re: islamic claim to the temple mount

[anon52328184]

i mean that the covenant initiated between God and the hebrew people has not been broken.

 

[Lev23]

So who was God’s prophet calling them back this time, the United States, Great Britton, or the UNited Nations? Was Golda Mier themodern Moses?

Man ended this dispersion early. God will use this for good, and as. Man created the West’s best ally against violent Islam in Isreal. God has used it for good.

How can I say that God did not call them back? Because you have Jews who follow the practices and do not even beleive in God. That is one way. This is something that would not have been allowed 2,000 years ago.

Besides, I am one who said that Muslims have no claim on the land.

God has spoke it through his prophets, that he will allow them to come back into the land for HIS HOLY NAMESAKE, not because they deserved it. It seems to me there is some mocking going on with your first question.

Again, it is widely accepted that God allowed man to come into Israel and destroy it and disperse the Jews, so why is it sooooo mockable and hilarious for God to use man to write up and sign some papers to allow the process of the Jews to reenter the land of Israel to ultimately be restored through Jesus Christ?

Obviously they are back into the land because of God’s Grace, we should extend that Grace to them. They are not back in the land so the USA has a alley to fight with against violent Islam. We need to preach Jesus to them, for in Jesus Christ is victory in all things with no need for violence.

The Church should be proclaiming to all the nations what God is doing for the House of Israel today. And what he is doing for them is not for Israels sake, but so the nations know that he is the Lord.

**Ezekiel 36:16-23
Again the word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols. I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, ‘These are the LORD’s people, and yet they had to leave his land.’ I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.

"Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I show myself holy through you before their eyes. **

 

[ralphinal]

God has spoke it through his prophets, that he will allow them to come back into the land for HIS HOLY NAMESAKE, not because they deserved it. It seems to me there is some mocking going on with your first question.

Again, it is widely accepted that God allowed man to come into Israel and destroy it and disperse the Jews, so why is it sooooo mockable and hilarious for God to use man to write up and sign some papers to allow the process of the Jews to reenter the land of Israel to ultimately be restored through Jesus Christ?

Obviously they are back into the land because of God’s Grace, we should extend that Grace to them.

The Church should be proclaiming to all the nations what God is doing for the House of Israel today. And what he is doing for them is not for Israels sake, but so the nations know that he is the Lord.

**Ezekiel 36:16-23
Again the word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols. I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, ‘These are the LORD’s people, and yet they had to leave his land.’ I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.

"Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I show myself holy through you before their eyes. **

Because what lesson did the Jews learn? They always lose the land when they lose their relationship with God, and they get it back when they get it back. Contact some of the Jewish posters on here like Sephardic or Valke. Isreal is more secular than religious. Besides, if there is no name on heaven or earth but jesus in whom there is salvation, then why does it matter where the Jews are. I see no reason to think that the Jews have learned from the last dispersion and turned back 100% to God.

Yes, my first part was sarcastic. It was intentional. How can you be so sure that this was God’s time-line and not man’s? How can you be certain that now is when God wants them there?

 

[Lev23]

This matter concerning the false Jewish claim to the Haram al-Sharif in Jerusalem was recently discussed on another thread.

Kindly refer to these three posts: 1 → 2 → 3

The have been ssoooooo many archaeological finds in and around the Temple Mount site to prove Jewish presence on that Mount. For instance, a stone found from the southwest corner of the site had inscribed in Hebrew-“The Place of Trumpeting”. This stone marked the spot on the Temple wall where the Preist would blow the Trumpet, announcing the beginning of Sabbath.

 

[anon52328184]

ralph, please not the spelling of ISRAEL - not isreal.

 

[Lev23]

Because what lesson did the Jews learn? They always lose the land when they lose their relationship with God, and they get it back when they get it back. Contact some of the Jewish posters on here like Sephardic or Valke. Isreal is more secular than religious. Besides, if there is no name on heaven or earth but jesus in whom there is salvation, then why does it matter where the Jews are. I see no reason to think that the Jews have learned from the last dispersion and turned back 100% to God.

Yes, my first part was sarcastic. It was intentional. How can you be so sure that this was God’s time-line and not man’s? How can you be certain that now is when God wants them there?

Sorry, we are probably going off topic, I’ll start a new thread.

 

[anon52328184]

post #105 - - i meant note the spelling, i forgot the “e” at the end.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

what is the kingdom of david to you then?

The Church, and the Patriarchate of Jerusalem.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

How can you feel safe saying such things?! The God of Israel is always calling them back. Especially now since Jews from all over the world can come up from their graves(nations) and come back into the land. This is what Ezekiel 36 and 37 spells out. This is not talking about the Jews return from Babylon, for the remnant, that is God’s faithful remnant of Israel longed to come back to Israel to rebuild Jerusalem, etc. And they did. The House of Israel in Ezekiel 36 and 37 are described as dry, dead bones with no life, and most importantly, no spirit within them.

But St.Paul teaches God always has a faithful remnant of Israel. This remnant is now the Church, the bride of Jesus Christ, who now can stand in victory and rest because all promises of Israel are in Jesus Christ. AMEN!

So the House of Israel described in Ezekiel 36 is Israel outside the Church. We know the remnant of Israel(Church) is not a part of this because notice how God tells Israel in **verse 31 and 32-
Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign LORD. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, O house of Israel! **

Face it, this Israel in the land today, no matter how political, secular, and man-made it seems to you or the world, is ordained by God. I bet both dispersions of Israel looked man-made.

