re: islamic claim to the temple mount

[Americanrevert]

**Hello

By Isa

Matthew.

Duh.

You really think Matthew wrote Matthew??? oh my…even the title says doubt “According to” Prove it if you think you really can lol…hope you are better than the Christian Theologians then lol
Deborah, Isa is the Arabic name for Jesus (on him peace) *

(I knew the Shi’ee post would cause chaotic issues) But they can believe what they wish…they are not Arabic scholars of ahul ahadith (family of hadith) nor of the one’s who explains the tafseer (explanation) of the Quran. But they may claim to find things without proper knowledge so let them carry on.) I will not reply~it isn’t worth getting into it.)

americanrevert**

 

[anon52328184]

thank you for telling me that isa is arabic for jesus americanrevert.

 

[Angelos]

**Hello

You really think Matthew wrote Matthew??? oh my…even the title says doubt “According to” Prove it if you think you really can lol…hope you are better than the Christian Theologians then lol
**

Since YOU are the one who doubts the identity of the author of the Gospel according to Matthew, it is YOUR duty to prove that it was not written by Matthew. We are waiting for historic evidence. Good luck to you

 

[dzheremi]

isa, can you explain to me what it means to be arab orthodox? are you orthodox like in islam or orthodox like in catholic. i have to admit, after reading some of your posts, i am a little confused.

you seem to be very anti-israel, anti-jewish.

This post and some others have got me thinking, and I hope I’m not just stirring up the pot here, but I’m not convinced that being anti-Jewish and disagreeing with certain Jewish claims are one and the same thing. I am not sure if that’s what you are thinking, Deborahaz (and please understand I am not trying to put words in your mouth, please by all means feel free to clarify your stance so that I can understand you better), but I have read through this whole thread, including Isa’s posts, and not really found much anti-Jew rhetoric. Or at least not any moreso than could be applied to any Christian, since obviously most Christians would agree that we are right in following the Messiah and not Judaism. I don’t think this is “anti-Judaism”. Neither is disagreeing with Israeli claims or policies, as Israel is not Judaism itself. In terms of percentage of the world’s Jewish population,there are nearly as many Jews in the United States (40.3%) as there are in Israel (40.6%)! Yet obviously many people disagree with the United States’ policy on many issues without ever being accused of being anti-anything other than the actual policy.

 

[hamba2han]

… Modern Isreal is not the same as ancient Isreal. Modern Isreal has no more claim to the mount as the Muslims. Judaism has the claim.

Judaism (from the Greek Ioudaïsmos, derived from the Hebrew יהודה, Yehudah, “Judah”; in Hebrew: יַהֲדוּת, Yahedut.

Judah was only one of the 12 tribes of Israel who were supposedly given the “title-deed” to the land by God.

What about the descendants of the other 11 Israelite tribes?.. Since most of them do not follow Judaism, then is it fair that they have been given less rights over the land?

Why is the “Judaeo-Christian God” being so unfair to the descendants of these other 11 Israelite tribes as compared to the descendants of Judah?

 

[Isa_Almisry]

isa, can you explain to me what it means to be arab orthodox?

Like Greek Orthodox, only in Arabic.

are you orthodox like in islam or orthodox like in catholic.

I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

i have to admit, after reading some of your posts, i am a little confused.

Why?

you seem to be very anti-israel,

I am anti-Zionist. Wasn’t always so: not until I saw a blind, 90 year Palestinian thrown out of the home of her family (she being the lone survivor) so a Settler could have it. When she asked where she could go, the soldiiers told her “your rich “cousins” in Saudi Arabia.”

Not to say I don’t like the idea of a Jewish center in Jerusalem, like Magnes, the founder of Hebrew University. He just didn’t want it at the point of a bayonet.

anti-jewish.

Not any more than St. Paul. We share a Hebrew ancetry, btw.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

**Hello

By Isa

You really think Matthew wrote Matthew??? oh my…even the title says doubt “According to” Prove it if you think you really can lol…hope you are better than the Christian Theologians then lol**
Do you think a cow wrote the second sura? LOL.
And according to you, Muhammad didn’t write any of the Quran because he was illiterate. LOL. Hope you are better than Muslim theologians, LOL.

