RCC Decision Not to Recognize LDS Baptism!

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I’m a bit confused. When I joined this FOURM I did so thinking this was a discussion group - you post, I post, he posts, we all post back and forth in conversational mode. Suddenly we are being told that we post THEN we click on a link to get someone’s blogged response to our post? :confused: Gee, if I wanted to read blogs, I would search the Internet for ones that were written by intelligent people talking about things I wanted to read about. Why would I join a forum to be directed to someone’s badly written blog?

Am I all alone in my confusion?:rolleyes:
 
Philothea53 said:
I’m a bit confused. When I joined this FOURM I did so thinking this was a discussion group - you post, I post, he posts, we all post back and forth in conversational mode. Suddenly we are being told that we post THEN we click on a link to get someone’s blogged response to our post? :confused: Gee, if I wanted to read blogs, I would search the Internet for ones that were written by intelligent people talking about things I wanted to read about. Why would I join a forum to be directed to someone’s badly written blog?

Am I all alone in my confusion?:rolleyes:
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No, you are not. Zerinus has proven himself to be a jerk and as one who is not interested in civilized dialog. I think the time has come for us to hit the IGNORE button and send zerinus off to well-deserved oblivion.
 
hosemonkey said:
No, you are not. Zerinus has proven himself to be a jerk and as one who is not interested in civilized dialog. I think the time has come for us to hit the IGNORE button and send zerinus off to well-deserved oblivion.
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👍 Then we all say a prayer for him :gopray: , put him in our prayer book :signofcross: , say a rosary for his eyes to opened :gopray2:
 
Philothea53 said:
I’m a bit confused. When I joined this FOURM I did so thinking this was a discussion group - you post, I post, he posts, we all post back and forth in conversational mode. Suddenly we are being told that we post THEN we click on a link to get someone’s blogged response to our post? :confused: Gee, if I wanted to read blogs, I would search the Internet for ones that were written by intelligent people talking about things I wanted to read about. Why would I join a forum to be directed to someone’s badly written blog?

Am I all alone in my confusion?:rolleyes:
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:rotfl: Just like if some called YOUR HOUSE and asked to put YOU on hold…what do you do? You hang up!

Ignore button is a great feature.

I’ve not been participating in this thread, just reading…but your post got a chuckle out of me. 👍
 
Pssst - I forgot. It’s Sunday. Zerinus will be at church for at least three hours. We may not see him at all today.
 
Philothea53 said:
Pssst - I forgot. It’s Sunday. Zerinus will be at church for at least three hours. We may not see him at all today.
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Actually, I have been surprised to see zerinus here on Sunday. Most mormons that I know do not consider internet activity as “keeping the Sabbath day Holy”. I think that zerinus believes he is posting for Joseph.
 
Philothea53 said:
You really think they learn anything in that half hour before school in the morning? For my boys it was donut and wake up time. I don’t believe it would be much different in other areas.
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Well, the efficacy can be argued but at least it’s four years more of scripture study than Catholic kids get. Do you have a better program in mind? It works better in Utah where they have “release time” seminary and it’s after school. Part of the problem is the US school system isn’t very flexible in supporting such things. But that’s another topic.

Come to think of it, when I grew up in Canada, the Catholic kids had a much better chance of getting taught Catholic doctrine. As a taxpayer and a parent, you can designate that your taxes go to either the seperate or public school system. If they went to seperate, you could send your kids to Catholic school on the taxpayer;s monies.
 
The local parish’s in SLC have religious education courses for all ages, including children and teens. No taxpayer funds required to support it, as it should be.

I was in the lds seminary system for four years, and I can’t say that I learned any more there than I did at all the other places my parents sent me, ie, primary, Sunday school and yw. If anything, mormons do an over kill with religious education.

