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3doctors… thanks for that link…
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SummerSmiles
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Thanks for the link 3doctors, what a fascinating read!
I can’t imagine how difficult it would be, having to endure a rape and a pregnancy that resulted from one. But I agree with others here who say that to abort that pregnancy would be even worse. We can’t make the rape better or go away by murdering the child that resulted from it. As the old saying goes, two wrongs don’t make a right.
I can’t imagine how difficult it would be, having to endure a rape and a pregnancy that resulted from one. But I agree with others here who say that to abort that pregnancy would be even worse. We can’t make the rape better or go away by murdering the child that resulted from it. As the old saying goes, two wrongs don’t make a right.
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This is what I really hate about the pro-abortion movement, they ahve done a really good job at promoting abortion for rape, putting out into society this “oh, what kind of woman would want to carry her rapist’s baby?” It puts so much pressure on teh woman to abort. I know a few women who conceived in rape, and one aborted because seh was so scared that people would think she hadn’t been raped if she kept teh baby, and she was pro-life, but everyone around offered her no support. The other woman kept the baby, but said nothing about the rape, only a few people knew, because she too didn’t want people to question her, saying it was better to just let people think she was a “skank” then raped with thsi baby. She placed teh child for adoption.
Its not just the rapist’s baby, its the mother’s baby too!
These women need our love and compassion, abortion for the rape pregnancy is just a way for society and those close to teh woman to forget about it and move on, to not be reminded by the rape everytme they see her swollen belly or a baby, it raises too many uncomfortable questions for other people. Women have gotten the short end of the stick on this one.
Its not just the rapist’s baby, its the mother’s baby too!
These women need our love and compassion, abortion for the rape pregnancy is just a way for society and those close to teh woman to forget about it and move on, to not be reminded by the rape everytme they see her swollen belly or a baby, it raises too many uncomfortable questions for other people. Women have gotten the short end of the stick on this one.
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buffalo
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A Pro-Lifer Asks Abortion Supporters A Few Questions
A Pro-Lifer Asks Abortion Supporters A Few Questions … The infamous Rockford abortion mill brought in a few abortion supporter to try and block women from using a free mobile ultrasound motorhome. …
A Pro-Lifer Asks Abortion Supporters A Few Questions … The infamous Rockford abortion mill brought in a few abortion supporter to try and block women from using a free mobile ultrasound motorhome. …
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Debora123
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Why were there masks of Satan on the windows??? Was it to mock the Christian pro-lifers or something?A Pro-Lifer Asks Abortion Supporters A Few Questions
A Pro-Lifer Asks Abortion Supporters A Few Questions … The infamous Rockford abortion mill brought in a few abortion supporter to try and block women from using a free mobile ultrasound motorhome. …
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buffalo
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They worship Baal.Why were there masks of Satan on the windows??? Was it to mock the Christian pro-lifers or something?
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StAnastasia
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Many Catholics would say “no - it’s not wrong for a raped girl to take that pill.” However, others would argue that God alone is permitted to perform abortions (in his mercy he performs roughly 30 million per year, globally).I understand that contraception (unless it’s NFP) is currently against the Church because they say it takes away the unitive and procreative aspect of sex between 2 married people. However, if a girl is raped, that logic doesn’t apply… obviously. So, is it still wrong to take the morning after pill if you get raped??
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buffalo
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God performs abortions? :whacky:Many Catholics would say “no - it’s not wrong for a raped girl to take that pill.” However, others would argue that God alone is permitted to perform abortions (in his mercy he performs roughly 30 million per year, globally).
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Tantum_ergo
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Abortions are not simply medical procedures. The term ‘abortion’ is used as a synonym to ‘miscarriage’ when a woman’s child dies in utero. (Don’t believe me? Check any medical records person. When a woman is about to undergo a miscarriage it will be noted, and coded, as ‘threatened abortion’.)Many Catholics would say “no - it’s not wrong for a raped girl to take that pill.” However, others would argue that God alone is permitted to perform abortions (in his mercy he performs roughly 30 million per year, globally).
So in the sense that God is the one who ‘call us all home’ at whatever time He chooses, then yes, God is both the giver of Life (the start of the pregnancy) and the author of death (when He permits the child to die in utero), just as He permits a person to die at birth, shortly after birth, in some childhood illness, in some teenage accident, in some adult illness, etc. etc.
But God does not go around saying, “OK, I’m creating you, soul, and you’re gonna die of trisomy 13 when you’re 9 weeks gestation; and you, soul, you’re gonna die of leukemia at age 5, and you, soul, you’re going to snort cocaine and die at 23, and you soul, you’re gonna get shot by a robber when you’re 31, --and have a nice day, folks!”
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davidv
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God does not sinMany Catholics would say “no - it’s not wrong for a raped girl to take that pill.” However, others would argue that God alone is permitted to perform abortions (in his mercy he performs roughly 30 million per year, globally).
Abortion is sin
Therefore God does not perform abortions.
