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RebeccaJ
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That makes sense. Hardy pioneers…those martyrs…history, from a certain POV.
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Rachel_Malloy
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But this is a discussion forum. Not a “reference people to my blog forum”. Good form here is to discuss the topic to some depth in your post then at the end reference your blog for further details if there are more to provide.
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zerinus
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Thank you Rachel; but there are certain questions that are repeatedly asked of LDS, the answer to which are pretty rote. For example, take the question: ‘How to you reconcile Mormon doctrine of the plurality of gods with Isaiah 43:10: “before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me”’? This is a question that is asked of LDS every couple of weeks it seems; the answer to it is identical every time. I have two choices in answering such questions: one is to have a ready made answer which I can copy and paste every time; and the other is to post the answer on a website, and refer them to it. The advantage of a website is that there I can give a nice comprehensive explanation, which on this forum would run into multiple posts (due to 5,000 character restriction). I can’t think of a better option. If you have some other suggestion I will be interested to hear it.
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Robert_in_SD
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Sorry if I’m repeating what others have already posted, but hasn’t this issue been decided for quite a while?Read all about it in my latest blog!
zerinus.blogspot.com/2007/08/rcc-not-recognizing-lds-baptism.html
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My understanding, from what I’ve read, is that initially the church took a position of requiring a conditional baptism because, on its face, the LDS baptism is trinitarian. However, it was after a more in-depth analysis of LDS theology that the Church determined LDS trinitarian doctrine was so contrary to Catholic and mainstream christian doctrine, as to be insufficient. The triune nature of God is not understood or accepted in accordance with the Catholic understanding. Therefore, although it appears valid on its face, the baptism is not a valid form of baptism. Now, does the invalidity of the baptism make the LDS Church a non-christian religion? No. It is the doctrine underlying the faulty baptism that gives rise to serious question about whether or not the LDS church can be called christian. That is my understanding in a nutshell.
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zerinus
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I am going to have to disagree with you on that, rmcmullan. I think that the lessons strike a good balance between doctrinal and historical accuracy, and emotional appeal that is suited to that age group.
The teacher development course is also geared towards the younger age groups. Unfortunately that is not made clear to you when you are invited to attend one. But if you examine the Gospel Doctrine Teachers Manual (or better still, if you have the opportunity to teach it), you will realize that it is doctrinally serious and scripturally oriented. It teaches the doctrine directly out of scripture, which leaves little room for what you seem to be objecting to. If you have had the privilege of being taught by a great Gospel Doctrine teacher, you will already what an edifying, spiritually uplifting, and faith promoting experience it can be.
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rmcmullan
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Well, maybe you’re right Zerinus, I could be alone or at least in a minority on that opinion. No one else (in the teacher development class) seemed to be having as hard a time as me with it.
As for seminary, since I was baptised Mormon after college, I never attended it. However, I have five sons, four of which either have or are currently in seminary and they all seem to like it pretty well. I thought for sure some of them would object to the early hour (it starts at 6 a.m.), especially the sleepyheads but they all do pretty well. Four years of getting up at 5:30 a.m. And almost always they really like their teacher. So I have to assume they’re really doing something right.
As for seminary, since I was baptised Mormon after college, I never attended it. However, I have five sons, four of which either have or are currently in seminary and they all seem to like it pretty well. I thought for sure some of them would object to the early hour (it starts at 6 a.m.), especially the sleepyheads but they all do pretty well. Four years of getting up at 5:30 a.m. And almost always they really like their teacher. So I have to assume they’re really doing something right.
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majick275
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the answer is NOT the same. it depends on each individual LDs members interpretation. Z and his blog are not authoritative nor do they even agree with the “official” LDs position on this. IT has been shown repeatedly here that despite zerinus claims, eternal progression with it’s plurality of Gods IS currently taught as doctrine by the LDS church. the wave off of “i already answered that in my blog” not only arrogantly assumes that the only answer of importance is that of zerinus but it allows this forum to be used as a missionary soapbox rather than a discussion place.
the Mormon baptism cannot be valid because despite the words being the same there is no intent to baptize in the name of the trinity because mormons don’t believe it’s a trinity. even the definition of “God” is different. they believe in 3 completely separate beings in the godhead and believe that Gods are just exalted men no different from us except in their place along the developmental journey.
