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EricFilmer
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You’re welcome Roy5, but I am beginning to wonder exactly how productive this discussion is. I say this because back in Post #32 you gave seven reasons for your misgivings concerning the Real Presence (actually you said you were referring to transubstantiation, but you are really addressing the Real Presence, as I pointed out in Post #36). In defense of the Real Presence, I and a number of other people have responded to your various points. Nine days later you gave your response to our (name removed by moderator)ut, but rather than address the specific things we brought up, you simply decided to reiterate what you had presented back in Post #32, as if nothing had been brought up on the Catholic end of things. To see first-hand what I am referring to, I invite you and anyone else reading this to compare what you said in Post #32 and what you said nine days later in Post #75.Thanks to all those involved in this civil discussion.
Once again, what you’re really addressing is the Real Presence, not transubstantiation. Orthodox Christians as well as some Protestant denominations believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist (i.e., his body, blood, soul and divinity) but reject the principle of transubstantiation.For the faithful who can believe in transubstantiation, fine.
I ask you to re-read my material from:I wish I didn’t have such serious doubts.
Post #36,
Post #37,
Post #38
& Post #39.
Exactly what in them failed to allay your doubts?
Exactly what are your statistics for this? I seriously doubt if millions of Catholics reject the doctrine of the Real Presence at all. In terms of non-Catholic doubters, why should that matter? There are non-Catholics who also reject the Incarnation, the Bible, Baptism and many other things as well. The responsibility of the Catholic Church is to preserve and teach what God reveals, not to throw out aspects of that revelation to make our beliefs seem more feasible in the eyes of non-Catholics.Now forgive this, but let me say what millions of Catholics and non-Catholics likely think.
I already addressed the problem with this argument in Post #37. What is your response to the specific points I made?The dogma that bread and wine become the body and blood of God can seem simply too pagan and primitive.
I already addressed the problem with using this as an argument against the Real Presence in Post #36. What is your response to the specific points I raised?God is everywhere, after all. “Lo, I am with you always.”
I already addressed the problem with this position back in Post #36. What is your response to the specific points I raised?Plus, the idea that God comes in a special way into a small piece of bread and a chalice of wine comes awfully close to resembling animism of sorts - worship of a tree or a rock or maybe the sun or moon, each as a special residence of the Lord.
(Continued in my next post)