Rapture

[alwayswill]

I should correct this when I say R C Sproul not among them, I mean R C Sproul seems to be preterist, not “millenilalist”. But I would rather be “preterist” than “millenialist”.

I think R. C. Sproul considers himself a partial preterist,
“partial” meaning that they would say that many of the prophecies were completed in 70AD,
but there are some, the big three they call them, that would be the Second Coming, the Resurrection and the Judgment that’s yet to come, that would be a partial preterit’s view, although there are many ideas within preterism, partial preterism and so on.

 

[pablope]

No where in this thread have I interpreted anything:

Consciounsly, you may think you have not…but subconsciously…when you post Scripture passages, like when you stated this in post 52:

I quoted Scripture

But you interpreted it:
Your interpretation was that it was about “the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD”

Lets see if that fits the facts:
Matthew 24:

You are implying your understanding or interpretation.

Anyway…this subject seems to interest you very much?

Do you believe in the Rapture as envisioned in the Left Behind series?

 

[alwayswill]

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Do you believe in the Rapture as envisioned in the Left Behind series?

I don’t think so…I have never seen or read it.

 

[ajcstr]

The left behind series was just basic pre-trib rapture theory wasn’t it?

 

[ajcstr]

No where in this thread have I interpreted anything:

Yes, I agree with you. LOL it’s not what you quoted, its how you quoted it !

 

[pablope]

I don’t think so…I have never seen or read it.

Are you sure?

Books and movies:

The Left Behind collection…google.com/#q=left+behind+movies&tbm=shop&spd=12552281590039821237

 

[guanophore]

Consciounsly, you may think you have not…but subconsciously…when you post Scripture passages, like when you stated this in post 52:

You are implying your understanding or interpretation.

Anyway…this subject seems to interest you very much?

Do you believe in the Rapture as envisioned in the Left Behind series?

I dont think she did. Another member stated the passage referred to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, and she was just noting that the passage did not seem to fit that event entirely.

 

[Church_Militant]

The left behind series was just basic pre-trib rapture theory wasn’t it?

Yep.

I dont think she did. Another member stated the passage referred to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, and she was just noting that the passage did not seem to fit that event entirely.

Sometimes we forget that scripture can and often does have multiple fulfillments, which explains why the 70AD temple destruction is a type and foreshadowing of a time to come.

If you go back and look at the messianic prophecies and read the New Testament you see Our Lord and the apostles pointing them out many times. A good example is the prophecy about the virgin birth. It obviously has two different fulfillments.

As for the rapture…it did not exist until after CoI preacher J.N. Darby used it in Ireland to try to scare Catholics out of the faith and even then it wasn’t even widely known until C.I. Scofield incorporated it into his Scofield Reference Bible

I have always thought that that whole premillenial stuff was pretty much just something that someone made up to make weak Christians feel like they had a way out when in fact the New Testament teaches that a time will come when we’ll have to stand strong and face persecutions like the early church did for about 300 + years.

In that context I think those who hold to this error will be grossly scandalized when it doesn’t happen and that that may account for much of the falling away that the Bible predicts.
https://www.amazon.com/Scofield-Ref...3175&sr=8-5&keywords=scofield+reference+bible

 

[alwayswill]

Yep.
Sometimes we forget that scripture can and often does have multiple fulfillments, which explains why the 70AD temple destruction is a type and foreshadowing of a time to come.

If you go back and look at the messianic prophecies and read the New Testament you see Our Lord and the apostles pointing them out many times. A good example is the prophecy about the virgin birth. It obviously has two different fulfillments.

As for the rapture…it did not exist until after CoI preacher J.N. Darby used it in Ireland to try to scare Catholics out of the faith and even then it wasn’t even widely known until C.I. Scofield incorporated it into his Scofield Reference Bible

I have always thought that that whole premillenial stuff was pretty much just something that someone made up to make weak Christians feel like they had a way out when in fact the New Testament teaches that a time will come when we’ll have to stand strong and face persecutions like the early church did for about 300 + years.

In that context I think those who hold to this error will be grossly scandalized when it doesn’t happen and that that may account for much of the falling away that the Bible predicts.
https://www.amazon.com/Scofield-Ref...3175&sr=8-5&keywords=scofield+reference+bible

It seems that when Catholics hear that a Protestant believes that
those who “are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.”
(which is called the rapture)
means that they hold to the Left Behind sequence / model / scenario of events:

That just isn’t so

 

[JonNC]

Here’s a good link.
catholicapologetics.org/ap090500.htm

Catholics do believe in this, but **we call it “The Parousia” **which is an ancient Greek word meaning presence, arrival, or official visit.

The article mentions the same verse you quote above, but we believe this event will take place as Christ returns.

Hope this answers your question.

Lutherans, too.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

**Catholics follow Amillennialism **meaning we don’t believe in a literal thousand year reign of Christ.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism

It would probably be inaccurate to say we don’t believe in a “rapture” though we don’t use the word. We just believe it is part of the physical return of Christ and not a separate event.

Lutherans, too

Jon

 

[truthquester]

How literal should we take some things from the bible. For example, it says there will be trumpets sounded and there is all kinds of talk on youtube about a hum about the entire world that is being heard which started about 40 years ago.

 

[guanophore]

It seems that when Catholics hear that a Protestant believes that
those who “are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.”
(which is called the rapture)
means that they hold to the Left Behind sequence / model / scenario of events:

That just isn’t so

We certainly seem to have the evidence of this in this thread!

 

[Church_Militant]

It seems that when Catholics hear that a Protestant believes that
those who “are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.”
(which is called the rapture)
means that they hold to the Left Behind sequence / model / scenario of events:

That just isn’t so

Good, because that’s essentially the correct New Testament teaching that we Catholics believe.

The reason we think as you describe is because most of the n-Cs we encounter seem to fit that bill.

 

[Church_Militant]

How literal should we take some things from the bible. For example, it says there will be trumpets sounded and there is all kinds of talk on youtube about a hum about the entire world that is being heard which started about 40 years ago.

I wouldn’t worry with that hogwash.

A hum is nothing like a trumpet blast…when Our Lord calls, you can bet we’ll all know it.

Remember what Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ said.
***’[23] Then if any one says to you, Lo, here is the Christ!' or There he is!’ do not believe it.
[24] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[25] Lo, I have told you beforehand.
[26] So, if they say to you, Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, Lo, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
[27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
[28] Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
[29] "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
[30] then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory;
[31] and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. ***

 

[truthquester]

Does anybody here believe we are currently in those times?

 

[Nelka]

Does anybody here believe we are currently in those times?

If the entire history of the world is one week then I feel we are in the weekend but not sure what the time is.

Love has grown cold.

 

[truthquester]

I think that we are close to midnight lol.

 

[ajcstr]

Does anybody here believe we are currently in those times?

I do like the Catholic position on this. Whether we are one week away or 1,000 years away, we need to be be prepared at all times, if not for “THE” end times then certainly for our own end time.

 

[Simca]

Does anybody here believe we are currently in those times?

IMHO: If we believe that the 1000 year reign of Christ just means that he will reign for a long time, then I think this reign is just about over. The world is quickly and en masse seeming to turn away from God. I believe we are seeing the time of Satan being loosed from his chains as described in Revelation 20:7

But we are assured that his reign will last but a short time, to be followed by Christ’s return and glorious rule upon our earth forever and ever.

But this is just what I think, and would like to know everyone else’s thoughts.