problem, though, that I have seen in both parties is (even if it’s not completely true, it sure appears that way) the insistence on not compromising on ANYTHING. There are non-negotiable items (most especially abortion), but there also should be items that should be able to be negotiated (such as the tax code, immigration, etc.). For the fringes of both parties (which seem to control the primary process), the insistence is that nothing is up for negotiation.

I used to frequent a political forum. It allowed people of all stripes, but most of the posters were quite leftist. According to many of the posters there, the Dems have gotten too conservative. According to many of the posters here, the GOP has gotten too liberal. Let’s just step back a little bit.

The truth is, the elected officials of both parties actually have gotten more “conservative” since the 1960s on many economic matters. ObamaCare is actually more conservative than HillaryCare, which itself was more conservative than NixonCare. Bill Clinton favored NAFTA and deregulation. The primary reason Obama decided to increase regulation was due to the economic collapse - which convinced him that deregulation went too far - but his economic policies, just like GW Bush’s before him, have primarily helped Wall Street executives and megacorporations. Obama is also willing to make changes to Medicaid and Social Security that his base is infuriated with (they want no changes at all - not even to the retirement age), yet they are changes that do not go far enough for the GOP base, which supported them until Obama did, and then insited that they weren’t enough.

On the other hand, both parties have become more “liberal” on social issues, especially same-sex “marriage” and the reluctance of some GOP governors to endorse pro-life legislation due to fear of blowback.

Regardless, though, the GOPs problem with Hispanics has a lot to do with the fact that many Hispanics who are either legal residents in the United States or US citizens have family members who are undocumented. These people are fighting for their family members, especially if said family members are their own parents and/or siblings. And then, they get told that the 14th amendment shouldn’t apply to them, either, because their parents weren’t US citizens, and that the purpose of the 14th amendment was to make sure that former slaves would have the same rights. In other words, they’re pretty much told by the GOP that “We don’t want you here, even though you agree with us on pretty much everything but immigration”. So, they get accepted by the Dems with open arms, with the intent of brainwashing them to their point of view.

The problem the GOP has with African Americans has to do with the Dixiecrats leaving the Dem party for the GOP after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed and Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”. Remember, before the 1960s, most Blacks were Republicans due to Lincoln, and due to the GOP being formed as the anti-slavery party.

Women have always been a Democratic party constituency. The feminist movement embraced the Democratic Party, and used the Dem party to push forth its goals, namely, women’s suffrage. Honestly, for decades, many leaders in the feminist movement and in the NAACP were at odds, and believed that only one of the two groups would receive rights.

The reason why the Catholic Church was a solidly Democratic constituency for decades goes back to the Civil War, where working Catholics in the North were afraid that freed slaves would take their jobs. This partnership held together the until the 1980 election campaign, when Reagan railed against Roe v. Wade 6 years after the case had been decided. Still, up through the 1990s, there were many pro-life Catholic Democrats in elected positions at both state and national levels (they became a slowly dying breed after the 1992 Democratic National Convention, though, and are now nearly non-existent).

Regardless, the GOP has to find a way to mend bridges with the constituencies that they have all but pushed into the Dem party base. Get people like Alveeda King to explain to Blacks how PP has destroyed their race, not in a preachy way, but in a way that gently opens their eyes. Find a way to improve the immigration system that is both just and merciful, and don’t rail against people who were brought over as little children, were raised in the US, and, quite frankly, might not even know that they’re not US citizens until they try to apply for a job or for college.

And… finally, GOPers, stop being callous delta bravos when discussing issues such as abortion - it really plays into the Dems “War on Women” meme. Instead of Akin’s “legitimate rape” comment, say something like, “I know that it’s quite an ordeal when a woman becomes pregnant due to rape. It’s relatively uncommon, but it happens. It’s also understandable that women in this situation want help, real help. Unfortunately, for many women in this situation, the only advice they get is to abort their children. Relatively few get actual help that would allow them to carry their children - who have done nothing wrong other than the manner they were conceived - to term, which has been shown to help in the healing process. Most women who conceive children through rape and decided to keep their children do so in the face of rampant opposition. Maybe, though, if abortion were made illegal again, these women would be able to receive some real help.”
This is a fantastic sum up of our current situation, love the political history 👍
 
