RCIA whining

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I’m not sure where you’re getting this? I don’t attend the first half of the year of classes because I have a schedule conflict. As I’ve pointed out repeatedly, I am attending Mass regularly (as well as Adoration, which I hadn’t mentioned previously). RCIA is not an intrinsic part of practicing the faith, so I don’t feel that by missing it I’m not being a good Catholic or something. I don’t know what more involvement I could even be doing.
Would you want to go to a doctor who had never attended medical school because “going to medical school isn’t part of what working doctors do, so I didn’t really see it as being very important. I decided to just set up my practice and start working, because that’s what working doctors do.” 🤷
 
I’ve said multiple times that I’ve talked to the RCIA director, and I keep getting people being rude because they’re assuming I haven’t done that. It’s in the first post! I have a class that I need to take that is only offered at the same time - and I’m on limited time funding, so waiting around to take it later isn’t manageable.

And there’s a difference between “needing a degree in theology” and “understanding the basics.” I don’t get how people decide they want to join a church when they seem to have absolutely no idea what they’re getting in to. Every competent adult can learn the basics of sacramental theology and views of tradition. Where I grew up this is the sort of thing that was taught to 10 year old children. I don’t understand how an adult couldn’t master it easily.
 
1st post:
So I had my first talk with the RCIA director yesterday. I don’t so far have any major issues, just…the program seems so stupid!

(1) We’re using the YouCat book as the primary text. I mean, it’s a nice little book and all, but it’s still a kid’s catechism. I read through it already, it’s got a lot of basic points but doesn’t really do any work to explain them.

(2) The director seems to assume that people coming in had absolutely no grasp of the sacraments or what was going on. I find this odd - why would I start RCIA if I didn’t know the theology already?

(3) The few times I did try to ask a question, I got the baby “well we think baptism is very important” type of answers. I know it’s important, that’s why I was asking!

I know I have to go through it, but…ugh. I’d like somewhere to go where I can get real answers, not stuff that’s suitable for 12 year old children.
3rd post:
I can’t attend classes because of a schedule conflict. The director was giving me a bit of a hard time because she wasn’t sure I could learn the basics without being in classes. I felt like I couldn’t even get across what I understand - I tried to ask a serious question and got jumped back to the baby answer, it really felt very condescending. I’m just sort of shocked that this is the kind of teaching material they’d use for adults, or that someone would even want to join a church without knowing their basic theology.
Just making it easier to see earlier posts.

Yes, I’m referring to the third post, when I’m saying “work it out with your RCIA director.” You said she was giving you “a bit of a hard time.” But she’s really the one to talk to, not bystanders on CAF so much. She’s the one you have to work with in order to enter the Church in the spring.
 
Yes, I’m referring to the third post, when I’m saying “work it out with your RCIA director.” You said she was giving you “a bit of a hard time.” But she’s really the one to talk to, not bystanders of CAF so much. She’s the one you have to work with in order to enter the Church in the spring.
Yeah I know. It’s really hard to get a hold of her though…I’ve been told “we can work something out” but I had to tell one of the priests to get her to call me back after 3 phone messages and 2 emails just to be able to talk to me for 5min after mass.

Really though, there’s a reason I titled this post “whining” and not “advice” 😛 I’ll do what I need to, I’m just kind of annoyed with it.
 
Yeah I know. It’s really hard to get a hold of her though…I’ve been told “we can work something out” but I had to tell one of the priests to get her to call me back after 3 phone messages and 2 emails just to be able to talk to me for 5min after mass.

Really though, there’s a reason I titled this post “whining” and not “advice” 😛 I’ll do what I need to, I’m just kind of annoyed with it.
Well, I can tell you’re annoyed.

But it’s probably not going to change much about the process of coming into the Church.
 
Everyone is at a different place in their journey. Some know they are being called to the Catholic church and enter RCIA without knowing very much about the teachings of the Church. If they do not come from a Christian background, my personal opinion is that I’d rather they come into RCIA without getting a lot of information off of the internet. As much as I love CAF and the people who post, the information that some put out there is not 100% in line with church teaching. That can cause a lot of confusion. Then there are people like me. I was a baptized Christian grounded in my faith. I studied the CCC and spent time going over the whole catholic.com answers section. When the Holy Spirit led me to speak to my priest he didn’t feel that making me wait a year and going through RCIA would add anything to my level of faith and my knowledge of basic Church doctrine/dogma. 15 days later I was received the Sacraments. I’m still learning.

