RCC Decision Not to Recognize LDS Baptism!

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The LDS Church is the only true and living Church of God on earth today. There is no other.

zerinus
The LDS Church is the only true and living Church of God on earth today. There is no other.(Click,whirrrr) The LDS Church is the only true and living Church of God on earth today. There is no other. (Click,whirrrr) The LDS Church is the only true and living Church of God on earth today. There is no other.(Click,whirrrr)
 
That is false. That does not represent the official position of the LDS Church.
What do you mean it’s not the official position? It is in your own scriptures!
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt - (Joseph Smith History, Pearl of Great Price)
I am a professor of the Nicene Creed. What part of that creed is abominable (filthy, shameful, disgusting)? How does my profession of that creed make me “corrupt” (debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil)? If it is in your LDS scriptures, it is the official position of the LDS Church.

That’s what you have repeatedly affirmed.

Paul
 
What do you mean it’s not the official position? It is in your own scriptures!

I am a professor of the Nicene Creed. What part of that creed is abominable (filthy, shameful, disgusting)? How does my profession of that creed make me “corrupt” (debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil)? If it is in your LDS scriptures, it is the official position of the LDS Church.

That’s what you have repeatedly affirmed.

Paul
Paul,
zerinus is not going to admit to anything that he can weasel out of. He knows what the mormon “scripture” says, he chooses to ignore it.
 
I am afraid you don’t know what you are talking about. I have already discussed this subject at length in my Blog. You can read it here.

zerinus
Zerinus, it is not true that a mormon has a choice to follow or not follow what a mormon prophet says. Your lesson manuals clearly state that a prophet is to be submitted to, without exception. There is no option presented to pick or choose what will or will not be followed, based on Holy Ghost burning bosoms or anything else.

So, what a prophet says, goes. Same today, same 50 years ago. Same a hundred years ago. So, when mormon prophets were teaching that the Catholic church was the whore of Babylon, every mormon followed this teaching.

Just because the current prophet has some sort of historical amnesia and says that was never taught. Or that a previous prophet was “speaking as a man”. Or that because it is not taught today it isn’t “doctrine”. It doesn’t change the fact that when a particular prophet is leading the mormon church. EVERYTHING they say is to be believed and adhered to.

From a current mormon sunday school manual…

“Our obedience to the Prophet is a measure of our faithfulness”

lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b3bc55cbf541229058520974e44916a0/?vgnextoid=32c41b08f338c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=7cac767978c20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&hideNav=1&contentLocale=0
 
I am beginning to wonder if one of the posterZ on this site is computer generated…:hmmm:

As I said, he/she/it has definitely improved my prayer life.
Quite likely 😃

The point is that we Catholics welcome all and everyone, affording them the respect and courtesy that is due and their right.

I do however wonder if we would receive the same if we tried to register on a LDS site. I suspect they would not even accept our registration.

Worth a bit of research 😃
 
**PaulDupre;2653047 [/quote said:
]What do you mean it’s not the official position? It is in your own scriptures!

I am a professor of the Nicene Creed. What part of that creed is abominable (filthy, shameful, disgusting)? How does my profession of that creed make me “corrupt” (debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil)? If it is in your LDS scriptures, it is the official position of the LDS Church.

That’s what you have repeatedly affirmed.

Paul

When welcoming new contributors to CAF often inform of the diversity of folk, information and knowledge available on CAF. I think that maybe Paul Dupre bears testimony to the specialism and expertise to be found here…and one of the hazards if you come here to pick a fight 😃
 
Zerinus, it is not true that a mormon has a choice to follow or not follow what a mormon prophet says. Your lesson manuals clearly state that a prophet is to be submitted to, without exception. There is no option presented to pick or choose what will or will not be followed, based on Holy Ghost burning bosoms or anything else.

So, what a prophet says, goes. Same today, same 50 years ago. Same a hundred years ago. So, when mormon prophets were teaching that the Catholic church was the whore of Babylon, every mormon followed this teaching.

Just because the current prophet has some sort of historical amnesia and says that was never taught. Or that a previous prophet was “speaking as a man”. Or that because it is not taught today it isn’t “doctrine”. It doesn’t change the fact that when a particular prophet is leading the mormon church. EVERYTHING they say is to be believed and adhered to.

From a current mormon sunday school manual…

“Our obedience to the Prophet is a measure of our faithfulness”

lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b3bc55cbf541229058520974e44916a0/?vgnextoid=32c41b08f338c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=7cac767978c20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&hideNav=1&contentLocale=0
You have not understood. Blind obedience is not something that is expected of Latter-day Saints.

zerinus
 
What do you mean it’s not the official position? It is in your own scriptures!

I am a professor of the Nicene Creed. What part of that creed is abominable (filthy, shameful, disgusting)? How does my profession of that creed make me “corrupt” (debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil)? If it is in your LDS scriptures, it is the official position of the LDS Church.

That’s what you have repeatedly affirmed.

