Reason why there is more sexual sin in this society

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This is not true. It is true that women working unneccessarily has driven wages down for working fathers who need to support families.

Nevertheless there is often no need for a mother to work. Typically they do so for lifetsyle choices such as a bigger house, nicer car, fatter 401k. Catholics in the old days sacrificed luxuries for family.
Which “old days” do you mean? I love to discuss further the pattern of working mothers, at various jobs, over, say, the last 300 years.

And how many Catholic mothers in all the Catholic countries have worked outside the homes over the centuries. And how many worked as hard, if not harder, than their husbands in order to keep food on the table so their families did not starve.
 
This is not true. It is true that women working unneccessarily has driven wages down for working fathers who need to support families.

Nevertheless there is often no need for a mother to work. Typically they do so for lifetsyle choices such as a bigger house, nicer car, fatter 401k. Catholics in the old days sacrificed luxuries for family. Now it is the opposite. Families are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to have a mom at home, although they could. This is not helped by a lot of priests preaching to modern families what they want to hear.
Sorry but I find that hard to believe. Salaries didn’t go down, prices went up. Just compare real estate prices today to 20 years ago. Even after the market crash in the US, prices today are still up from where they were 20 years ago. Population and demand fuels the rise of real estate prices, not women working. And another factor is inflation.

Catholics in the old days didn’t sacrifice anything to the point that they were living in the slums. They were able to afford homes in the past because the homes were affordable. Sorry, everything you claimed here is just speculation and cannot be supported by any economic or business data.
 
Ed, for someone who likes to fantasize about the past you don’t seem to know that much about it.

World War II was not started by people who believed in nothing. It was started by people who believed that the world owed them something and that they were inherently superior to those around them (the Germans and Japanese).

As for you being ashamed of any hypothetical children, considering all the many things you disapprove of, it doesn’t seem like it would be that hard for any child to earn your disapproval.
I am an expert in World War II history and the immediate post-war period. I know why the war started and I grew up with people who were there. I reject the current sound bite culture.

Peace,
Ed
 
I think its a big reason. While there has been sexual temptation before, now it is on a higher level. There is not a person, including priests and the Pope, that could do something sexually, anything sexually, and surprise me. We are so conditioned to sexual sin that it is really not a big deal to most people.

For me, it is a great frustration. I have no marriage prospects havent had a date in only 5 years, never had a steady girlfriend before, and feel like I am 10-20 years away from being married if at all. I am 23. That would put me at 33-43. I hope I can make it through without falling. It is very hard. The temptation is there. I am always tempted to go for a secular girl just to have a sexual outlet.

The reason behind all this is that there are women in the workforce. Women have driven down wages due to excess supply of workers. Women are not becoming SAHMs and housewives anymore. Women dont need marriage anymore. If women were not in the workforce and culturally needed to be housewives, marriage age would be younger. Now, women become moms when they feel their clock ticking or they get tired of work and want an easier job.
An easier job?!

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Sorry but I find that hard to believe. Salaries didn’t go down, prices went up. Just compare real estate prices today to 20 years ago. Even after the market crash in the US, prices today are still up from where they were 20 years ago. Population and demand fuels the rise of real estate prices, not women working. And another factor is inflation.

Catholics in the old days didn’t sacrifice anything to the point that they were living in the slums. They were able to afford homes in the past because the homes were affordable. Sorry, everything you claimed here is just speculation and cannot be supported by any economic or business data.
Well stevevusmagnus does have a point to a certain extent though. There are families where the mother does have to work out of necessity in this economy, but there also exists the mother that does not have to work but chooses to because they want a certain lifestyle. We use to live in a much more affluent parish where the Catholic families would never dream of living the lifestyle such as my husband and I do, we would be considered poor by their standards. If we’re going to make generalizations, there is a need to admit that there are mothers/wives that work to afford a much more lavish lifestyle than they really need to have.
 
Which “old days” do you mean? I love to discuss further the pattern of working mothers, at various jobs, over, say, the last 300 years.

And how many Catholic mothers in all the Catholic countries have worked outside the homes over the centuries. And how many worked as hard, if not harder, than their husbands in order to keep food on the table so their families did not starve.
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Sorry but I find that hard to believe. Salaries didn’t go down, prices went up. Just compare real estate prices today to 20 years ago. Even after the market crash in the US, prices today are still up from where they were 20 years ago. Population and demand fuels the rise of real estate prices, not women working. And another factor is inflation.

