Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

[meltzerboy]

The response here will be directly proportionate to peoples behaviour. If in the next 4 years we have no Islamic terror attacks in America, I think you will see a greater degree of acceptance shown towards Muslim immigrants. If terror attacks increase and become more commonplace throughout America, countermeasures will become much more serious than this.

So do you believe that peaceful, law-abiding Muslim-American immigrants who have been living in the U.S., paying their taxes, and are gainfully employed, should also suffer because of the behavior of Muslim terrorists?

 

[ToeInTheWater]

The response here will be directly proportionate to peoples behaviour. If in the next 4 years we have no Islamic terror attacks in America, I think you will see a greater degree of acceptance shown towards Muslim immigrants. If terror attacks increase and become more commonplace throughout America, countermeasures will become much more serious than this.

And you feel those should be…?

I get a feeling Seamus L would have no issue with mass deportation, or perhaps internment camps for Muslims. Of course that is hardly an original idea.

ETA: I’m not trying to pick on Seamus personally. I just find it very ironic that Catholics, who used to be viewed with suspicion, or at least as fundamentally not “compatible with real Americans” even 100 years ago are now culturally assimilated enough, to be making judgments that those of another religion are also inherently “un American” and can never be culturally assimilated.

I guess this the whole “those who forget history are condemned to repeat it” thing.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

I get a feeling Seamus L would have no issue with mass deportation, or perhaps internment camps for Muslims. Of course that is hardly an original idea.

Well Seamus?

 

[Seamus_L]

My guess would be that we’d see a very heavy increase in deportations, possibly even repatriation, but as I said, the response will be in proportion to whether we have decreased or increased acts of terrorism.

 

[FollowChrist34]

A lot of turmoil in the Middle East and the rise of terrorism can be laid to the inaction and incompetence of Obama foreign policy (following on the Iraq war). We have been looking the other way for eight years, as we are flooded by war refugees and terrorism has flourished. The West needs to engage more in the Middle East, including Syria, if we want stability and a reduction in terrorism. I can’t believe we are surprised it has come to this. The threat of domestic terrorism or the implementation of vetting, bans.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

My guess would be that we’d see a very heavy increase in deportations, possibly even repatriation, but as I said, the response will be in proportion to whether we have decreased or increased acts of terrorism.

And if we can’t deport them…?

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

There is a difference in being a citizen and having a green card. If you want to permanently remain in the US you have to become a citizen.

Actually things have been far worse in the past. The celebrated Abraham Lincoln had a US congressman, Clement Vallandigham, a native born citizen, tried for treason for criticizing him and his war. As punishment he was exiled from the US. That was a native born man who served in congress.

Respectfully, you don’t know how a green card works. My mom doesn’t have all the rights of a US citizen. She could work, she has s social security card, she’s paid taxes. She doesn’t have the right to vote. If she leaves the US for a time period than she can lose it. But she can totally live here until she dies, provided she commits no felonies. She’s 74 with dementia living in a nursing home.

 

[ToeInTheWater]

My guess would be that we’d see a very heavy increase in deportations, possibly even repatriation, but as I said, the response will be in proportion to whether we have decreased or increased acts of terrorism.

What is the difference between deportation and repatriation?

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I get a feeling Seamus L would have no issue with mass deportation, or perhaps internment camps for Muslims. Of course that is hardly an original idea.

ETA: I’m not trying to pick on Seamus personally. I just find it very ironic that Catholics, who used to be viewed with suspicion, or at least as fundamentally not “compatible with real Americans” even 100 years ago are now culturally assimilated enough, to be making judgments that those of another religion are also inherently “un American” and can never be culturally assimilated.

I guess this the whole “those who forget history are condemned to repeat it” thing.

Even now. Ann Coulter (who trump probably based a lot of his immigration rhetoric ) said that Roman Catholics needed to be less Roman and more American). I’m actually surprised she’s not in the cabinet.

 

[Seamus_L]

Since there’s a 99.9 pct chance I won’t be holding any government office, I won’t be making any major decisions. All I’ll say is that in the coming years, if nothing changes, I see alot of increased tension in Western countries between the local inhabitants and the Islamic population.

 

[meltzerboy]

Even now. Ann Coulter (who trump probably based a lot of his immigration rhetoric ) said that Roman Catholics needed to be less Roman and more American). I’m actually surprised she’s not in the cabinet.

