Red mozzetta? Coat of Arms?

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BillyT926 said:
I don’t think he’s insulting anyone on either side. I think he has a point. These are interesting asides, signs that have importance, but perhaps the focus needs to be somewhere else.

Look, I like smells and bells, and fiddlebacks, and all that. But I think this is a period of loosening. I think Francis is going all in on reuniting with the Orthodox (which, admittedly going small ball on liturgy is rather counterintuitive on that, but whatever) and is trying to reshape the Primacy to make it less monarchical and more collegial, while still retaining dogmatic supremacy.
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This thread’s existence hardly implies that papal choir dress is anybody’s focus. It’s a sidebar.

We can’t presume to know at all what the Pope’s intentions or master plans are at this point. He has been in office for four days.
 
aemcpa said:
This thread’s existence hardly implies that papal choir dress is anybody’s focus. It’s a sidebar.

We can’t presume to know at all what the Pope’s intentions or master plans are at this point. He has been in office for four days.
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I agree.

I think one thing that is interesting is how much of political animals we all are, even with our faith. When a traditional pope reigns, progressives decry “ultramontanism.” The converse is true when a more moderate pope reigns.

We’re all called to be loyal sons and daughters of the Church. Obedience is the first requirement. Disobedience is the first sin, both with Lucifer in Heaven and Adam and Eve in the Garden. All sins flow from it. It’s the hallmark of pride. All the other cardinal sins, as wretched as they are, can be willed away. Pride is the HARDEST to overcome. I struggle more with it than anything else, more than gluttony and lust and sloth.
 
BillyT926 said:
I don’t think he’s insulting anyone on either side. I think he has a point. These are interesting asides, signs that have importance, but perhaps the focus needs to be somewhere else.

Look, I like smells and bells, and fiddlebacks, and all that. But I think this is a period of loosening. I think Francis is going all in on reuniting with the Orthodox (which, admittedly going small ball on liturgy is rather counterintuitive on that, but whatever) and is trying to reshape the Primacy to make it less monarchical and more collegial, while still retaining dogmatic supremacy.
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Insulting is not my intention; I am just quite surprised that - in light of the issues that Pope Francis will have to address - the question of whether he wears a mozzetta or not is something that is considered important.

(And I’m a “she”.)
 
dixieagle said:
Insulting is not my intention; I am just quite surprised that - in light of the issues that Pope Francis will have to address - the question of whether he wears a mozzetta or not is something that is considered important.

(And I’m a “she”.)
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  • *I apologize!
 
dixieagle said:
Insulting is not my intention; I am just quite surprised that - in light of the issues that Pope Francis will have to address - the question of whether he wears a mozzetta or not is something that is considered important.

(And I’m a “she”.)
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100% 👍
 
dixieagle said:
Insulting is not my intention; I am just quite surprised that - in light of the issues that Pope Francis will have to address - the question of whether he wears a mozzetta or not is something that is considered important.

(And I’m a “she”.)
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Interesting and important are two different things. Very few things are important. But it is interesting to try to interpret what small actions mean in the context of the larger picture that has yet to be painted.
 
aemcpa said:
Interesting and important are two different things. Very few things are important. But it is interesting to try to interpret what small actions mean in the context of the larger picture that has yet to be painted.
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In which case I ask my original question:
Myself:
Why are we speculating on the motivations of someone that we have never met?
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Furthermore, I have not really read any interpretation of what this act could mean for the “larger picture” in any systematic way, so this all just seems very petty.
 
Baelor said:
In which case I ask my original question:

Furthermore, I have not really read any interpretation of what this act could mean for the “larger picture” in any systematic way, so this all just seems very petty.
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Petty, as I see it, is to go out of your way to intrude on a conversation to tell the people who are having it that it’s not worth having. Unless you’re a moderator, that isn’t your business.
 
aemcpa said:
Petty, as I see it, is to go out of your way to intrude on a conversation to tell the people who are having it that it’s not worth having. Unless you’re a moderator, that isn’t your business.
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It has been my understanding that any CAF member has the right to comment on any thread.

