Reduction of violence connected to the production and distribution of drugs

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So NYC doesn’t have an issue with black market alcohol, tobacco, or textiles?
What was the last time that black market textile dealers had a regular firefight in NYC? What was the last time they purchased custom-made submarines to smuggle their wares?
Edit- Mark ups- Look into the legal drug industry for similar insane markups.
And even more insane R&D costs. One successful drug pays for a thousand of failed ones.
 
Well, well, well… I guess that’s pretty much like a train wreck in regards to the argument of many on this thread. So much for legalizing and regulating drugs.
Not so fast. Here is a table:

drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/1219#sthash.DXrLQEdU.dpbs

Indeed, drug use in Portugal rose. However:

(1) Most increase was in people who reported use at least once in lifetime, or at least once in the last year – but increase in habitual users (more than once per month) is very small. Heroin use rose sharply in relative numbers (0.1%->0.3%), but the question is how precise this data is at such low prevalence.

(2) Alcohol and tobacco use ALSO increased. If we treat alcohol and tobacco users as a “control” group, then we must conclude that Portugese’s appetite for mind-altering substances must have increased because of other factors than drug decriminalziation.
 
The Time article you used sourced it’s information from the Libertarian group CATO… But — "However, Cato is not known to be a professional medical or scientific group, whose agenda is the health and welfare of their clients.
renewamerica.com/columns/hank/110705

…IOW, it is Catos agenda to promote drug legalization.
While not a fan of the CATO Institute. I feel I should point out that they sited Medical Data. So, you have to admit that the Portuguese saw a reduction. It’s also interesting to observe the time frame, and turnaround time of the study Aybssinia posted. Not much time for evaluation of the evidence. 2007 was a hard time for Portugal, as well as the rest of Europe. They have us to thank for that by the way. During economic turmoil, both attendance at religious services, and use of recreational drugs increase. Some seek hope, other give up on it. 🤷

ATB
 
Bla, bla, bla… The Cato Institute is just another Think Tank just like the Brookings Institute and all the other policy making think tanks that run the world. If anyone here has ever read any of my posts, you’d know how I feel about “think tanks”.:rolleyes:

…think tanks make and create all policy in the US, and Think Tanks are why gridlock exists here too. Think Tanks are what makes people argue about dumb issues like gay marriage, and they’re what allowed the Gov. To be able to enter the Middle East on false issues.

Think Tanks are modern day Freemasonry, and Think Tanks will ensure that our modern day two party system will remain just that - And Cato plays a role in that too by creating ‘far-too-wild’ policies for their “third party”
 
What was the last time that black market textile dealers had a regular firefight in NYC? What was the last time they purchased custom-made submarines to smuggle their wares?
Yeah, you got me. Black market textile dealers don’t have regular gunfights in our streets. They regularly- pay little to no wages, ignore safety and labor laws, forcibly control their employees (chain to work station, lock up at night, hold passports, beat, etc), and engage in other abusive behavior, but no, they don’t regularly engage in firefights.

As for custom made subs, that might matter if custom made subs were the primary route by which illegal drugs enter our country.

And even more insane R&D costs. One successful drug pays for a thousand of failed ones.
So the introduction of currently illegal drugs as legal drugs won’t involve any sort of R&D costs at all? None? The FDA is just going to tell the drug companies that they’re good to go? Really?

Also, you might want to look into the markup on Prozac (I take it, so I looked into it). It makes the current markup on illegal drugs look like a bargain.
 
Bla, bla, bla… The Cato Institute is just another Think Tank just like the Brookings Institute and all the other policy making think tanks that run the world. If anyone here has ever read any of my posts, you’d know how I feel about “think tanks”.:rolleyes:

…think tanks make and create all policy in the US, and Think Tanks are why gridlock exists here too. Think Tanks are what makes people argue about dumb issues like gay marriage, and they’re what allowed the Gov. To be able to enter the Middle East on false issues.

