Rebuttals for same sex marriage PLEASE!

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Right… and this is not just coincidence… I loved the series Bones… but I suffered through it as the only “Catholic” was represented by a guy who would have multiple relations with whoever may come (ditto the Blue Blood’s Catholics, clergy included); the only time Catholicism/Christianity is depicted is with the hollowood’s spiritualism (‘to err is human so sin to your heart’s content’ or some other similar principle). So heterosexuals who engage in fornication and all sorts of immoral acts are presented as the “true” depiction of Believers. This, of course, makes it clear that ‘homosexuals’ are the real deal not only to accept and respect, but also to emulate (including satisfying the ‘curiosity’ of same sex experiences).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
This issue is multifaceted since there’s no way to present the heterosexual identity by a homosexual coupling… its like trying to solder two ends of a pipe connection female to female or male to male and expecting it to take hold as the correct joining of joints…

Then there’s the religious aspect of it.

I offer the homosexual agenda not as a experiment in rescuing children from poverty and orphanages (as their efforts fizzled down as soon as the Church was forced to close her adoption agencies), but as an experiment in controlling and forcing, through political pressure, the Church’s hands in accepting, nay, blessing the homosexual lifestyle.

…and while some would argue that it is no different than placing children in mix race marriages or alternative race homes (black kids in white/latino…; white kids in black/latino…), it clearly is not–children in such homes would be exposed to heterosexual situations as the norm.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
But it is not about social pluralism alone.

If we follow this rule then everything is permissible.

Just look at what Obama did before his presidency–he established a mandate that babies who survived the abortion process could not be allowed to be rescued by prolifers since they were determined to be aborted by the “mom”/“parents” and it would “violate” their “choices.” An officer of the law was placed in/near the disposal “care” unit to allow the baby to die, cold, alone, hungry, in grief, pain, and fear.

What brave hearts these people have!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Prodigal_Son said:
However, I 100% support the right of any organization to refuse to process such adoptions, and I would probably refuse myself to be process one.
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Yet, that was not the intent of the homosexual agenda nor the response of the government and agencies such as the “aclu.” as they fought to force the Church to allow homosexuals to adopt children from the Church’s agencies or close those agencies down (ditto with Christian businesses that do not want to cater to them–instead of seeking services from their own members or homosexual-friendly vendors, they want to force Christians to capitulate and 'bless their lifestyles).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
niceatheist said:
But the idea that some shrinking minority of people should somehow retain the right to impose their view of what constitutes a civil marriage on everyone else, well, that’s too far for me.
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But it is not about retaining the right to impose 'what constitutes a civil marriage.

It is about capitulating to the homosexual agenda.

Consider the effort to drop “spouse” and “husband”/“wife” from the vernacular. Why are companies going to such extreme efforts if not to force homosexuality on the whole planetary community?

Do you not believe that a civil union between heterosexuals should be rejected by the Church as not a Valid Sacramental Matrimony?

Well, the Church rejects it and heterosexuals unions that are not Sacramental unions accept, though some begrudgingly, the Churches Decree–homosexuals refuse to accept that the Church must reject their union as non-Sacramental.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Here’s an ounce of reality:

Religion is not democratic!

God has never Taught: do as you will and follow Me, 'cause I accept you just as you want to be accepted.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
niceatheist said:
I’ve already made it clear I dont’ agree with forcing cake bakers to put messages on cakes for gay weddings, and honestly, I doubt most gays want to give their business to someone that hates them.
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It is not about providing business for Christians… it is about forcing Christians to accept their “choice” of “lifestyle.”

Imagine me going to an Irish pub and demanding that they offer Caribbean Rum, cause ‘I feel homesick;’ then pursuing this issue through the law and the pseudo ‘human rights activists’ 'cause they are infringing upon my right as a Caribbean to drink my king of alcoholic beverage… I would be laughed out of existence, wouldn’t I… but if I were homosexual and I was refused a catering service because they were all “Irish Catholics” and felt that their freedom of religion was threatened by having to violate their conscience, the government and these faux human right agencies would drop an anvil the size of a small moon on them to force them to cater my homosexual event or close shop!