Catholics in the old days didn’t sacrifice anything to the point that they were living in the slums. They were able to afford homes in the past because the homes were affordable. Sorry, everything you claimed here is just speculation and cannot be supported by any economic or business data.
I was born in the mid 1950s. My mother worked and paid cash for our home. At times, the only money she had left over each week was a nickle. My father worked five and a half days a week. He took a bus when that was still possible. We SAVED money so we didn’t have to pay useless interest to anyone. We kept everything clean and did not abuse it. We did not have to upgrade our appliances every few years to impress anyone.

The average number of children in my neighborhood was TWO - not five. There was NO birth control pill. All of the moms stayed home and raised THEIR OWN kids. By the time the father came home, he could spend some time with his family. Stores were closed on Sundays. It was a day of rest. No work.

In order to send us to Catholic school, my parents did without. They did not own any luxury items. My mother took the occasional odd job with neighbors doing gardening or light carpentry to make ends. My close friend had it worse. They could afford less and if there were two boys in a family, clothes were handed down to the youngest as they got older. Long trips were rare and always by car. Once a week, they might get a pie or a special treat. Everything was valued. Kites were made with newspaper, not bought at the store. If I wanted extra money, I would cut grass or shovel snow. I didn’t expect my parents to just hand it to me.

Peace,
Ed
 
I am an expert in World War II history and the immediate post-war period. I know why the war started and I grew up with people who were there. I reject the current sound bite culture.

Peace,
Ed
So you are saying that I’m the expert, so I don’t have to provide reasons, evidence, or sources for what I say. You should just accept it because I’m the expert.
 
So you are saying that I’m the expert, so I don’t have to provide reasons, evidence, or sources for what I say. You should just accept it because I’m the expert.
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Logical fallacy called the “Appeal to authority”. One of the more dangerous logical fallacies because it sounds so convincing.
 
Reading the OP, I think that is part of the problem, but it’s not just the sexual side. Look at all the bored teenagers who could be doing real work, starting a family, etc. - instead we tell them to stay irresponsible for a decade beyond the years when they could have been productive members of society!

I have one of those kids. He belongs in 1840 or something, he’d already be working and would probably be married in a short time, having kids and working hard to keep food on the table. It would suit him. Being a teenager (something that has been wholly created over the last 60 years or so) does not do him any good at all. Having responsibility for more than just his own life would be very good for him.

Yes, our bodies mature sexually possibly an entire decade before many people are given the green light to marry. Recipe for disaster, IMO.
 
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Logical fallacy called the “Appeal to authority”. One of the more dangerous logical fallacies because it sounds so convincing.
I have never found any of Ed’s arguments that convincing. He condemns change itself and longs for the ‘Good Old Days’ too much.
 
So you are saying that I’m the expert, so I don’t have to provide reasons, evidence, or sources for what I say. You should just accept it because I’m the expert.
I’ve heard enough through the years to know Ed isn’t making it up. Blue collar America was exactly as he describes it after the second WW.
 
I was born in the mid 1950s. My mother worked and paid cash for our home. At times, the only money she had left over each week was a nickle. My father worked five and a half days a week. He took a bus when that was still possible. We SAVED money so we didn’t have to pay useless interest to anyone. We kept everything clean and did not abuse it. We did not have to upgrade our appliances every few years to impress anyone.

The average number of children in my neighborhood was TWO - not five. There was NO birth control pill. All of the moms stayed home and raised THEIR OWN kids. By the time the father came home, he could spend some time with his family. Stores were closed on Sundays. It was a day of rest. No work.

In order to send us to Catholic school, my parents did without. They did not own any luxury items. My mother took the occasional odd job with neighbors doing gardening or light carpentry to make ends. My close friend had it worse. They could afford less and if there were two boys in a family, clothes were handed down to the youngest as they got older. Long trips were rare and always by car. Once a week, they might get a pie or a special treat. Everything was valued. Kites were made with newspaper, not bought at the store. If I wanted extra money, I would cut grass or shovel snow. I didn’t expect my parents to just hand it to me.

Peace,
Ed
Your first two sentences already define the problem today. There is no way anyone (newlyweds aged 20-35) can pay for a home in cash unless:
a. they come from a wealthy family
b. won the lottery
c. saved and waiting 'til they are 50 or older before they got married
d. one of the less than 1% of people in the world who are lucky enough to get an extremely high paying job in the first 5 years of their professional life, like a professional athlete

My wife and I lived modestly for two years to save to buy a new home. We both come from a third world country before moving to Canada and thus we didn’t save enough money in the first 10+ years of our professional life. Case in point, I was a team lead with 7 people under me, and I still only made $550 a month.

The money we saved in two years, we still couldn’t buy a decent home even if we did the same rate of saving for the next 10 years. We just targetted enough to pay for the downpayment.