The truth is, the elected officials of both parties actually have gotten more “conservative” since the 1960s on many economic matters. ObamaCare is actually more conservative than HillaryCare, which itself was more conservative than NixonCare. Bill Clinton favored NAFTA and deregulation. The primary reason Obama decided to increase regulation was due to the economic collapse - which convinced him that deregulation went too far - but his economic policies, just like GW Bush’s before him, have primarily helped Wall Street executives and megacorporations. Obama is also willing to make changes to Medicaid and Social Security that his base is infuriated with (they want no changes at all - not even to the retirement age), yet they are changes that do not go far enough for the GOP base, which supported them until Obama did, and then insited that they weren’t enough.
Well, if one leftist program is not as leftist as another, you can’t really call it “more conservative” - it is simply toned down leftism. Obama was the most liberal voting senator while in the senate. Obama used the economic downturn to implement his programs - which were naturally statist. Do you remember his chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel saying, “never waste a crisis” ? Agree that Obama’s and W’s policies have helped people on wallstreet. The GOP base does not trust Obama on Medicaid or SS, and rightly so considering what he has done in office.
On the other hand, both parties have become more “liberal” on social issues, especially same-sex “marriage” and the reluctance of some GOP governors to endorse pro-life legislation due to fear of blowback.
I would just add that many GOP legislatures have passed pro-life measures. The 2012 ticket was pro-life. Gay marriage is a different story, perhaps owing to the power of the gay lobby and the current trend toward acceptance of gay “marriage.” True - many in the GOP are cowards on this issue, probably because they know they’ll be branded as bigoted homophobes if they vote against the gay agenda.
Regardless, though, the GOPs problem with Hispanics has a lot to do with the fact that many Hispanics who are either legal residents in the United States or US citizens have family members who are undocumented. These people are fighting for their family members, especially if said family members are their own parents and/or siblings. And then, they get told that the 14th amendment shouldn’t apply to them, either, because their parents weren’t US citizens, and that the purpose of the 14th amendment was to make sure that former slaves would have the same rights. In other words, they’re pretty much told by the GOP that “We don’t want you here, even though you agree with us on pretty much everything but immigration”. So, they get accepted by the Dems with open arms, with the intent of brainwashing them to their point of view.
I don’t think its quite that simple. The GOP is split on this issue. Guys like Rubio and others want to compromise with the Dems. Reagan certainly compromised in 1986. There was no border security, just amnesty. The tea party wants border security first, before dealing with those already here. The hardliners say we should deport them all - I doubt that is a position that any serious politicians take.
The problem the GOP has with African Americans has to do with the Dixiecrats leaving the Dem party for the GOP after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed and Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”. Remember, before the 1960s, most Blacks were Republicans due to Lincoln, and due to the GOP being formed as the anti-slavery party. To the Dems, the Hispanics are another potential voting bloc to add; more people to bribe with the public’s money.
Republicans were slowly making gains in the south since well before the 60’s. And the issues behind why the south moved to the GOP were other than the race issues that characterized the era of the Dixiecrats during the 40’s & 50’s. Issues like anti-communism, and social issues, reaction against the NE liberal left taking over the Democrat party, etc. The so-called “southern strategy” as a reason why the south went solidly GOP is way over simplified