Zionist started and continued as a secular movement, with secular models and motives, without significant religious contment. How is its success ordained by God more than, say, the independance of Burundi?

I would much rather tell a Jew their God is allowing them back into their land(like prophecy foretells will happen) then saying God is not. By telling them not to bother going back into the land and that the land is “Palestine”, is aiding them in their unbelief.

Have you ever BEEN there? Not a hotbed of belief.

The Jews today are called out of all nations, in their disbelief, to come back into the land for one purpose only, to repent and turn back to God the way he wants to be known, that is by his only Son, the Jews Messiah, Jesus Christ. We know from prophecy this is the ultimate outcome of the Jews coming back into the land! So the Church right now is in a wonderful and unique time in Her history, where Her eschalogical brethern, the Jews are back in the land and still coming!!! What wonderful works for the Lord he has laid out for us! Let us be faithful and preach Jesus Christ and him crucified!

For the Temple Mount and Christs sacrifice on Calvary are both connected! There is NO Islamic claim to that Temple Mount!

 

[Isa_Almisry]

i agree. replacement theology gives the impression that judaism is no longer a valid religion or that the covenant is no longer valid.

Judaism is not, the OT is.

i also see cons, but we know that there are many out there that strongly believe in replacement theology.

i simply suggested that he research both sides to be objective and fair and form his opinion - which i think he has formed anyway.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

**Hello

I took from the Bible didn’t I

Yeah, but who wrote the book of Matthew? Still know one can tell me **

Matthew.

Duh.

So, God loves Israel so much that yall think they are still the chosen people? Get real, how can they? They are still disobeying God! Plus they refuse Jesus, the trinity, etc.!

 

[Isa_Almisry]

**Hello Deborahaz and good mornin,

okies, in brief

Shia’s well, I do not want to offend but if any are here they might say I am incorrect. But I will state what is factual inshaAllah (God willing).

Okies, First of all, if one studies the religion, you will find that in Islam, there will be/are 73 sects. There is only one true way and that is those who follow the Quran and Sunnah.

The Shia’s actually are the ones that gave the “sunni” name. **

That would be dumb, as they don’t believe that you follow the Sunna.

Your title comes from a group that called itself the Ahl al-Sunnah wa-Jama’ah “People of the Sunnah and Group” which was one of the ones that went into become you Sunnis.

True muslims do not identify with this title for in Islam, those who are on the correct way say they are trying to follow the Quran and Sunnah and the seleh assalah…the 1st 3 generations after the passing of Mohammad (sws)~they are the best of generations as quoted in sahih ahadith.

Indeed they do.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

**

who?

Shi’sm was not around during the time of Mohammad (sws) and Ali, his cousin was one of the strongest believers in Mohammad’s teachings and Allah’s Message. So, you cannot claim that the shi’ee’s were around “NO PROOF”**.
you can prove it from your sunnis sources. After Muhammad’s death Ali and the whole of the Banu Hashim (the Prophets family) refused to acknowlege Abu Bakr.

On this:
amazon.com/Succession-Muhammad-Study-Early-Caliphate/dp/0521646960/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221993364&sr=1-2

and the temporary marriage was forbidden if you read the history of the when and why’s. Is that too much to ask for someone who insists on saying what they have no knowledge of?

 

[Isa_Almisry]

i mean that the covenant initiated between God and the hebrew people has not been broken.

Not from God’s side.

 

[Lev23]

Zionist started and continued as a secular movement, with secular models and motives, without significant religious contment. How is its success ordained by God more than, say, the independance of Burundi?

So the government is secular, but the important thing is the Jewish people can come into the land today. Their success is and will be ordained by God because it was prophesied in scripture. We cannot say the same for Burundi.

The Israelis have an amazing power to invite Jesus back. For as harsh as the time between what Jesus said here and his 2nd coming is and will be for the chosen people, Jesus will come back to them if they repent from their ways and believe in the one they pierced.
Matthew23:39
For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'

Have you ever BEEN there? Not a hotbed of belief.

And why should it be a hotbed of belief with peoples attitude towards the place similar to yours?

Again, I started a new thread on this topic.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

So the government is secular, but the important thing is the Jewish people can come into the land today. Their success is and will be ordained by God because it was prophesied in scripture. We cannot say the same for Burundi.

The Israelis have an amazing power to invite Jesus back. For as harsh as the time between what Jesus said here and his 2nd coming is and will be for the chosen people, Jesus will come back to them if they repent from their ways and believe in the one they pierced.
Matthew23:39
For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'

And why should it be a hotbed of belief with peoples attitude towards the place similar to yours?

What? That God got out of the real estate business?

Again, I started a new thread on this topic.

 

[Lev23]

What? That God got out of the real estate business?

Very cute saying, but that is all it is.

 

[anon52328184]

isa, can you explain to me what it means to be arab orthodox? are you orthodox like in islam or orthodox like in catholic. i have to admit, after reading some of your posts, i am a little confused.

you seem to be very anti-israel, anti-jewish.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Very cute saying, but that is all it is.

How about “When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.” Hebrews 8:13.

 

[anon52328184]

isa, i see your signature so i assume you are othrodox christian. i get confused between orthodox and whether they are catholic or not.
i don’t understand why you are so anti-judaism. what does isa mean in arabic?