Rand Paul: Without change, GOP will "not win again in my lifetime"

[RACJ]

That’s funny, I see this the exact opposite from your view. I believe President Obama is putting the country back on track. If you look through an objective lens it’s clear what he’s done and trying to do. Health care reform is a big one in my mind. Ensuring that every American can have access to affordable health care sounds like a major accomplishment to me.

Ah, I see. You believe the canard that Obamacare is about Americans having “access to affordable health care”, and not bureaucatic control of the health needs of 300+M people. I assume that you either already have quality health care now, OR you are eligible for massive Medicaid subsidies under the law. How anyone can believe that an IRSS-enforced 2600 page bill (which no one read before voting for it), and the more than 20,000 pages of subsequent regs was written for the benefit of common people is astounding.
Seaton, they can’t even get the enrollment process right after several years and nearly a billion dollars, yet you think that the administration of it will benefit the subjects. This law cannot, will not, and was never intended to help people. Its purpose is two-fold: The hiring of countless new political appointees, and the creation of millions of new destitute Americans who will be counted on to vote for those who are administering the crumbs. uch:

 

[RACJ]

One more thing, the environment. Republicans have always favored business concerns over environmental protection. They’re not big on accepting our responsibility as stewards of God’s creation - gets in the way of profit. When Sean Hannity starts in about fracking I think I am going to jump out the window. And I’m committed to voting Republican!

Sorry, again these environmental activists care more about their own opulent lifestyles than the causes they espouse. The EPA today exists for, you guessed it, EPA jobs and power. If the EPA existed 100 years ago with the awesome power that it now wields, we would be all have hitching posts outside of our huts.
There are numerous issues, but imagine: These overlords now regulate carbon dioxide, which we exhale, and which we NEED in our atmosphere to LIVE. Its’ maddening. :hypno: Rob

 

[RACJ]

Its funny, seaton2005. Your posts read like Democrat talking points. So far since you’ve been posting, I haven’t read anything from you that is critical of Obama, yet you claim you’re being objective. You’ll find that the more conservative members here have much to criticize of Republicans, Bush, etc. They seem more objective than you.

As a Catholic, do you find nothing Obama does that is worthy of criticism? How about his promise to America - said many times - that “if you like your plan, you can keep it” and “if you like your doctor, you can keep them” etc. He knew it wasn’t true when he said it. How about all the people who were kicked off their insurance plans? Or the concerns about medical decisions and supply decided by a abortion promoting federal bureaucrat such as Kathleen Sebelius? Speaking of abortion, are you concerned as a Catholic that the president you praise is committed to keeping abortion mills/planned parenthood thriving? Doesn’t that bother you?

Why, Obama recently said that eugenicist-founded Planned Parenthood is doing “God’s work”. I wouldn’t be surprised if Seaton 2005 works for one of the Soros network groups. He or she is clearly a mouthpiece for the Obama agenda. Rob

 

[Skadi]

Sorry, again these environmental activists care more about their own opulent lifestyles than the causes they espouse. The EPA today exists for, you guessed it, EPA jobs and power. If the EPA existed 100 years ago with the awesome power that it now wields, we would be all have hitching posts outside of our huts.
There are numerous issues, but imagine: These overlords now regulate carbon dioxide, which we exhale, and which we NEED in our atmosphere to LIVE. Its’ maddening. :hypno: Rob

I consider myself an environmentalist, I originaly went to college as an ecology major and love environmental science, particularly evolution and population dynamics.

However I find the modern “Eco” movement disgusting. The have allowed themselves to become little more than pawns to the Democratic Party machine. They are rabid in their hatred for big bussines and republicans while being totaly oblivious to the actions of democrats in power, who show no real interest in actualy stoping large polluters, and simply use the EPA to excercise government control and justify government spending.

The way to protect our enviroment is not by trying to get the governemnt to trample all over the property rights of polluters, but by direct action, such as boycotts of polluting corporations and their associates.

My greatest disgust though is held for PETA, who are an absolute twisted corruption of the principals of nature. Man is a predetor, his natural state is the hunt, and any who would deny this are living in a world of fantasy.

The true environmentalists in today’s world are people who are often derided by the environmentalists, hunters and farmers. While these city slicker liberals lobby in congress and deface property, hunters and farmers truly lie in connection with the land, and donate many times more to conservation efforts than the environmental movement. PETA dosnt spend a dime on conservation efforts, their to bussy throwing pig blood on women in fur coats.

 

[seaton2005]

Its funny, seaton2005. Your posts read like Democrat talking points. So far since you’ve been posting, I haven’t read anything from you that is critical of Obama, yet you claim you’re being objective. You’ll find that the more conservative members here have much to criticize of Republicans, Bush, etc. They seem more objective than you.