Think Tanks are modern day Freemasonry, and Think Tanks will ensure that our modern day two party system will remain just that - And Cato plays a role in that too by creating ‘far-too-wild’ policies for their “third party”
That’s your opinion.
 
Bla, bla, bla… The Cato Institute is just another Think Tank just like the Brookings Institute and all the other policy making think tanks that run the world. If anyone here has ever read any of my posts, you’d know how I feel about “think tanks”.:rolleyes:

…think tanks make and create all policy in the US, and Think Tanks are why gridlock exists here too. Think Tanks are what makes people argue about dumb issues like gay marriage, and they’re what allowed the Gov. To be able to enter the Middle East on false issues.

Think Tanks are modern day Freemasonry, and Think Tanks will ensure that our modern day two party system will remain just that - And Cato plays a role in that too by creating ‘far-too-wild’ policies for their “third party”
Modern day Freemasonry in what way? That they are fraternal organizations whose primary function is charity work, or that they have all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories attached to them?
 
Modern day Freemasonry in what way? That they are fraternal organizations whose primary function is charity work, or that they have all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories attached to them?
Oh those Masons have always had their hands in all politics since the French Revolition. They’re the ones that created all this “enlightenment” baloney, as well as these secular fraternities and what not… These think tanks are just modern-day extensions of old Masonic ideology.

Think tanks are just incubators for ‘new’ enlightenments with ideologies ranging from embryo status to adulthood. They’re created by various rich people with various ideas and try to link their ideologies to large corporations and specific industries to try to gain support and interdependent funding. Depending on how large their alliances become is what bases their power and influence on public policy.

It’s basically the equivalent of 1st world thuggery. ‘I have the most power so my ideas will win’. It’s the real capitalism.
 
Oh those Masons have always had their hands in all politics since the French Revolition. They’re the ones that created all this “enlightenment” baloney, as well as these secular fraternities and what not… These think tanks are just modern-day extensions of old Masonic ideology.

Think tanks are just incubators for ‘new’ enlightenments with ideologies ranging from embryo status to adulthood. They’re created by various rich people with various ideas and try to link their ideologies to large corporations and specific industries to try to gain support and interdependent funding. Depending on how large their alliances become is what bases their power and influence on public policy.

It’s basically the equivalent of 1st world thuggery. ‘I have the most power so my ideas will win’. It’s the real capitalism.
I’m sure you meant to say American Revolution. Not only were the French Masons less politically active in general, they were less active as leaders and actually suffered more from the revolution than their American cousins (who made up 33% of the people who signed the Constitution and of course there’s Washington).

What conspiracy site are you using for your information?
 
Oh those Masons have always had their hands in all politics since the French Revolition. They’re the ones that created all this “enlightenment” baloney, as well as these secular fraternities and what not… These think tanks are just modern-day extensions of old Masonic ideology.

Think tanks are just incubators for ‘new’ enlightenments with ideologies ranging from embryo status to adulthood. They’re created by various rich people with various ideas and try to link their ideologies to large corporations and specific industries to try to gain support and interdependent funding. Depending on how large their alliances become is what bases their power and influence on public policy.

It’s basically the equivalent of 1st world thuggery. ‘I have the most power so my ideas will win’. It’s the real capitalism.
I love a good conspiracy theory.
 
Nice try there fellas. ;). But in reality, all one needs to do is research the founders of these Think Tank “Institutes” and also see where their donations come from… Many of the largest ones get huge donations from Middle Eastern oil rich nations, while the more ‘progressive’ ones from alternative energy and environmental big shots.

It’s all just a power struggle and capital is the main objective. There are some books on these issues, and minimal research is all it takes to be able to grasp the concept. There is no “conspiracy” here.

…but honestly, the democratic and republican party’s are run by the some of the same Think Tanks. It’s two sides of the same coin. There will never be a ‘third’ option, because there already exists a dominant elite who possess the most power. The New York based UN is also run by some of the same Think Tanks.
 