However, mormons are not taught how to answer the questions that are raised here. Mormons are taught to not raise the questions at all. They are taught to sit and learn and raise their hands in agreement.
 
rmcmullan said:
Well, the efficacy can be argued but at least it’s four years more of scripture study than Catholic kids get. Do you have a better program in mind?
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Sure, I have a much better program in mind. However you would have to attend the Catholic Church to get it. There is CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine - Catechism) through high school graduation for public school kids, in my Parish and many others, the 5:00 Mass on Sundays is designated as the “Life Teen” Mass where the Liturgy is geared toward middle and high schoolers. In addition, they meet after Mass for more learning and socialization (cookies, instead of donuts.) AND, Catholic school grades 1 - 12 is world-known. Religion classes every day and attendance at daily Mass at least once during the school week and more if it is a particular feast day. You should know more about your subject before posting with such apparent authority and arrogance.
 
rmcmullan said:
Well, the efficacy can be argued but at least it’s four years more of scripture study than Catholic kids get. Do you have a better program in mind?
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Your ignorance is showing!

So you actually thought Catholic religious education ended at middle school?:eek:

High schoolers still have the most important sacrament to prepare for, Confirmation. This is the sacrament which is most comparable to Mormon baptism. Juniors in high school are the ones that receive Confirmation here.

In order to prepare for the sacrament, there are many many requirements. I remember having to put in so many hours of social work with St. Vincent de Paul and we had numerous retreats. Not including our regular youth group attendance and mass attendance. Yes, they take attendance at mass when you’re preparing for a sacrament.

When I signed up my kids for CCD a couple weeks ago, I noticed that they now require them to write an essay to the bishop. There was probably more, but I just scanned the list since my kids are a long ways off from Confirmation.

Youth group or Life Teen are the CCD programs for 9-12. (Funny, but I always understood CCD= Catholic Christian Doctrine)

We also have teen mass on Sundays at 5 pm.
 
You guys are confusing me comparing LDS seminary with mass. There is very little instruction in a mass outside of the homily. An LDS sacrament meeting is mostly instruction after the sacramanet has been administered.

As for the teen programs you are referring to, I must assume that they’re local programs because I was a Catholic when I was in high school and there was nothing offered. Also why are you talking about teens preparing for confirmation? Doesn’t that happen at 12? That’s when I was confirmed.

To compare the Catholic instruction available to teens to the LDS program to prepare them for missions is stretching your credibility. The Young Men/Young Womans program in any LDS ward is much superior to any Catholic experience. I can barely believe you are trying to make that claim.
 
rmcmullan said:
You guys are confusing me comparing LDS seminary with mass. There is very little instruction in a mass outside of the homily. An LDS sacrament meeting is mostly instruction after the sacramanet has been administered.

As for the teen programs you are referring to, I must assume that they’re local programs because I was a Catholic when I was in high school and there was nothing offered. Also why are you talking about teens preparing for confirmation? Doesn’t that happen at 12? That’s when I was confirmed.

To compare the Catholic instruction available to teens to the LDS program to prepare them for missions is stretching your credibility. The Young Men/Young Womans program in any LDS ward is much superior to any Catholic experience. I can barely believe you are trying to make that claim.
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You can not compare the Mass to an LDS sacrament meeting. Where the Catholic Mass is a solemn celebration of the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist with readings from Holy Scripture (the Bible) from the OT, the Psalms and a Gospel reading where Christ speaks to us, and our Priest gives a homily - a talk where he defines the readings we have just heard and applies them to our lives. Your sacrament meeting consists of pieces of Wonder Bread and tiny cups of water and lots of tears as people get up and give their “personal testimonies.”

Of course if your parents, *when you were Catholic *chose not to send you to Catechism you would not know about it. Doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. I’m old enough to be a Grandmother. We moved around alot. Always had CCD classes either during the week or on Saturday mornings all the way through high school. So did my children. In college my kids would spend time between classes at the Newman Center, the Catholic student center parish on campus. For privacy reasons I won’t post a link to the one on his campus but here is one that is similar. thenewmancenter.net/wcms/index.php?students You can see just how much is available even to young adults.

High school teens who attend the Life Teen Mass on Sundays and the meeting afterward and the middle school students who attend the meetings on Wednesday evenings would beg to differ with you. You can find out more about Life Teen here: lifeteen.com/

Those who have attended Catholic School - you know, 7:30 - 4:30 everyday for the duration of the school year, get an education that is unparalleled not just in the 3 R’s but in their faith. As I said before and you seemingly ignored, they have religion classes every day along with the reading, writing and arithmetic. Grades 1 to 12. The LDS church has nothing remotely similar. Going to Salt Lake City to prepare to serve a mission where the mostly young men learn just enough of a foreign language to get by and to memorize theie sales pitch hardly compares.