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Tantum_ergo
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If St. Anastasia is using the medical definition of abortion as a miscarriage, and also holding that God is ‘responsible’ for all life and death in that He permits it, then yes, God ‘permits’ women to miscarry (which is an abortion, known as a SPONTANEOUS abortion). . .but God does not permit a doctor or other person to perform a THERAPEUTIC abortion, which would be procedures designed to kill and remove a fetus from the wound in a NON SPONTANEOUS abortion.God does not sin
Abortion is sin
Therefore God does not perform abortions.
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Tantum_ergo
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Since few people are aware that a woman’s miscarriage is medically considered an abortion (known as ‘spontaneous abortion’) and that medical procedures designed to kill and remove a fetus from the womb are known most correctly as “therapeutic abortions”, it would probably be a good idea to use the terminology "Miscarriage’ (instead of ‘spontaneous abortion’) and to use the word abortion ONLY in the sense of meaning ‘therapeutic abortion’.
Otherwise it is too confusing for people. Most of us hear ‘abortion’ and think only of therapeutic (which indeed is morally wrong).
Otherwise it is too confusing for people. Most of us hear ‘abortion’ and think only of therapeutic (which indeed is morally wrong).
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StAnastasia
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That is indeed what I meant. The spontaneous abortion rate seems to be around thirty million each year worldwide. By this argument God alone is allowed to be an abortionist; no human is permitted this right.If St. Anastasia is using the medical definition of abortion as a miscarriage, and also holding that God is ‘responsible’ for all life and death in that He permits it, then yes, God ‘permits’ women to miscarry (which is an abortion, known as a SPONTANEOUS abortion). . .but God does not permit a doctor or other person to perform a THERAPEUTIC abortion, which would be procedures designed to kill and remove a fetus from the wound in a NON SPONTANEOUS abortion.
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StAnastasia
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Why sugar coat it? We’re adults, we know life is not fair. Spontaneous abortion is a technical term of the process that leads to miscarriage.Since few people are aware that a woman’s miscarriage is medically considered an abortion (known as ‘spontaneous abortion’) and that medical procedures designed to kill and remove a fetus from the womb are known most correctly as “therapeutic abortions”, it would probably be a good idea to use the terminology "Miscarriage’ (instead of ‘spontaneous abortion’) and to use the word abortion ONLY in the sense of meaning ‘therapeutic abortion’.
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buffalo
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God permits evil too. He permits death of adults too. So no adult has a right to euthanasia. Agreed?That is indeed what I meant. The spontaneous abortion rate seems to be around thirty million each year worldwide. By this argument God alone is allowed to be an abortionist; no human is permitted this right.
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davidv
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Are spontaneous abortions and abortions (the murder of an unborn child) morally equivalent?If St. Anastasia is using the medical definition of abortion as a miscarriage, and also holding that God is ‘responsible’ for all life and death in that He permits it, then yes, God ‘permits’ women to miscarry (which is an abortion, known as a SPONTANEOUS abortion). . .but God does not permit a doctor or other person to perform a THERAPEUTIC abortion, which would be procedures designed to kill and remove a fetus from the wound in a NON SPONTANEOUS abortion.
If not, the the statement that “God perform abortions” is false.
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StAnastasia
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Have we switched train stations? How did we get to euthanasia?God permits evil too. He permits death of adults too. So no adult has a right to euthanasia. Agreed?
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Tantum_ergo
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That’s what I was trying to address.Are spontaneous abortions and abortions (the murder of an unborn child) morally equivalent?
If not, the the statement that “God perform abortions” is false.
Spontaneous abortions and therapeutic abortions are NOT morally equivalent. However, the term ‘abortion’ (in the correct medical sense) is applied to both. That’s why I suggest that either we use the term ‘miscarriage’ for spontaneous abortion (a natural occurence) and use the term abortion to ONLY mean ‘therapeutic’, that is, a NON -NATURAL or medical ‘induction’ by physicians or others to deliberately kill. . .
OR else that anybody who says “God performs abortions” needs to make perfectly clear that by the term ‘abortion’ he ONLY means that God permits a ‘miscarriage’ as a natural result (usually due to some kind of BIRTH DEFECT), but not that God ‘chooses’ this deliberately, “I’m gonna create 1000 miscarriages today!!”(wrong), or that God is like an abortionist (the medical doctor) in doing so.
Because claiming that God “aborts” children also begs the question that he gives them diseases, or that he predetermines their later deaths from horrible things like famine, disease, rape and murder. . .He does NOT do so!
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StAnastasia
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I’m not talking about moral equivalency. “Abortion” refers to the termination of a pregnancy and the death of the fetus, whether God or a human is the cause of it.Are spontaneous abortions and abortions (the murder of an unborn child) morally equivalent?
If not, the the statement that “God perform abortions” is false.
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Tantum_ergo
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Not at all.Have we switched train stations? How did we get to euthanasia?
If God permits a child to die in utero (a spontaneous miscarriage), he also permits a born person to die of old age.
But if therapeutic abortion (causing a child to die in utero), done by a doctor, is wrong, then euthanasia (the killing of a person who is old) by a doctor, is wrong as well.
IOW, Buffalo is saying that God is the only one who can judge life and death.
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