As a Catholic, do you find nothing Obama does that is worthy of criticism? How about his promise to America - said many times - that “if you like your plan, you can keep it” and “if you like your doctor, you can keep them” etc. He knew it wasn’t true when he said it. How about all the people who were kicked off their insurance plans? Or the concerns about medical decisions and supply decided by a abortion promoting federal bureaucrat such as Kathleen Sebelius? Speaking of abortion, are you concerned as a Catholic that the president you praise is committed to keeping abortion mills/planned parenthood thriving? Doesn’t that bother you?

If President Obama could run again, he would get this Catholics vote. Again, I’m not a one issue voter. Again, the church does not tell us what party we should vote for let alone the candidate.

 

[ishii]

If President Obama could run again, he would get this Catholics vote. Again, I’m not a one issue voter. Again, the church does not tell us what party we should vote for let alone the candidate.

Hi. How about specifically addressing one of my points? You didn’t address any of them - instead you just repeat talking points. It has some of us wondering where you’re coming from.

 

[Skadi]

Hi. How about specifically addressing one of my points? You didn’t address any of them - instead you just repeat talking points. It has some of us wondering where you’re coming from.

Then it’s just like any other conversation with most Obama supporters

 

[oldcelt]

I consider myself an environmentalist, I originaly went to college as an ecology major and love environmental science, particularly evolution and population dynamics.

However I find the modern “Eco” movement disgusting. The have allowed themselves to become little more than pawns to the Democratic Party machine. They are rabid in their hatred for big bussines and republicans while being totaly oblivious to the actions of democrats in power, who show no real interest in actualy stoping large polluters, and simply use the EPA to excercise government control and justify government spending.

The way to protect our enviroment is not by trying to get the governemnt to trample all over the property rights of polluters, but by direct action, such as boycotts of polluting corporations and their associates.

My greatest disgust though is held for PETA, who are an absolute twisted corruption of the principals of nature. Man is a predetor, his natural state is the hunt, and any who would deny this are living in a world of fantasy.

**The true environmentalists in today’s world are people who are often derided by the environmentalists, hunters and farmers. While these city slicker liberals lobby in congress and deface property, hunters and farmers truly lie in connection with the land, and donate many times more to conservation efforts than the environmental movement. **PETA dosnt spend a dime on conservation efforts, their to bussy throwing pig blood on women in fur coats.

You hit it right on the head there. The ones accomplishing the most are the one who work with the coal companies, farmers, loggers, hunters and aren’t afraid to get wet and muddy. The last two decades groups in my are have succeeded in reclaiming three major watershed with bare-bones government money. If success was the key criteria for funding, these folks would be rolling in it.
But they chug along, raising money from local sources, getting land contributed, and standing in the same photos as the “enemies.”

 

[seaton2005]

Hi. How about specifically addressing one of my points? You didn’t address any of them - instead you just repeat talking points. It has some of us wondering where you’re coming from.

I wish more citizens would balance their news sources as opposed to repeating what they hear on Fox News. The come back is always about “talking points.” Facts somehow get called “Talking Points.” A historic presidential success like National Health Care reform, getting troops out of the Mid East, giving those at the bottom a voice, is somehow turned called talking points. Go Figure.

 

[FollowChrist34]

I wish more citizens would balance their news sources as opposed to repeating what they hear on Fox News. The come back is always about “talking points.” Facts somehow get called “Talking Points.” A historic presidential success like National Health Care reform, getting troops out of the Mid East, giving those at the bottom a voice, is somehow turned called talking points. Go Figure.

Sounds like you need to lay off the MSNBC. This is the kind of thing I said when I was 18! (If you’re 18, I’ll give you a pass for now .) The Nation was my Bible. I didn’t think much of the Church but did say I was Catholic, if only to run it down (“lapsed Catholic”). Reverted now, some would say redeemed .

 

[Darryl1958]

I spent too many years of my early life in a time and a place where the ONLY news sources available all had a liberal bias. Even if all that listen to or read for the rest of my life comes from Fox news or internet conservative sources, it would still not make up for the imbalance accrued toward liberal sources for the first part of my life.

The fact is that the preponderance of the media, and the education system, carry with them a liberal bias. No conservative in America can live a life without being constantly exposed to that liberal bias through much of popular culture. Even in the most conservative regions, there is constant exposure to liberal bias through the media, if nothing else.

On the other hand, there are vast swaths of people who have no first hand exposure whatsoever to conservative culture, but can live the whole of their lives totally ensconced in a liberal cocoon.

 

[DeniseNY]

I wish more citizens would balance their news sources as opposed to repeating what they hear on Fox News. .

Do you not realize this is a talking point?

 

[Skadi]

I wish more citizens would balance their news sources as opposed to repeating what they hear on Fox News. The come back is always about “talking points.” Facts somehow get called “Talking Points.” A historic presidential success like National Health Care reform, getting troops out of the Mid East, giving those at the bottom a voice, is somehow turned called talking points. Go Figure.

So I must ask, how has mister Obama given those at the bottom a voice? Had he changed US voting laws? This is a rather vague claim.