Granted that I have some luxury items at home, even if I were to sell them off at their price that I bought them for and put that money into our home, it would hardly make a dent on my mortgage payments.
 
So you are saying that I’m the expert, so I don’t have to provide reasons, evidence, or sources for what I say. You should just accept it because I’m the expert.
I only see Ed’s posts when someone else quotes them, so I saw the one you quoted. Ed may reject sound bite culture, but he sure engages in short exchanges on the internet! How old school is THAT? Maybe he uses a telegraph button!
 
Your first two sentences already define the problem today. There is no way anyone can pay for a home in cash unless:
a. they come from a wealthy family
b. won the lottery
c. saved and waiting 'til they are 50 or older before they got married
d. one of the less than 1% of people in the world who are lucky enough to get an extremely high paying job in the first 5 years of their professional life, like a professional athlete

My wife and I lived modestly for two years to save to buy a new home. We both come from a third world country before moving to Canada and thus we didn’t save enough money in the first 10+ years of our professional life. Case in point, I was a team lead with 7 people under me, and I still only made $550 a month.

The money we saved in two years, we still couldn’t buy a decent home even if we did the same rate of saving for the next 10 years. We just targetted enough to pay for the downpayment.

Granted that I have some luxury items at home, even if I were to sell them off at their price that I bought them for and put that money into our home, it would hardly make a dent on my mortgage payments.
The baby-boom generation was an aberration in social history. I was born the same time and can testify to its many warped features. But I know better than to generalize from the limited perspective of my own experiences. Suffice it to say that that period in American culture does not represent the cultural reality of the rest of the world nor of the rest of Catholics of the world, and nor, especially, the cultural reality of what women have done for work over the history of the various cultures of the planet.
 
I only see Ed’s posts when someone else quotes them, so I saw the one you quoted. Ed may reject sound bite culture, but he sure engages in short exchanges on the internet! How old school is THAT? Maybe he uses a telegraph button!
What delight do you folks seek in gang banging Catholics ?
 
So you are saying that I’m the expert, so I don’t have to provide reasons, evidence, or sources for what I say. You should just accept it because I’m the expert.
It seems to suit you to only believe bits and pieces of what I write. That’s fine. I don’t present my authority as an argument in itself but it should be self-evident: I lived through most of the time period in question. I watched the long and difficult conflict between the perverts and those who opposed them. While we protested, they only had to get a few lawyers and judges to agree with them to open stores selling filth and strip clubs and topless bars. I was there. I watched it happen. It was 100% wrong.

Peace,
Ed
 
Your first two sentences already define the problem today. There is no way anyone (newlyweds aged 20-35) can pay for a home in cash unless:
a. they come from a wealthy family
b. won the lottery
c. saved and waiting 'til they are 50 or older before they got married
d. one of the less than 1% of people in the world who are lucky enough to get an extremely high paying job in the first 5 years of their professional life, like a professional athlete

My wife and I lived modestly for two years to save to buy a new home. We both come from a third world country before moving to Canada and thus we didn’t save enough money in the first 10+ years of our professional life. Case in point, I was a team lead with 7 people under me, and I still only made $550 a month.

The money we saved in two years, we still couldn’t buy a decent home even if we did the same rate of saving for the next 10 years. We just targetted enough to pay for the downpayment.

Granted that I have some luxury items at home, even if I were to sell them off at their price that I bought them for and put that money into our home, it would hardly make a dent on my mortgage payments.
My mother had a sixth grade education. She came here from a foreign country. She had no high school diploma. The same with my dad except he had a seventh grade education.

I have told people today, the following: don’t waste big money on the honeymoon. If you can’t afford a home, get an apartment. The lovely wife of a close friend told me the following “Please tell him to stop buying me this stuff. We can’t afford it.” Poor guy. He wanted his wife to have nice (expensive) things. Thank God she helped him out of that notion so they could start a family.

A friend of mine did go to Serbia to find a bride. The first thing she did when she got here was buy six pairs of jeans.

Peace,
Ed
 
Do you mean that as a sexually vulgar remark? I’d like to know what kind of poster I am responding to.
No, not sexual. I think you know what I meant.

But, in case you don’t, I mean the “piling on”. The clique-like one liner ad-hominem slurs which are so much easier than disagreeing with someone and explaining why. “Atta boy” back pats that are out of line and in violation of forum rules. Which, as they pertain to what I’m speaking of, are no secret.

Honestly, I’ve been guilty of it too in the past, but for some here it seems second nature. Every thread has an easy target. So easy to play Rambo from the comfort and safety of the man cave.

That’s what I meant. :cool:
 
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