You should no longer be confused or have to assume anymore.
 
Sorry Philothea53, but you’re being ridiculous. I can’t even answer such a posting as yours. If you want to engage in meaningful and uplifiting discussion, I’ll hear you out but that doesn’t seem to be your purpose here. Good day, sir!
 
rmcmullan said:
Sorry Philothea53, but you’re being ridiculous. I can’t even answer such a posting as yours. If you want to engage in meaningful and uplifiting discussion, I’ll hear you out but that doesn’t seem to be your purpose here. Good day, sir!
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After saying this:
You guys are confusing me comparing LDS seminary with mass. There is very little instruction in a mass outside of the homily. An LDS sacrament meeting is mostly instruction after the sacramanet has been administered.
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As for the teen programs you are referring to, **I must assume **that they’re local programs because I was a Catholic when I was in high school and there was nothing offered. Also why are you talking about teens preparing for confirmation? Doesn’t that happen at 12? That’s when I was confirmed.
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To compare the Catholic instruction available to teens to the LDS program to prepare them for missions is stretching your credibility. The Young Men/Young Womans program in any LDS ward is much superior to any Catholic experience.** I can barely believe you are trying to make that claim.**
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…you now expect me to think you are in this for meaningful and uplifting as in I take your insults and criticisms and let you get away with it without educating you to the truth? :rolleyes:

I answered all your points. Now you need to get out of it but instead of admitting maybe you were off course - “Good day to you, too, sir.” :tiphat:
 
RebeccaJ said:
Actually, I have been surprised to see zerinus here on Sunday. Most mormons that I know do not consider internet activity as “keeping the Sabbath day Holy”. I think that zerinus believes he is posting for Joseph.
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:rotfl:

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rmcmullan said:
You guys are confusing me comparing LDS seminary with mass. There is very little instruction in a mass outside of the homily. An LDS sacrament meeting is mostly instruction after the sacramanet has been administered.

As for the teen programs you are referring to, I must assume that they’re local programs because I was a Catholic when I was in high school and there was nothing offered. Also why are you talking about teens preparing for confirmation? Doesn’t that happen at 12? That’s when I was confirmed.

To compare the Catholic instruction available to teens to the LDS program to prepare them for missions is stretching your credibility. The Young Men/Young Womans program in any LDS ward is much superior to any Catholic experience. I can barely believe you are trying to make that claim.
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apparently things are different now than what you encountered. Catholic parents have the opportunity to send their kids to Catholic schools all the way through. this allows daily religion class and weekly mass (at least) in addition to sundays and youth programs.

CCD is offered weekly through high school and is pretty thoroughly structured in most places with a full time Director of religious education as a parish employee. then add trained catechists for each class. these include numerous sacramental preparation classes to prepare kids fro everything from baptism (RCIC) to first communion to confirmation (age depends on the diocese but most in Texas do it at 16) and on through 12th grade.

there also full time, trained youth ministers at most parishes with a thriving CYO program.

these, in my mind compare very favorably with LDS seminary, YM/YW and sunday school programs. I would hardly consider most LDS sacrament meetings as “instruction” in this context as they tend to be mostly lay members chosen from the general membership and not possesed of any doctrinal authority nor training. in fact more than one bishop has had to correct doctrinal errors spoken by well meaning but “ignorant” (not an insult here) speaker. I also would question that LDS programs are solely or even primarily designed as mission preparation. after all, the young ladies certainly aren’t heavily recruited to serve missions. most LDS youth programs in my experience ended up with a lot boys playing basketball and girls making crafts. the lack of training for LDS callings is in my opinion very problematic.
 
Gerry_Hunter said:
What it all comes down to is that to merely say “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” is one thing, and to INVOKE the Father who is the one God, the Son who is the one God, and the Holy Spirit who is the one God is another thing altogether – the essence of a Trinitarian invocation.

And there’s the difference.

Blessings,

Gerry
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