Also, your claim about the Middle East is sadly all to common. No matter what news outlet you watch is imagine you are aware that we still have thousands of troops in Afghanitan and Iraq, and are carying out strikes with drones in Yemen and Pakistan which have killed thousands of civilians. What’s more mr. Obama brought us into another war in Libya and fought tooth and nail to send US troops to die in Syria. How on earth this man is not regarded as a war monger like Bush, let alone won the Nobel peace prize is beyond me.

Also there is the fact that this administration has lied on dozens if occasions directly to you the American citizen, on everything from healthcare to PRISM. President Obama has used the espionage act of 1917 over thrice as many times as any previous president to attack leakers of government information.

So I’d like to politely ask what your position on these issues are, unfortunately the media seams to leave them out.

 

[Geist]

My greatest disgust though is held for PETA, who are an absolute twisted corruption of the principals of nature. Man is a predetor, his natural state is the hunt, and any who would deny this are living in a world of fantasy.

According to several animal rights groups PETA is an FBI COINTELPRO front. An allegation that makes a lot of sense when looking at PETA’s activism and propaganda.

 

[Skadi]

According to several animal rights groups PETA is an FBI COINTELPRO front. An allegation that makes a lot of sense when looking at PETA’s activism and propaganda.

It would make sense, trying to catch ALF terrorists and the like. They need to find the people who dared defile the Butter Cow at the Iowa State Fair, we Iowans do not take kindly to that cr*p.

 

[ishii]

I wish more citizens would balance their news sources as opposed to repeating what they hear on Fox News. The come back is always about “talking points.” Facts somehow get called “Talking Points.” A historic presidential success like National Health Care reform, getting troops out of the Mid East, giving those at the bottom a voice, is somehow turned called talking points. Go Figure.

Seaton, I asked you to respond to my points, not repeat talking points. Here are my points again:

As a Catholic, do you find nothing Obama does that is worthy of criticism? How about his promise to America - said many times - that “if you like your plan, you can keep it” and “if you like your doctor, you can keep them” etc. He knew it wasn’t true when he said it. How about all the people who were kicked off their insurance plans? Or the concerns about medical decisions and supply decided by a abortion promoting federal bureaucrat such as Kathleen Sebelius? Speaking of abortion, are you concerned as a Catholic that the president you praise is committed to keeping abortion mills/planned parenthood thriving? Doesn’t that bother you?

Also, those of us who criticize Obama also frequently criticize the Republican leaders as well. We aren’t here to merely repeat talking points. What do you think Obama is doing wrong? Any concerns about his agenda?

Are you able to do something other than repeat talking points?

 

[Ridgerunner]

If President Obama could run again, he would get this Catholics vote. Again, I’m not a one issue voter. Again, the church does not tell us what party we should vote for let alone the candidate.

I used to be a “one issue voter”. I couldn’t support any Democrats (was one myself) when abortion became the only thing the party stood for. But now I’m a “three issue voter”. I oppose the Democrat party’s devotion to abortion, it’s profanation of marriage and its oppression of the Church.

The Church never tells people who to vote for, but the moral teachings of the Church make it impossible to support someone like Obama. Those who support him and like minded politicians are just as guilty of the deaths of millions of children as the “doctor” who holds the knife.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I wish more citizens would balance their news sources as opposed to repeating what they hear on Fox News. The come back is always about “talking points.” Facts somehow get called “Talking Points.” A historic presidential success like National Health Care reform, getting troops out of the Mid East, giving those at the bottom a voice, is somehow turned called talking points. Go Figure.

30 million won’t be covered by Obamacare, for sure. Another 17 million are pushed into Medicaid that’s already overcrowded. Obamacare subsidizes people making up to $80,000/year. It has deductibles higher than most peoples’ former policies did, and costs more for most even with the subsidies. With “successes” like that, who needs failures?

What kind of voice did Obama give the disabled needy who are supposed to subsist on about $600/month? Can’t help them, but he could give subsidies to people wealthy enough to buy new cars. But if you’re just a poor person who needs a car to get to a job or to the doctor, well, you can walk. But the poor can find their voices when their utility bills “skyrocket” as Obama has promised he’ll do to them. They can say “Brrrrrrrrr, it sure is cold in here without heat”.

And as Al Quada and Iran divide up Iraq, I think we can see the “benefits” of withdrawal from Iraq. The Kurds and Sunni Arabs begged us to stay, but we didn’t.

 

[seaton2005]

I used to be a “one issue voter”. I couldn’t support any Democrats (was one myself) when abortion became the only thing the party stood for. But now I’m a “three issue voter”. I oppose the Democrat party’s devotion to abortion, it’s profanation of marriage and its oppression of the Church.

The Church never tells people who to vote for, but the moral teachings of the Church make it impossible to support someone like Obama. Those who support him and like minded politicians are just as guilty of the deaths of millions of children as the “doctor” who holds the knife.

I just made my point. Thank you.

 

[JimG]

I just made my point. Thank you.

Your point is that it is fine for Catholics to support candidates who firmly support abortion, who favor the deconstruction of marriage, and who support requiring Catholics to violate their conscience or be fined by the government?