Deborah, Isa is the Arabic name for Jesus (on him peace) *

 

[Angelos]

Judaism (from the Greek Ioudaïsmos, derived from the Hebrew יהודה, Yehudah, “Judah”; in Hebrew: יַהֲדוּת, Yahedut.

Judah was only one of the 12 tribes of Israel who were supposedly given the “title-deed” to the land by God.

What about the descendants of the other 11 Israelite tribes?.. Since most of them do not follow Judaism, then is it fair that they have been given less rights over the land?

Why is the “Judaeo-Christian God” being so unfair to the descendants of these other 11 Israelite tribes as compared to the descendants of Judah?

Why is the Islamic God being unfair by naming all the followers of the Torah after the tribe of Judah (Yahuddi in the Koran) ???

 

[Angelos]

Do you think a cow wrote the second sura? LOL.

 

[ralphinal]

This post and some others have got me thinking, and I hope I’m not just stirring up the pot here, but I’m not convinced that being anti-Jewish and disagreeing with certain Jewish claims are one and the same thing. I am not sure if that’s what you are thinking, Deborahaz (and please understand I am not trying to put words in your mouth, please by all means feel free to clarify your stance so that I can understand you better), but I have read through this whole thread, including Isa’s posts, and not really found much anti-Jew rhetoric. Or at least not any moreso than could be applied to any Christian, since obviously most Christians would agree that we are right in following the Messiah and not Judaism. I don’t think this is “anti-Judaism”. Neither is disagreeing with Israeli claims or policies, as Israel is not Judaism itself. In terms of percentage of the world’s Jewish population,there are nearly as many Jews in the United States (40.3%) as there are in Israel (40.6%)! Yet obviously many people disagree with the United States’ policy on many issues without ever being accused of being anti-anything other than the actual policy.

It is a fine line here. THere are many people who are anti-zionist that are not anti-Jewish. They oppose the way modern Israel was founded and how it oporates today.

There is a string push in some Evangelical and Fundamentalist circles, especially in the United States, to help Israel because God wants us to and that if we can get the Temple re-built, Jesus will call us all home.

In the United States, we have come to a place where if you oppose anything that I am, you hate me. People who oppose gay marrage are homophobes and bigots. People who have issues with Israel are anti-semitic. People who do not like the Catholic Church are anti-Catholic bigots. These generalizations are not always the case and are rarely helpful in discussion.

 

[anon52328184]

Like Greek Orthodox, only in Arabic.

I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Why?

I am anti-Zionist. Wasn’t always so: not until I saw a blind, 90 year Palestinian thrown out of the home of her family (she being the lone survivor) so a Settler could have it. When she asked where she could go, the soldiiers told her “your rich “cousins” in Saudi Arabia.”

Not to say I don’t like the idea of a Jewish center in Jerusalem, like Magnes, the founder of Hebrew University. He just didn’t want it at the point of a bayonet.

Not any more than St. Paul. We share a Hebrew ancetry, btw.

okay, isa, thank you for your reply. so where would you like to see the israelis settle if not in israel? and, have you never seen cruelty of any kind by palestinians against jewish people? i am not implying that only one side is guilty. and in your orthodox faith you do not believe in “love thy neighbor?”
this is why i am confused. if you have a sincere christian faith, shouldn’t you be praying for peace among the nations and praying to God to help resolve the problems and trusting that God is in control. there is definitely an underlying anger and hate in your posts when it comes to israel.
i apologize if i have misinterpreted your posts.

 

[Sam_777]

I am anti-Zionist. Wasn’t always so: not until I saw a blind, 90 year Palestinian thrown out of the home of her family (she being the lone survivor) so a Settler could have it. When she asked where she could go, the soldiiers told her “your rich “cousins” in Saudi Arabia.”

:ehh:

 

[inJESUS]

thank you for telling me that isa is arabic for jesus americanrevert.

actually Isa is *Islamic *for Jesus…Arab Christians call Yesuaa, not Isa.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

okay, isa, thank you for your reply. so where would you like to see the israelis settle if not in israel?

If their families were there before the Balfour Declaration’s implementation, they can settle anywhere they want that’s open. Expropriating the homes of others, of course, is a no no.

and, have you never seen cruelty of any kind by palestinians against jewish people?