That’s the issue at hand… not “civil” right to be homosexuals.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Exactly…

…that guy had it wrong only because he did not have the foresight that it was: “Big homosexual brother/sister is watching.”

Maran atha!

Angel
 
niceatheist said:
But, by the same token, your right to swing your first (or your Bible) ends at my real (or metaphorical) nose. If I wish to marry someone of my own gender (which I don’t, I’m a married heterosexual), then that should be of no interest to you whatsoever.
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…and it isn’t until you show up at the local parish/Christian-own business/Catholic agency and demand that your “choice” to be homosexual in a “loving” homosexual union must be not only accepted but celebrated and blessed by the Church and all Christians.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
…no; that’s antiquated, much too much religious, and forces the “person” to be responsible for a moral value that none want to accept.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
…wait, there are people more vulnerable than children in their mothers’ wombs?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
…no; just out of thin science–'duh, we know not what goes on… it could be a chair she’s growing in her womb, you know…

Maran atha!

Angel
 
…this was the introduction of fluid morality and truth (‘they are subjective’); once this is accepted we can throw out commonsense and reality: ‘anything goes!’

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Anything that those not support the homosexual agenda is deemed as “hate.”

Coincidentally, no religious views are to be taught in public schools and Catholics and other Christians are not made aware of school curriculums that does reinforce the homosexual agenda with the sex education (homosexuality is good) and the intro to elementary level children that Gigi has two fathers or two mothers…

Yet, that is not hate nor indoctrination… yeah, right!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Yet, Christians children must suffer the indoctrination of the culture of death, how is that just and fair?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
buffalo said:
Just in

The study, Association of Hormonal Contraception With Suicide Attempts and Suicides, was conducted by Danish researchers.

“The patch,” a thin bandage-like piece of plastic that delivers hormones to users, was the method of birth control linked to the highest increase in suicide or suicide attempts. Intrauterine devices (IUDs), the vaginal ring, and then the birth control pill followed.

“Adolescent women are more sensitive than older women to the influence of hormonal contraceptive on risk of a first suicide attempt,” the study says.

Hormonal contraception is “likely to enhance the influence of any additional factor that might cause mood disturbances,” the authors wrote. Contraception can triple risk of suicide, new study finds | News | LifeSite
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I’m going to repeat this, because you don’t seem to understand. Contraception is not going anywhere. So yes, the pill has its side-effects and risks, but the only way it goes away is because a better form of contraception comes along. Catholics may be bound by Catholic teaching, but the Catholic Church has absolutely no authority over the State.
 
niceatheist said:
But, if they’re going to do it, then they should at least no the risks and the means to mitigate it.
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That’s the fallacy.

The culture bombards people with multiple sexual encounter as well as multiple sexual engagements (homo/hetero/animal); then it proposes that there are ways to mitigate the damage… remember the aids epidemic and the sex clubs?.. then someone came up with the “drugs that can halt the aids” and the clubbing and “encounters” resumed… (not to mention the individuals who knowingly engaged others spreading the aids and other stds), ‘because there are cures or will force “them” to produce cures.’

Maran atha!

Angel
 
jcrichton said:
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niceatheist:
But, if they’re going to do it, then they should at least no the risks and the means to mitigate it.
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That’s the fallacy.

The culture bombards people with multiple sexual encounter as well as multiple sexual engagements (homo/hetero/animal); then it proposes that there are ways to mitigate the damage… remember the aids epidemic and the sex clubs?.. then someone came up with the “drugs that can halt the aids” and the clubbing and “encounters” resumed… (not to mention the individuals who knowingly engaged others spreading the aids and other stds), ‘because there are cures or will force “them” to produce cures.’

Maran atha!

Angel
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Keeping people ignorant is not a solution. If you want your children to be ignorant of the risks of sexual activity, that’s your business, and in most jurisdictions you are permitted to withdraw them from sex education. But my kids went, with my permission.

I live in a secular country, not in a theocracy.
 
…because they must be accepted as “Sacramental” unions where all Christians would celebrate their coming together to form one body, in Christ…

That’s the problem. It is not enough to claim that they are right or that they are legit–they want religious rights to be what they “choose” to be… problem is, God does not engage in giving man the right to go against Him!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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