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zerinus
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I am glad to hear that, rmcmullan. Experience has shown that students who attend Seminary actually do better in their academic studies at school. Don’t ask me how; but apparently they do.
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hosemonkey
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My suggestion is that you stop referring people to your insipid blog and answer the questions put to you on this forum. This is not a soapbox for you to promote the false doctrine of the mormon organization.
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Kristine1957
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:twocents: Actually, I went to Z… blog and it is pretty dull.
Why is Z…even on this forum???You would think he could get more people listening to him if he was out beating the pavement on his bike.
I think the mormon church must be getting desperate.
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Philothea53
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zerinus, you forget this is a Catholic forum. Do you think that every question asked of a Catholic here is new and different? There are many faithful, patient souls who answer the same questions over and over. Why should you take advantage of this website (I notice you are not a Forum Sponsor to boot!) to push your religion? When the Catholics here answer a question, they answer here. Some might cut and paste snippets of a relevant article on the web with a link to that site to further answer a particular question, but they use the Forum the way it was intended - question and answer, as in a conversation. No one wants to read your dissertations. If we wanted that, we would go to a mormon site. Maybe you would be better off at one yourself. I’m sure you would find people there whom you could teach and lecture at will.
Nonetheless, zerinus, I pray for your eyes to be opened. I pray that your zeal for your faith finds a proper outlet. I pray for your salvation. I pray for you to come home to Rome.
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Philothea53
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For those who enjoy and appreciate this Forum as much as I do, remember, nothing in life is free - please go to:
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and make a pledge. I’m sure that no one expects you to take food out of your childrens’ mouths, but maybe one less Starbucks a week, brown bagging your lunch once in a while?
Let’s all do what we can to keep this Forum alive!
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and make a pledge. I’m sure that no one expects you to take food out of your childrens’ mouths, but maybe one less Starbucks a week, brown bagging your lunch once in a while?
Let’s all do what we can to keep this Forum alive!
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cascherman
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say the Catholic Church missed the trinitarian differences at first and corrected later, well personally I chalk it up to having to analyze twenty-five thousand plus different sets of doctrines. Gonna miss something somewhere. Or is the infallibility of the Catholic Church also understood as… ‘know everything of every protestant doctrine just by pure existence.’
as you say…
as you say…
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PaulDupre
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Welcome home, cascherman!
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po18guy
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Precisely! If that is what you believe, claim it out loud. We don’t, and we claim that out loud.
The peace of Christ (n. Son of the living God, one third of the Holy Trinity. syn: Jesus, Messiah, deliverer, annointed ) be with all of you.
po18guy
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He is here because the truth in Jesus Christ, Son of the living God, is too powerful to ignore. He is on his way to the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church. :bigyikes::twocents: Actually, I went to Z… blog and it is pretty dull.
You would think he could get more people listening to him if he was out beating the pavement on his bike.
The entire Host of Heaven will rejoice when this happens.
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Sixtus
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Er, sorry but I do not understand…Rome has spoken, the case is closed. What is there to argue about? 
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zerinus
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Why are you arguing then? Let me think, you are arguing that they shouldn’t argue! Hmmm!Er, sorry but I do not understand…Rome has spoken, the case is closed. What is there to argue about?
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lukewarm
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Zerinius from your blog you state “prayer is an act of worship”, at that same token wouldn’t singing hymns be an act of worship too? By your narrow definition of the word? If that is the case how do you reconcile singing hymns to Joseph Smith?Why are you arguing then? Let me think, you are arguing that they shouldn’t argue! Hmmm!
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Sixtus
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I am not arguing but stating a fact. There is no arguement in the fact.Why are you arguing then? Let me think, you are arguing that they shouldn’t argue! Hmmm!
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