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hosemonkey
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That is out and out blasphemy. These people are more lost than I ever thought. So sad.
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hosemonkey
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zerinus, do you have the guts to respond to this post, or will you weasel out?“By the way, the LDS website has a great feature for playing those hymns as notes, as music, or with voice. Have a look, it is good fun to play with.”
Zerinus, I would sooner play with a poisonous serpent.
Mormons don’t worship Joseph Smith? Poppycock! I went to a mormon wedding some time ago (reluctantly) and there, the happy couple was told by the presider(a “bishop”) that the only way to heaven was by (guess who?) Ol’ Joe Smith! Not through Jesus, but by the old Fornicator himself. Sounds like you mormons have surely replaced Our Lord Jesus Christ with a dead reprobate. Is that so, zerinus?
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Rbt_Southwell
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hosemonkey:
It’s the nature of a weasel to act like a weasel and suck all the logic and common sense out of a discussion (like a weasel sucks an egg).
Forget this Zerinus guy.
Shun him. He is uncharitable and seems to be impervious to attempts at ‘suspension’ by the Forum Administrators.
Let’s keep praying for his turning from that non-Christian sect.
Robert
It’s the nature of a weasel to act like a weasel and suck all the logic and common sense out of a discussion (like a weasel sucks an egg).
Forget this Zerinus guy.
Shun him. He is uncharitable and seems to be impervious to attempts at ‘suspension’ by the Forum Administrators.
Let’s keep praying for his turning from that non-Christian sect.
Robert
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Zooey
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Yes, I agree…They are so blinded by the Mormon lie, that they have no idea, even, that they are not even Christian.
Lots of prayer needed for this folks…
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Kristine1957
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:twocents: I think Zerinus thinks he is gonna get some potential converts here since he keeps telling everyone to go to His Blog Its pretty interesting though alot of the Mormons on this forum are NO LONGER MORMON and will never be again no matter what he says.
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Many Mormons are finding that there is only one true religion on this earth. Christ…our teacher… never took away what he left us he just wants us to study, pray, listen and be faithful and…
Come and follow him NOT Come and follow Joseph Smith…signofcross:
.Many Mormons are finding that there is only one true religion on this earth. Christ…our teacher… never took away what he left us he just wants us to study, pray, listen and be faithful and…
Come and follow him NOT Come and follow Joseph Smith…signofcross:
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PaulDupre
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Hey guys,
Lay off Zerinus. I say that because I recall (and others have reminded me) that as a Mormon I was at my most annoying and virulent just before I finally realized that I had been scammed and left the Morg. I have seen the pattern many times in others, so when a cultist gets very nasty and starts damning everyone to hell and calling them apostates etc., I assume that his “hive mind” is probably in its final death throws. I see it as a sign of hope. The fact that he’s here at all is another sign that he is seeking the truth. He knows in his inner-most being that the Mormon position is just not supportable. Having been through it, I feel bad for the guy.
I’m not kidding,
Paul
Lay off Zerinus. I say that because I recall (and others have reminded me) that as a Mormon I was at my most annoying and virulent just before I finally realized that I had been scammed and left the Morg. I have seen the pattern many times in others, so when a cultist gets very nasty and starts damning everyone to hell and calling them apostates etc., I assume that his “hive mind” is probably in its final death throws. I see it as a sign of hope. The fact that he’s here at all is another sign that he is seeking the truth. He knows in his inner-most being that the Mormon position is just not supportable. Having been through it, I feel bad for the guy.
I’m not kidding,
Paul
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Philothea53
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Yes, I agree. In fact, I think we should all call on our favorite saint, and ask their intercession to help us flood Heaven with prayers for him.
Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and Blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen
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twosweetgirls
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Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, have mercy on me, a sinner. And please, sweet Saviour, shower your truth-shining grace in overabundance through your Blessed Mother on those who walk now in darkness, that they will soon walk in True Light.
In Your Holy, Incomparable Name. Amen.
In Your Holy, Incomparable Name. Amen.
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hosemonkey
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Good for you, guys. Coals of fire.
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PaulDupre
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That’s the spirit!
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Philothea53
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hosemonkey, paul - join us.
Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and Blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death. Amen
Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and Blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death. Amen
po18guy
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Amen, Paul. First guilty right here.
I have confessed it. God is clearly working on Mormons to reveal His truth to them. There will be celebration in Heaven when he converts. I am praying for him.Christ’s peace.