LOL Ann Coulter doesn’t sound much like a candidate for the Office of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs. But maybe Trump will appoint her to such an office despite this.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

Since there’s a 99.9 pct chance I won’t be holding any government office, I won’t be making any major decisions. All I’ll say is that in the coming years, if nothing changes, I see alot of increased tension in Western countries between the local inhabitants and the Islamic population.

Thank God for that.
But what would you personally see as a policy in reaction to the ‘tension’ between “local inhabitants and the Islamic population?”

 

[ToeInTheWater]

Even now. Ann Coulter (who trump probably based a lot of his immigration rhetoric ) said that Roman Catholics needed to be less Roman and more American). I’m actually surprised she’s not in the cabinet.

I’m not, I doubt she’d want to join even if asked. I classify Coulter with the Rush’s and Hannity’s, they all make a living making inflammatory comments that bring them much more success in the private sector, both financially and in terms of personal notoriety/celebrity, than they ever would as a government bureaucrat.

But comments such as hers make those of pro-Trump Catholics even more ironic. And by pro-Trump I don’t mean “He was a better option than Hillary and I’ll give him the respect owed the POTUS” but those who reflexively support him no matter what and not even try to use critical analysis.

 

[exnihilo]

Respectfully, you don’t know how a green card works. My mom doesn’t have all the rights of a US citizen. She could work, she has s social security card, she’s paid taxes. She doesn’t have the right to vote. If she leaves the US for a time period than she can lose it. But she can totally live here until she dies, provided she commits no felonies. She’s 74 with dementia living in a nursing home.

I admit I don’t know the intricacies of green cards. But you yourself provided two reasons my statement is true. This doesn’t account for the fact that the US could change the law in regards to green card holders.

 

[gilliam]

After the suspension is lifted, the government will give priority to applicants that are suffering religious-based prosecution, but only if they are minorities in their country.

Trump said in a television interview that the move would protect Christians. It could also protect ethnic minorities like the Yazidis in the Middle East. This could potentially open the door to legal challenges claiming religious discrimination, some legal experts say.

Once refugee admissions resume, fewer will be allowed. The 2017 cap was set at 50,000 people, compared to 85,000 designated by President Barack Obama for 2016.

In a nod to certain states and cities that have objected to refugee resettlement, the order also seeks to give state and local jurisdictions a role in deciding whether or not to allow people to live there.

reuters.com/article/usa-trump-refugees-factbox-idINKBN15C0NG?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

 

[_Abyssinia]

According to the following, “the State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months after the Federal Bureau of Investigation uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.” thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/

Even under the Obama administration, refugees got blocked for a significant time period from Iraq because terrorists had presumably claimed to be refugees to get into the USA. There is clearly a history of terrorists using refugee programs to gain access to country. That has been seen in the USA and Europe.

When I’ve seen some past statements by Bishops, immigration was an issue designated as an issue of prudential judgement. So can’t Catholics be in good standing with the Church and have different views on vetting and the severity?

 

[Thorolfr]

A lot of turmoil in the Middle East and the rise of terrorism can be laid to the inaction and incompetence of Obama foreign policy (following on the Iraq war).

But the turmoil was set in motion by Bush’s invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the incompetent US occupation of that country under Bush.

 

[dvdjs]

Even now. Ann Coulter (who trump probably based a lot of his immigration rhetoric ) said that Roman Catholics needed to be less Roman and more American). I’m actually surprised she’s not in the cabinet.

She also said that only people with four grandparents born in the US should vote.
That would disenfranchise a lot of Catholics.

 

[dvdjs]

Even under the Obama administration, refugees got blocked for a significant time period from Iraq because terrorists had presumably claimed to be refugees to get into the USA.

Excellent. When there is actual cause, when there are actual security issues, there is action. But when there is just bloviating about 3-5 million illegals - oh wait, that another bloviation - we should be more reserved.

 

[Thorolfr]

From the New York Times:

“How do I get back home now?” said Daria Zeynalia, a green card holder who was visiting family in Iran. He had rented a house and leased a car, and would be eligible for citizenship in November. “What about my job? If I can’t go back soon, I’ll lose everything.”

nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

This is just plain cruel…