This afternoon I met with my Priest. I had a couple of questions. One based on something I’d read on the forum a couple of times and didn’t think was a teaching of the Church…turns out I was right. The 2nd was something I read in the CCC. I was hoping it was a translation problem in the wording. He read it and agreed it was problematic in the wording. Would these topics be brought up in RCIA? I don’t know, but I’m thrilled to have a Priest I can go to with questions who seems to enjoy answering them.

Sorry for the rambling.
 
I feel your pain.

Grit your teeth, play along, but when you get home, curl up with a chai latte and a copy of this: amazon.com/Fundamentals-Catholic-Dogma-Dr-Ludwig/dp/0895550091

or this: amazon.com/Moral-Theology-Heribert-Jone/dp/1258136406/ (ignore the “new” price, get a used copy for 1¢)

or this: amazon.com/Radio-Replies-Volumes-1-3-ebook/dp/B008NJEAZ6/ (that’s the kindle edition for 99¢, otherwise it’s a 3-volume paperback totalling over a thousand pages of questions you never even thought to ask)

Back when I was where you’re at now, these got me through. I devoured them like a dog with stolen sausages.
Thanks for the link, I just bought that. 🙂
 
Everyone is at a different place in their journey. Some know they are being called to the Catholic church and enter RCIA without knowing very much about the teachings of the Church. If they do not come from a Christian background, my personal opinion is that I’d rather they come into RCIA without getting a lot of information off of the internet. As much as I love CAF and the people who post, the information that some put out there is not 100% in line with church teaching. That can cause a lot of confusion. Then there are people like me. I was a baptized Christian grounded in my faith. I studied the CCC and spent time going over the whole catholic.com answers section. When the Holy Spirit led me to speak to my priest he didn’t feel that making me wait a year and going through RCIA would add anything to my level of faith and my knowledge of basic Church doctrine/dogma. 15 days later I was received the Sacraments. I’m still learning.

This afternoon I met with my Priest. I had a couple of questions. One based on something I’d read on the forum a couple of times and didn’t think was a teaching of the Church…turns out I was right. The 2nd was something I read in the CCC. I was hoping it was a translation problem in the wording. He read it and agreed it was problematic in the wording. Would these topics be brought up in RCIA? I don’t know, but I’m thrilled to have a Priest I can go to with questions who seems to enjoy answering them.

Sorry for the rambling.
That’s an exception to the rule, but he probably knows you pretty well it sounds like and maybe he knows you’re going to bring your questions, and you were ready psychologically and spiritually.

We did have a teaching phD in philosophy in this diocese, someone I know, who was received after meeting with the priest for a while too. His wife and kids were Catholic already and he had been attending mass for years and knew the priest well and all the details and practices of the faith. He was essentially already playing the role of a Catholic in everything except receiving the sacraments. It was time and he was ready.
It does happen, but it’s not what happens when most people come into the Church because most people are frankly not in that man’s position and situation.

Again, in the OP’s case, this is all about talking to the priest & the RCIA director and working out a plan to get done what they think needs to get done.
 
Well, I can tell you’re annoyed.

But it’s probably not going to change much about the process of coming into the Church.
It’s the internet. I doubt complaining on forums ever changed anything. Hence, whining.

If anything, I think the biggest practical issue is just the sheer difficulty of getting someone to sit down and talk to me. I feel like I’m having to jump through hoops just to be able to talk to someone, and when I do it’s a super-rushed thing where I don’t get to air any of my questions or concerns. I feel like I’m getting solutions based entirely on her assumptions about “what young adults coming into the church need” instead of what I actually know and don’t know, because she hasn’t taken the time to talk to me.
 
It’s the internet. I doubt complaining on forums ever changed anything. Hence, whining.

If anything, I think the biggest practical issue is just the sheer difficulty of getting someone to sit down and talk to me. I feel like I’m having to jump through hoops just to be able to talk to someone, and when I do it’s a super-rushed thing where I don’t get to air any of my questions or concerns.
How many people are in the current class? Sounds like you might be in a fairly large parish.

They may already know, from experience, that there will be plenty of time to talk to everyone and get to know their concerns once the class starts. People do come with all kinds of things that need to be sorted out.
 
That’s an exception to the rule, but he probably knows you pretty well it sounds like and maybe he knows you’re going to bring your questions, and you were ready psychologically and spiritually.
Yes he did. I am very blessed. The more I learn, the more I want to learn. I’m going to attend RCIA starting next week. I’m sure there will be a lot of things covered that I already know. That’s fine b/c it won’t hurt me to hear it again.
 