I’ve seen both. Is it a contest?
I also hear what they say, both sides.

i am not implying that only one side is guilty. and in your orthodox faith you do not believe in “love thy neighbor?”

That includes the Palestinians, many of whom I am in commuinion with.

this is why i am confused. if you have a sincere christian faith, shouldn’t you be praying for peace among the nations and praying to God to help resolve the problems and trusting that God is in control.

And saying the Jews have title to the Temple Mount is going to achieve any of the above how.

there is definitely an underlying anger and hate in your posts when it comes to israel.

There’s lots to be angry about.

i apologize if i have misinterpreted your posts.

No problem.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

:ehh:

Yes, those were my thoughts exactly.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

actually Isa is *Islamic *for Jesus…Arab Christians call Yesuaa, not Isa.

Yes, Isa is only for naming your kids. Yasuu’ is for God, which the Muslims don’t use for obvious reasons.

 

[anon52328184]

If their families were there before the Balfour Declaration’s implementation, they can settle anywhere they want that’s open. Expropriating the homes of others, of course, is a no no.

I’ve seen both. Is it a contest?
I also hear what they say, both sides.

That includes the Palestinians, many of whom I am in commuinion with.

And saying the Jews have title to the Temple Mount is going to achieve any of the above how.

There’s lots to be angry about.

No problem.

so you feel all israelis who came after the Balfour Declaration should leave Israel? and “love they neighbor” includes everyone except Jews from what i gather? there is no contest between who shows cruelty to the other, i just want to point out that it is not one sided.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

so you feel all israelis who came after the Balfour Declaration should leave Israel? and “love they neighbor” includes everyone except Jews from what i gather?

I’m quite content if they all came to the US.
Loving you neighbor does not extent to looking the other way when he steals your other neighbors house and makes him homeless.

there is no contest between who shows cruelty to the other, i just want to point out that it is not one sided.

things were never so out of hand as since 1948. Never.

 

[anon52328184]

okay isa and who proposed the Balfour Declaration and put it together?

why do these people need to be homeless when israel is surrounded by so many muslim nations who could take them in? why don’t you point the finger at the nations who do not want to accept these people who were forced to leave the land that is modern day israel?

i was born in 1952, so this happened before i was born. i have not seen footage of what happened i just know that wars happened immediately after the state was created.

maybe there are more people to blame than israel.

i do not know if people protested the declaration before it was implemented and their cries of protest were ignored. i can imagine how painful it was for families who had lived on the land for many generations to have to leave.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

okay isa and who proposed the Balfour Declaration and put it together?

It was a conspiracy.
Lord Balfour believed the Jews had some world wide ring, and Lord Rothschild, Weizman and company were quite happy to let him think so, to get the committment.

Btw, the clause “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine” is often overlooked.

why do these people need to be homeless when israel is surrounded by so many muslim nations who could take them in?

I think I have already asked, where are the CHRISTIAN Palestinians supposed to go?

When Roosevelt tried to push your same point, King Ibn Saud asked why he didn’t give the Jews part of Germany, since THAT country’s government tried to exterminate them.

why don’t you point the finger at the nations who do not want to accept these people who were forced to leave the land that is modern day israel?

So if I take your house, your neighbor has to take you in, and I get to keep your house. If you kill my sister I get to kill your sister. Interesting jurisprudence.

In Lebanon, it was the equivalent of 30 MILLION people being dumped on the US practically overnight. The US, richest country in the world, is having trouble with that number over several decades.

That still doesn’t answer the question, why should they leave:“nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine” means that they have a right to stay.

And it still doesn’t explain why a Jew never having seen Palestine should have citizenship for the asking, whereas a Palestinian in Palestine for thousands of years is free to be expelled.

There are what, 16 million Jews in the world. Are they all going to fit in Palestine? Where do they go if they can’t. Begin’s “Greater Israel” gave the answer.

i was born in 1952, so this happened before i was born. i have not seen footage of what happened i just know that wars happened immediately after the state was created.

maybe there are more people to blame than israel.

i do not know if people protested the declaration before it was implemented and their cries of protest were ignored. i can imagine how painful it was for families who had lived on the land for many generations to have to leave.

The Zionist Congress were invited to Versailles, whereas, for instance, the delegation of Egypt, let alone Palestine, was denied a place at the table, and the delegation arrested on return to Egypt.