RCC Decision Not to Recognize LDS Baptism!

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rmcmullan said:
Then what are Catholic priests for?
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To confect the Eucharist and to give the Absolution in Confession, and to guide us on our Christian journey towards the Heavenly kingdom.

The Christian life begins in baptism; it doesn’t end there.
 
jmcrae said:
To confect the Eucharist and to give the Absolution in Confession, and to guide us on our Christian journey towards the Heavenly kingdom.

The Christian life begins in baptism; it doesn’t end there.
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What are Priests for?

For God’s will

To feed the sheep

Here I am Lord!
 
jmcrae said:
To confect the Eucharist and to give the Absolution in Confession, and to guide us on our Christian journey towards the Heavenly kingdom.
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I was looking for something unique so I’m going to let that guiding thing go. So only a priest can celebrate mass and hear confession. Those things can’t be perofrmed by the laity. How about ordain another priest? I’m a little rusty on my sacraments. How about Last Rites, etc?
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…what a relief…that should not have taken more than 30 seconds…this is the mob who have baptised(?) the late John Paul 2…
 
rmcmullan said:
I was looking for something unique so I’m going to let that guiding thing go. So only a priest can celebrate mass and hear confession. Those things can’t be perofrmed by the laity. How about ordain another priest? ** I’m a little rusty on my sacraments. How about Last Rites, etc**
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A little rusty???

Annointing of the Sick.

Unique? Ordained by Bishops who were ordained as priests by Bishops who were ordained when they were priests by Bishops back to the early Church post-Pentacost.

We call it Apostolic Succession.

Robert
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rmcmullan said:
jmcrae;2657210:
To confect the Eucharist and to give the Absolution in Confession, and to guide us on our Christian journey towards the Heavenly kingdom.
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I was looking for something unique so I’m going to let that guiding thing go. So only a priest can celebrate mass and hear confession. Those things can’t be perofrmed by the laity. How about ordain another priest?
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Only a Bishop who has been ordained as a Bishop by another Bishop who is in full communion with the Pope can ordain a priest. (That’s why, even though Luther was a priest, he had no authority to ordain anyone to the Lutheran “priesthood,” both because he was not a Bishop, and thus had no authority to ordain anyone, and because he was in schism from the Church. Of course, he tried to, anyway.)
I’m a little rusty on my sacraments. How about Last Rites, etc?
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Yes, only a priest or Bishop can do the Anointing of the Sick. A Deacon can witness a marriage, as well as a priest or Bishop. Ordinarily, a deacon, priest, or Bishop baptizes, but in an emergency situation where no Catholic member of clergy is available, anyone can baptize.
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po18guy said:
zerinus,

You say the Mormon lord spoke to Joseph Smith and I’m sure that somebody did. But, it was not the God of the rest of the world, from all eternity.

Smith believed in the KJV. Please open it and explain the following. No second book may be used-if so, it becomes evidence of its own falseness:

Exodus 20:3 “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”

Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.”

Isaiah 43:10 “Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me”

1 Corinthians 8:4 “…we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one”

Ephesians 4:5-6 “One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all…”

John 17:13 “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent”

You need not explain this to Catholics. Joseph Smith is rendering account for his teachings even as we speak. May the Lord have mercy.
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zerinus,

I hate to quote myself, but I hear crickets rather than a response. You have no idea how many you have turned away from Mormonism through your rote repetitons, steadfast unreason and platitudes. The One True God blesses you for having done so. You have no answers.
 
hosemonkey said:
Does anyone who is not mormon recognize mormon baptism?
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Once God hits you upside the head with a Holy 2X4 and you convert to Christianity, not even the mormons recognize it! Does the BOM allow for best 2 out of 3?

I asked zerinus to respond to the KJV scripture that ol’ Joe hisself professed-that which demonstrates ONE God. It’s noisier in space than at zerinus’ keyboard.