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po18guy
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We actually ask for Mary’s intercession with her Blessed Son, our Lord Jesus. We do this because God is father not of the dead, but of the living. This was revealed during the transfiguration, as Christ spoke with Moses and Elijah.
Christ’s peace.
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lukewarm
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Maybe out of fairness you should lay off telling Catholics what and who we worship then? Because that hymn sounds like clear worship to me, but if you tell me you don’t worship Joseph Smith I would say O.K. you would know better…
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zerinus
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Okay, I grant that you have a small point there—but only a small one. I am convinced that it is contrary to the revealed word of God, the order of heaven, and all true religious practice, to “petition” any supernatural being (which is what the dead are), in any shape or form, for anything. To do so amounts to some form of idolatry. Maybe Catholics who do that, do so out of ignorance, and are not aware of the errors of their practice; but error nevertheless it is. Of that I have little doubt. A scriptural reference may help to illustrate my point. You may have forgotten the story of Daniel; so here is a quote:
Daniel 6:
6 Then these presidents and princes assembled together to the king, and said thus unto him, King Darius, live for ever.
7 All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
13 Then answered they and said before the king, That Daniel, which is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the decree that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition [to his God] three times a day.
What had King Darius done wrong? Well, he did quite a few things wrong, which afterward made him sorry when he realized it. But he did one thing wrong which was worse of all—that was to put himself in the place of God by asking everyone to petition him rather than God for anything. To petition a dead person (or any supernatural being) for anything, other than the God of heaven, is to put them in the place of God, a place that is reserved exclusively for God, and that is wrong. I don’t care what anybody says; that is, and always will be wrong.
I thought I gave a clear example to illustrate my point. If singing the hymn “America the Beautiful” amounts to worshipping America; then singing the hymn “Praise to the Man” amounts to worshipping Joseph Smith. I don’t think that it does, in either case.
Well, like I said, you have a small point—but only a small one. It may be that the Catholics who do that do so out of ignorance, and don’t really know what they are doing; but that does not make good the error of the practice. The heathen who worship idols also often do it out of ignorance, and don’t know the error of their ways; but that does not make good the error of the practice. Paul said this about the practices of the heathen at that time:
Acts 17:
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; * but now commandeth all men every where to repent:*
In other words, up to that point God in His mercy had overlooked the ignorance of the heathen, because they hadn’t known any better; but now that the light of the gospel had shined, the heathen (who had had the gospel preached to them) had no more excuse. With the advent of the Restoration, a similar situation prevails in the world today—not only with respect to the heathen, but also to the Christian world.
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hosemonkey
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zerinus, what “restoration?”
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Leopard
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Fair enough. I take it, then, that you would also agree that the Mormons who worship Joseph Smith do so only out of ignorance and don’t really know what they are doing?
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zerinus
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I have to disagree. I think that the analogy is a strong one. In the one case we are extolling the virtues of “the man,” and in the other case we are extolling the virtues of “America”. When we extol the virtues of “the man,” we do so because he “communed with Jehovah”. That makes it clear that it is “Jehovah” that is uppermost in our thought; we are putting Him on the higher pedestal than Joseph Smith. If we are praising Joseph Smith because he “communed with Jehovah,” that means that Jehovah is receiving the higher praise than Joseph Smith.
I am afraid I don’t! I would put that down to the Catholic Church’s incorrect understanding of the “communion of saints”. If the Catholic Church teaches that their doctrine of the “communion of saints” justifies one to pray to a saint or to Mary, then their theology of the “communion of saints” (whatever that is) must be in error. It is not scriptural.
I am sure the saints are very much alive in heaven. But there is a gulf between the living on earth, and the dead which are in heaven. They do not hear our petitions in heaven; neither are we commanded to petition them from the earth.
I am sure that that is what Catholics believe. I am equally sure that that belief is in error.
I totally disagree with you on that. There is absolutely no comparison between the decorative statutes that we have in our temples or churches, and the Catholic practice of praying, supplicating, and petitioning the saints or Mary. We do not worship, pray to, supplicate, nor petition those statutes. We do not kneel before them. We do not address them in prayer, either literally or symbolically. They are purely symbolic of what we believe. The Moroni statute symbolises the restoration of the gospel in the last days. The Christos stature symbolises our belief in the Saviour, and His creative role in the pre-existence. The Catholics literally kneel down before the statute of Mary and pray to her. Even granting that they do not pray to the statue but to Mary in heaven, that is something that we do not do.
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