Yes he did. I am very blessed. The more I learn, the more I want to learn. I’m going to attend RCIA starting next week. I’m sure there will be a lot of things covered that I already know. That’s fine b/c it won’t hurt me to hear it again.
Good idea. I know, even as a Catholic, I like to attend programs sometimes, and enjoy the fellowship. I usually learn something, and not all of it from books.👍
 
And there’s a difference between “needing a degree in theology” and “understanding the basics.” I don’t get how people decide they want to join a church when they seem to have absolutely no idea what they’re getting in to. Every competent adult can learn the basics of sacramental theology and views of tradition. Where I grew up this is the sort of thing that was taught to 10 year old children. I don’t understand how an adult couldn’t master it easily.
The RCIA process is similar in many ways to two people entering a relationship. When you first meet a person there is an attraction. You might not know what it is about that person that you like but you want to know more. You start going out and it often takes a long time to really get to know that person. You don’t sit down for a dinner and interview them or study them so that you know all you can know about them. You discover who they are gradually and sometimes it takes years. Good relationships can’t be rushed. After a time, you may decide you want to get married, so you there is a time of growing deeper in the relationship. YOu meet the family and get to know them and deepen your relationship with them as well. You are part of the family, but not quite officially. Then comes the wedding, the consummation of what might have taken years of falling in love and committing to each other. But learning about each other never ends but grows as your marriage grows, as children come, as joys and sorrows occur. It’s the same with initiation into the Church. It has to be more than simply learning facts, it is the development of a relationship with Christ and with Christ’s Church.
 
The RCIA process is similar in many ways to two people entering a relationship. When you first meet a person there is an attraction. You might not know what it is about that person that you like but you want to know more. You start going out and it often takes a long time to really get to know that person. You don’t sit down for a dinner and interview them or study them so that you know all you can know about them. You discover who they are gradually and sometimes it takes years. Good relationships can’t be rushed. After a time, you may decide you want to get married, so you there is a time of growing deeper in the relationship. YOu meet the family and get to know them and deepen your relationship with them as well. You are part of the family, but not quite officially. Then comes the wedding, the consummation of what might have taken years of falling in love and committing to each other. But learning about each other never ends but grows as your marriage grows, as children come, as joys and sorrows occur. It’s the same with initiation into the Church. It has to be more than simply learning facts, it is the development of a relationship with Christ and with Christ’s Church.
^^^^^^^^awesome^^^^^^^^
 
The Rite was given to us by the Vatican; it’s not something that was just come up with by the local Ladies’ Aid. My understanding is that what comes from the Vatican is required to be used; it’s not optional unless they also mention other options.

There are various forms of RCIA, including shortened forms for people already baptized, but the only exemptions would be, someone who is fully Catechized and has been attending Mass and living the Catholic lifestyle for years, or someone coming in from any of the Eastern Churches. These exemptions are mentioned in the Rite itself.
Sorry, I should have said that the RCIA classes aren’t required now and never have been. There has always been the possibility of private instruction.

–Jen
 
How many people are in the current class? Sounds like you might be in a fairly large parish.

They may already know, from experience, that there will be plenty of time to talk to everyone and get to know their concerns once the class starts. People do come with all kinds of things that need to be sorted out.
That’s my point - I can’t actually make the classes, so I seem to be getting stuck with vague bits of “here’s some kids literature we’ll talk sometime but not really because no one will contact you or return your calls.” But last time there were only 5 people brought in at easter, so I can’t imagine it will be huge this time around.
 
That’s my point - I can’t actually make the classes, so I seem to be getting stuck with vague bits of “here’s some kids literature we’ll talk sometime but not really because no one will contact you or return your calls.” But last time there were only 5 people brought in at easter, so I can’t imagine it will be huge this time around.
Well, I mean you either want to enter the Church or you don’t want to enter the Church. There are RCIA classes for you, if you do. Maybe they expect you to be there.

If you’re not sure, you might want to show up at the appointed time and place and find out.
 
“the information that some put out there is not 100% in line with church teaching”

I’ve heard the same about some RCIA programs.
 
“the information that some put out there is not 100% in line with church teaching”

I’ve heard the same about some RCIA programs.
kkollwitz, that’s another topic. Read the original post please.
 
Well, I mean you either want to enter the Church or you don’t want to enter the Church. There are RCIA classes for you, if you do. Maybe they expect you to be there.

If you’re not sure, you might want to show up at the appointed time and place and find out.
Then when I talked to them they should have said that instead of telling me they’ll work something out and then not doing anything. What am I supposed to do, drop out of school and lose my job because they have to put the classes on one night I can’t do?
 
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