Ishii
 
Women have always been a Democratic party constituency. The feminist movement embraced the Democratic Party, and used the Dem party to push forth its goals, namely, women’s suffrage. Honestly, for decades, many leaders in the feminist movement and in the NAACP were at odds, and believed that only one of the two groups would receive rights.
The GOP wins a majority of married women. The Dems successfully appeal to single women and mothers, and are successful for obvious reasons. Single mothers are a natural constituency for the Democrat wealth redistribution. Pretty basic politics really.
The reason why the Catholic Church was a solidly Democratic constituency for decades goes back to the Civil War, where working Catholics in the North were afraid that freed slaves would take their jobs. This partnership held together the until the 1980 election campaign, when Reagan railed against Roe v. Wade 6 years after the case had been decided. Still, up through the 1990s, there were many pro-life Catholic Democrats in elected positions at both state and national levels (they became a slowly dying breed after the 1992 Democratic National Convention, though, and are now nearly non-existent).
The reason why Catholics were solidly Democrat owes to the unions and New Deal coalition They were working class and were naturally anti-communist and also naturally in favor of the New Deal. . You might be correct on how far back it goes. Two things helped push Catholics away from the Democrat party: one was the party’s softening of its anti-communism, and the other was the Democrat party’s move toward social liberalism - particularly abortion, which you correctly point out. The move was underway in the 60’s, but really became noticeable by 1980. The rejection of William Casey at the 1992 convention pretty much sealed the Democrat party as the party of abortion.
Regardless, the GOP has to find a way to mend bridges with the constituencies that they have all but pushed into the Dem party base. Get people like Alveeda King to explain to Blacks how PP has destroyed their race, not in a preachy way, but in a way that gently opens their eyes. Find a way to improve the immigration system that is both just and merciful, and don’t rail against people who were brought over as little children, were raised in the US, and, quite frankly, might not even know that they’re not US citizens until they try to apply for a job or for college.
Makes sense. But easier said than done. Remember that anything said by conservatives gets filtered through the secular media which is hostile to conservatives.
And… finally, GOPers, stop being callous delta bravos when discussing issues such as abortion - it really plays into the Dems “War on Women” meme. Instead of Akin’s “legitimate rape” comment, say something like, “I know that it’s quite an ordeal when a woman becomes pregnant due to rape. It’s relatively uncommon, but it happens. It’s also understandable that women in this situation want help, real help. Unfortunately, for many women in this situation, the only advice they get is to abort their children. Relatively few get actual help that would allow them to carry their children - who have done nothing wrong other than the manner they were conceived - to term, which has been shown to help in the healing process. Most women who conceive children through rape and decided to keep their children do so in the face of rampant opposition. Maybe, though, if abortion were made illegal again, these women would be able to receive some real help.”
Agree. Akin was a buffoon. (can I say that here?). Very good points you make here.

Ishii
 
I must agree with that, unfortunately whichever party is in power for the last 20 years has ALWASE extended government. But if a 3rd party, especialy one like the libertarians who agree with one side or the other dependin on various issues (as opposed to socialists who NEVER agree with the GOP) could get the deciding portion of votes in a split hous they could do some work.

Image a senate with 40 Dems, 40 GOP, and 20 Libertarians, they now have the deciding vote. Side with the republicans on gun control, most fiscal issues, the Dems on certain social stuff, and anyone who will listen (generally the party out of the White House) against forgien intervention. 20% is all it would take.
Interesting idea. But how would you get 20 Libertarian senators, and 87 Libertarian congressmen? Just what part of the history of 3rd parties in America, and Libertarian in particular do you think suggest that such a situation could ever occur? Sound like a dream to me. A nice one, maybe, but still a dream.

Ishii
 
Well, regardless of gridlock, if we get four or eight years of Hillary, the country may be so far gone as to be unsalvageable.
Naw, been unsalvageable since the “Great Society”. Hillary will shovel the last bit of dirt, but it’s been in the ground for awhile.
 
Republicans were slowly making gains in the south since well before the 60’s. And the issues behind why the south moved to the GOP were other than the race issues that characterized the era of the Dixiecrats during the 40’s & 50’s. Issues like anti-communism, and social issues, reaction against the NE liberal left taking over the Democrat party, etc. The so-called “southern strategy” as a reason why the south went solidly GOP is way over simplified

Ishii
While not fully explanatory, I think we can reasonably assume that the South will almost always tend to be whatever the Northeast is NOT. There is a mutual antipathy that may never go away. It’s not about race relations either. It’s about culture.
 
Regardless, though, the GOPs problem with Hispanics has a lot to do with the fact that many Hispanics who are either legal residents in the United States or US citizens have family members who are undocumented. These people are fighting for their family members, especially if said family members are their own parents and/or siblings. And then, they get told that the 14th amendment shouldn’t apply to them, either, because their parents weren’t US citizens, and that the purpose of the 14th amendment was to make sure that former slaves would have the same rights. In other words, they’re pretty much told by the GOP that “We don’t want you here, even though you agree with us on pretty much everything but immigration”. So, they get accepted by the Dems with open arms, with the intent of brainwashing them to their point of view.
Undoubtedly true to an extent. But I know a lot of Hispanics, both legal and illegal, and I don’t think most people realize how strongly they are “pocketbook voters”. Yes, maybe “X” has a cousin who would like to work here in the U.S, or a grandmother who would like to get housing assistance here. But X cares a lot more about himself and his immediate family and, after all, he can send money to his grandmother and she can live pretty well where she is. The Hispanics I know hate taxes and business limiting regulatory interference more than the local whites do, and in this area that’s saying a lot.

Obama’s popularity among Hispanics has dropped significantly in the last few years. My guess is that he has been on the wrong side of the “pocketbook” issues as they perceive them. He promised the moon, and that has resonance. But he delivered a succession of radioactive meteorites, and that has resonance too.