Paul
You have not understood the meaning of those words, and I do not believe you want to.

zerinus
 
You have not understood the meaning of those words, and I do not believe you want to.

zerinus
zerinus,
Perhaps you could explain the meaning of those words in such a way that we we stupid Catholics could understand.
 
zerinus,
Perhaps you could explain the meaning of those words in such a way that we we stupid Catholics could understand.
You are making a big mistake if you think that all Catholics are as stupid as you are!

zerinus
 
You are making a big mistake if you think that all Catholics are as stupid as you are!

zerinus
It looks to me that the rest of the people are having the same problem understanding your logic as I am. Your official mormon “scriptures” call us “an abomination” and yet you say that they don’t.
Explain please. I will forgive your rude and uncultured comment this time, but the next time I will report your crass behavior to the moderator.
 
You have not understood the meaning of those words, and I do not believe you want to.

zerinus
Well, I’ll take a stab at it. When I was LDS, I assumed the “professors” were the ministers and leaders of the various denominations, not the people within the denominations themselves. So Paul Dupre would not have been one of those who was considered a “professor.” It wouldn’t make any sense to refer to the general membership of the denominations as corrupt – only those were were leading them. At least that is how I interpreted it as a Latter-day Saint, and I think that was the general interpretation. Professors meant those who were teaching (ministers), not the students who were listening (members of the denomination).
 
Well, I’ll take a stab at it. When I was LDS, I assumed the “professors” were the ministers and leaders of the various denominations, not the people within the denominations themselves. So Paul Dupre would not have been one of those who was considered a “professor.” It wouldn’t make any sense to refer to the general membership of the denominations as corrupt – only those were were leading them. At least that is how I interpreted it as a Latter-day Saint, and I think that was the general interpretation. Professors meant those who were teaching (ministers), not the students who were listening (members of the denomination).
A “professor” is “one who professes” - I think you are confusing it with the word that we use for an instructor of University courses or college courses - that’s not what’s meant by the “professor” of a Creed, though.

All Catholics profess the Creed at every Sunday Mass; thus, all Catholics are “professors” of the Creed.
 
A “professor” is “one who professes” - I think you are confusing it with the word that we use for an instructor of University courses or college courses - that’s not what’s meant by the “professor” of a Creed, though.

All Catholics profess the Creed at every Sunday Mass; thus, all Catholics are “professors” of the Creed.
I think you are looking at it as a Catholic would. Joseph Smith and his comrades had problems with ministers, not with members of congregations. The focus was on those who were leading the revivals. When Joseph Smith was talking about professors he meant it as an American would – a teacher. I think most Mormons see it that way. Joseph would not have been referring to the general membership of the churches as corrupt. We have to look at the word as Joseph meant it, not how we would see it. I do have to tell you it really seems to me a stretch to believe that most Catholics would even see it as other than referring to the ministers of the congregations. Perhaps it is hard for you to understand the contempt the early LDS had for professional clergy – this is one of the themes that runs throughout the Book of Mormon. Priestcraft was consideered an abomination by these people.
 
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You have not understood the meaning of those words, and I do not believe you want to.
Zerinus, you are so horribly misguided that the only compassionate thing left to do for you is to pray that God shows you the True path and gives you the wisdom and the opportunity to follow that path. Good luck to you, Zerinus. You are in my prayers. May our Blessed Mother guide you home.:crossrc:
 
I do however wonder if we would receive the same if we tried to register on a LDS site. I suspect they would not even accept our registration.

Worth a bit of research 😃
You can register at mormonapologetics.com. I used to read the stuff posted there but no longer do. There is discussion about many topics and once in a while topics regarding Catholicism appear. If I remember correctly there were a couple of Catholics who responded.

Most people there are civil but there were some comments that I would say could be called “bashing” of non-mormon religions.

For certain, if you used the site to promote Catholicism, you would not be treated near as kindly as Zerinus is treated here.
 
I think you are looking at it as a Catholic would. Joseph Smith and his comrades had problems with ministers, not with members of congregations. The focus was on those who were leading the revivals. When Joseph Smith was talking about professors he meant it as an American would – a teacher. I think most Mormons see it that way. Joseph would not have been referring to the general membership of the churches as corrupt. We have to look at the word as Joseph meant it, not how we would see it. I do have to tell you it really seems to me a stretch to believe that most Catholics would even see it as other than referring to the ministers of the congregations. Perhaps it is hard for you to understand the contempt the early LDS had for professional clergy – this is one of the themes that runs throughout the Book of Mormon. Priestcraft was consideered an abomination by these people.
The speaker in the passage is supposed to be Jesus himself. Jesus is not an American. I assume that Jesus knows what a “professor” of a given creed is. Whether current LDS understand what the word really means is immaterial. If the Mormon god says that all the creeds are an abomination and all the professors of those creeds are corrupt, I think he knows what he is saying.

Besides, the early Mormons condemned members of other churches as strongly as the leaders of those churches:
Apostle Orson Pratt proclaimed: “Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent” (The Seer, p. 255 - emphasis mine).
God bless,
Paul
 
Zerinus, you are so horribly misguided that the only compassionate thing left to do for you is to pray that God shows you the True path and gives you the wisdom and the opportunity to follow that path. Good luck to you, Zerinus. You are in my prayers. May our Blessed Mother guide you home.:crossrc:
This is very insightful, and good advice.

I do wish he would tell us why he started this thread – it is fully consistent with him having doubts about what he claims in it, and needing to yell about it for the benefit,primarily, of his own ears – so we could better direct our prayers.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
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