The whole point here folks, is that public policy becomes based on Capital and not on what’s ‘best’. We’re being fed ideals based on power and profits rather than truth… There is “truth” isn’t there?
 
I believe the Popes have called for some kind of “political Authority” to oversee these so called “Institutions”.
 
Nice try there fellas. ;). But in reality, all one needs to do is research the founders of these Think Tank “Institutes” and also see where their donations come from… Many of the largest ones get huge donations from Middle Eastern oil rich nations, while the more ‘progressive’ ones from alternative energy and environmental big shots.

It’s all just a power struggle and capital is the main objective. There are some books on these issues, and minimal research is all it takes to be able to grasp the concept. There is no “conspiracy” here.

…but honestly, the democratic and republican party’s are run by the some of the same Think Tanks. It’s two sides of the same coin. There will never be a ‘third’ option, because there already exists a dominant elite who possess the most power. The New York based UN is also run by some of the same Think Tanks.
Yeah, so what’s this conspiracy site you are using as a source?
 
The whole point here folks, is that public policy becomes based on Capital and not on what’s ‘best’. We’re being fed ideals based on power and profits rather than truth… There is “truth” isn’t there?
Yes, there is “truth,” but it’s being pushed by one of the oldest and largest “think tanks” (also known as the Catholic Church) out there so by your logic we can’t trust this “truth.” Yeah, the Church fits the definition of “think tank.”
 
Yeah, so what’s this conspiracy site you are using as a source?
There is no conspiracy site for this because it’s not a conspiracy. It’s all fact. Surely you don’t deny that all public policy comes from Think Tanks such as the Brookings Institute, the Heritage Foundation, etc., do you?

Also you don’t deny that there are business and other interdependent monetary relationships between these Institutes and other organizations do you?

If not, then where is the conspiracy? :confused:

…the role of politicians is merely to sign into law the decisions that Think Tanks make.
 
Yes, there is “truth,” but it’s being pushed by one of the oldest and largest “think tanks” (also known as the Catholic Church) out there so by your logic we can’t trust this “truth.” Yeah, the Church fits the definition of “think tank.”
The Catholic Church does not negotiate with organizations by basing her teachings on what will produce the highest profits or most powerful relationships… The Church bases her doctrine on Divine or Public Revelation. From God only.
 
The Catholic Church does not negotiate with organizations by basing her teachings on what will produce the highest profits or most powerful relationships… The Church bases her doctrine on Divine or Public Revelation. From God only.
You might actually want to learn what the actual definition of “think tank” is. It doesn’t mean what you think it means.
 
You might actually want to learn what the actual definition of “think tank” is. It doesn’t mean what you think it means.
The closest the CC comes to anything similar to what Think Tanks do is arrange for Counsels, where Canon Law is modified. But the Church can only do these things based on the keys she possesses, to bind and loosen as she sees fit. But that’s only in regard to Catholic tradition or “Canon Law”.
 
The closest the CC comes to anything similar to what Think Tanks do is arrange for Counsels, where Canon Law is modified. But the Church can only do these things based on the keys she possesses, to bind and loosen as she sees fit. But that’s only in regard to Catholic tradition or “Canon Law”.
From Webster-

Think Tank- an organization that consists of a group of people who think of new ideas on a particular subject or who give advice about what should be done.

The Church an organization? Yep
Made up of people? Yep
That specialize in a particular subject? Yep
Which includes developing new ideas and/or concepts (see development of theology and the social application of)? Yep
And give advice on that subject? Yep
And what needs to be done in addressing that subject or issues connected to it? Yep

Perhaps you should figure out what term you actually want to use (given the trend of your posts, the term you’re looking for is lobby or advocacy group; but that really doesn’t work for your overall argument since the Church and/or institutions supported by her fit that definition as well).
 
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