Having said that, I’ll grant there is a world of difference among Hispanics, depending on their origin. A Mexican is not a Cuban is not a Puerto Rican. Most of the Hispanics I know are of Mexican origin.
 
Women have always been a Democratic party constituency. The feminist movement embraced the Democratic Party, and used the Dem party to push forth its goals, namely, women’s suffrage. Honestly, for decades, many leaders in the feminist movement and in the NAACP were at odds, and believed that only one of the two groups would receive rights.
I think this is partially true. But most married women are conservative. The majority has voted Repub in every election since 1980, with only one exception. Most unmarried women vote Democrat. One might reasonably draw conclusions about why both are true.
 
You don’t believe that Hillary is an utterly deceitful woman only b/c you wish it not to be so. The record is replete with instances of Hillary’s duplicity and failures. The Clintons stripped the Presidential planes and White House of countless treasures before they left, some of which they were forced to return. They vandalized the keyboards, and wrecked the place. There is much, much, much more, but what else do you need to know before you regard them as contemptible? :cool: Rob
Thanks for the reply. The allegations you mention are quite serious. With that said, if what you write is actually factual, I’m most sure there would have been indictments, and there have been none. I really don’t believe that there are facts to back up these allegations. I just saw a poll today that has her (SOS Clinton) winning by a large margin in 2016 is she chooses to run. I hope we can agree on this, let’s hope she does decide to run. You have to admit, the 1990s in the USA were pretty good under President Bill Clinton.
 
Thanks for the reply. The allegations you mention are quite serious. With that said, if what you write is actually factual, I’m most sure there would have been indictments, and there have been none. I really don’t believe that there are facts to back up these allegations. I just saw a poll today that has her (SOS Clinton) winning by a large margin in 2016 is she chooses to run. I hope we can agree on this, let’s hope she does decide to run. You have to admit, the 1990s in the USA were pretty good under President Bill Clinton.
Do you believe that President Bush told the truth about Iraq?
 
Thanks for the reply. The allegations you mention are quite serious. With that said, if what you write is actually factual, I’m most sure there would have been indictments, and there have been none. I really don’t believe that there are facts to back up these allegations. I just saw a poll today that has her (SOS Clinton) winning by a large margin in 2016 is she chooses to run. I hope we can agree on this, let’s hope she does decide to run. You have to admit, the 1990s in the USA were pretty good under President Bill Clinton.
… Bill Clinton will not be telling Hillary what to do…
 
Interesting idea. But how would you get 20 Libertarian senators, and 87 Libertarian congressmen? Just what part of the history of 3rd parties in America, and Libertarian in particular do you think suggest that such a situation could ever occur? Sound like a dream to me. A nice one, maybe, but still a dream.

Ishii
The Republican Party started in the 1850’s as a third party, it was the anti-slave alternative to the pro-slave Democrats and Whigs. By taking on most of the Whigs economic positions but becoming the antislavery party the republicans managed to win total control of the government in less than a decade (although this did trigger the “great democrat revolt” also known as the civil war) and within another decade had entirely destroyed and absorbed the Whigs.

So, by adopting a strong position which neither party supports (in today’s age that’s individual rights) and with proper campaign strategy it is possible. The problem they must overcome, obviously, is the media-political complex of party aligned major news outlets who refuse to cover them. But the Internet and the visibility of the Paul’s has helped greatly, as has the Koch brothers expanding media empire.

The goal, the tipping point, is 5% of the vote in a presidential election. At that point under US law the libertarian party would be recognized as an official party and be eligible for full public campaign funding. It would also make it near impossible for the media to ignore us. The process would snowball from there. As I said before a much larger portion of Americans is or agrees with libertarians than they get votes for, and if they were recognized as a viable party these people would likely flock to them. At 1% for Gary Johnson last cycle the libertarian vote was up 200% from 2008, and sense it is becoming clear that libertarianism is growing, particularly among young people, I would expect an even higher number next cycle for the libertarian candidate, particularly if this is a low turnout election. I personally believe we will hit 5% in the next 10-14 years if the republicans do no nominate a libertarian themselves. The more Romneys and Santorums they nominate, the more votes will slip through their fingers.
 
I think this is partially true. But most married women are conservative. The majority has voted Repub in every election since 1980, with only one exception. Most unmarried women vote Democrat. One might reasonably draw conclusions about why both are true.
So by destroying marriage, the Dems preserve their constituency.
 
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