Salt Lake City, we have a problem…
 
Philothea53 said:
😃 For someone who says they don’t care, you sure did spend a lot of time writing about it. Methinks thou doth protest too much.
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Indeed how true that is. Why would satan waste his time with those who only have bits (if any) of the truth. Why is it that no other Christian denomination endures the attacks against it as does the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church? Because it is the One true church founded by Jesus Christ under the headship of Petrus. And to each of the Popes the words “Tu es Petrus” echo the words of Jesus. The Spirt of Jesus and Petrus Govern the Catholic Church.
Yeahhhhhh absolutely in love with it.
Grace Angel.
 
BartBurk said:
The Episcopalians seem to. The current Episcopalian Bishop in SLC was baptized Mormon as a child and the Episcopalians accepted her Mormon baptism.
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And look at the state of the Episcopal organization today. Abortion, homosexuality, homosexual priests and female “bishops”,division and schism. Guess accepting mormon baptism ain’t too far out.:rolleyes:
 
hosemonkey said:
And look at the state of the Episcopal organization today. Abortion, homosexuality, homosexual priests and female “bishops”,division and schism. Guess accepting mormon baptism ain’t too far out.:rolleyes:
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It’s obvious Mormons don’t accept Catholic baptisms – I had a visit from my Bishop last night demanding that I either leave the Catholic Church, resign from the LDS Church or have a church court. My letter of resignation is going out today!
 
jmcrae said:
rmcmullan;2657497:
Only a Bishop who has been ordained as a Bishop by another Bishop who is in full communion with the Pope can ordain a priest. (That’s why, even though Luther was a priest, he had no authority to ordain anyone to the Lutheran “priesthood,” both because he was not a Bishop, and thus had no authority to ordain anyone, and because he was in schism from the Church. Of course, he tried to, anyway.)

Yes, only a priest or Bishop can do the Anointing of the Sick. A Deacon can witness a marriage, as well as a priest or Bishop. Ordinarily, a deacon, priest, or Bishop baptizes, but in an emergency situation where no Catholic member of clergy is available, anyone
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can baptize.

Okay, up to the point where the exception for baptism is made, it make sense to me. But I am still wondering why the exception? The reason why Mormons don’t accept the baptism of other religions is because they (get ready for it!) don’t recognize the authority of their priesthood. And it would seem for most sacraments, the Catholics feel the same. The thing about Luther not being able to ordain priests makes sense. And so I am wondering why Catholics allow Lutheran (or any Protestants for that matter) baptism when they don’t recognize their authority.

It would seem to me that Catholics view baptism as such an essential ordinance (tied to Original Sin and all) that they exclude it from needing priesthood authority. That it’s an outward sign of an inner committment. However, without the priesthood involved, there’s always the danger that too many insincere people will be baptised and then improperly nourished as new converts. I know there’s always that problem but that’s why I would want the priesthood involved. So I can see why it would be relegated to “only in case of emergency” status but that’s really not the case if a Protestant or Mormon wanted to become a Catholic. I’m sure RICA helps but still…
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I find that ironic in light of the mormon practice of early (uncatechized) baptism for converts and the ordinance can be performed by 16 year old boys. most LDS converts are baptized by young relatively untrained missionaries. RCIA on the other hand ensures that you know exactly what you are getting into.
 
majick275 said:
I find that ironic in light of the mormon practice of early (uncatechized) baptism for converts and the ordinance can be performed by 16 year old boys. most LDS converts are baptized by young relatively untrained missionaries. RCIA on the other hand ensures that you know exactly what you are getting into.
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Well, as you know Majick, we don’t have a catechism! It would probably be a good idea to develop one though. Give us 1,000 years. True, we do need to work on retaining members. It’s hardly a uniquely-LDS problem but the situation could use some improving. The balance between missionary work and retention is a toughie and it varies from area to area. Some area you need to be an investigator for over a year. In other areas, a week to a month. I was baptised within a week of meeting the missionaries.

As for the missionaries being untraiined. Maybe. They do have four year of seminary in high school. My son who went to Brasil got about a month of Portuguese but he knows it fairly well now (6 months left). SO maybe untrained but not unknowledgeable.

But back to the baptism exception…
 
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