I had a particular observation about the relative importance of the new Pope’s chosen attire in light of the turmoil he is facing in the Church, and I believe the point was valid. You are, of course, free to disagree.
 
I just found this. Who knows if it’s accurate (since it ultimately comes from an Italian blog)?

Mosetta back again

We’ll see tomorrow.

(P.S.: I’m copying/pasting this in the relevant threads, so expect duplicates)
 
dixieagle said:
It has been my understanding that any CAF member has the right to comment on any thread.

I had a particular observation about the relative importance of the new Pope’s chosen attire in light of the turmoil he is facing in the Church, and I believe the point was valid. You are, of course, free to disagree.
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I didn’t say that you don’t have the right to comment. I am asserting that your observation was not about the relative importance of the new Pope’s chosen attire, but was in fact a thinly veiled condemnation of the people you believe (without evidence) to be placing an exaggerated importance on said attire.
 
The_Scott said:
(P.S.: I’m copying/pasting this in the relevant threads, so expect duplicates)
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If you were a better Catholic, you would know that none of the threads concerned with such things are relevant.

/sarcasm
 
aemcpa said:
If you were a better Catholic, you would know that none of the threads concerned with such things are relevant.

/sarcasm
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You made my heart skip a beat before I read that last part. 🙂

But in the end, I decided three threads were actually relevant (here, and two in the Catholic News subforum).
 
aemcpa said:
Petty, as I see it, is to go out of your way to intrude on a conversation to tell the people who are having it that it’s not worth having. Unless you’re a moderator, that isn’t your business.
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I am certainly entitled to post on this thread. The fact that I am not a moderator is irrelevant to whether this thread should exist.

I note with some delight that you have still not actually answered my question, which was asked two times:
Myself:
Why are we speculating on the motivations of someone that we have never met?
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And still unanswered is the legitimate rebuttal of your claim of relevance in some larger picture:
Myself:
Furthermore, I have not really read any interpretation of what this act could mean for the “larger picture” in any systematic way
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I will assume charitably that these things were simply lost on the fray. Instead of being catty to me, you may consider addressing them in the future.
 
BillyT926 said:
I agree.

I think one thing that is interesting is how much of political animals we all are, even with our faith. When a traditional pope reigns, progressives decry “ultramontanism.” The converse is true when a more moderate pope reigns.

We’re all called to be loyal sons and daughters of the Church. Obedience is the first requirement. Disobedience is the first sin, both with Lucifer in Heaven and Adam and Eve in the Garden. All sins flow from it. It’s the hallmark of pride. All the other cardinal sins, as wretched as they are, can be willed away. Pride is the HARDEST to overcome. I struggle more with it than anything else, more than gluttony and lust and sloth.
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AMEN

Pride is the hardest, and humbly examining our conscience for it doesnt come easy.
We want to be right. We want to think that our line of thinking is the best.

Truly crucifying our egos, our pride, and putting it to death, isnt somthing we strive for.

We want to believe our opinons really matter, our preference are really important.

In God’s eyes, however, not so much, really.
 
dixieagle said:
I cannot believe that - with all the issues facing the Church today - the subject of whether the new Pope was appropriately dressed has gone on for 4 pages already.
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I don’t come on these Forums to solve the Church’s problems and issues, I come here to discuss things.

This reminds me of when people were saying, “Why is the Church wasting so much time, money and people on the new translation of the Roman Missal?” As if the Church spent $100 million and dedicated 5,000 priests to translating it.

The reality is that it is at least counterintuitive to complain about these things, because no one really spends all day talking about these things to begin with. So while this thread may be like 5 pages long, I’ve probably spent a whole 8 minutes of my life on this thread.

People will talk about what people will talk about.
 
YoungTradCath said:
So while this thread may be like 5 pages long, I’ve probably spent a whole 8 minutes of my life on this thread.
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I actually spent more time on this thread responding to people complaining about this thread than I have contributing to the thread.
 
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