Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

[joshman1]

Because I wouldn’t.

I’m a registered Democrat because where I live, in New York City, the Democratic primary is basically the same as the general election. If you don’t vote in the primary, you essentially don’t get a vote (Mike Bloomberg and Rudy Giuliani being the exceptions) for mayor, or for city council.

I didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton in her primary runs for the Senate, or the general election for the Senate, or in the primary (either time) for president, or in the general election for president.

I’ve never been a committed Democrat. But now I feel like I have to be.

I really was open-minded about Trump (at least after the election). But looking at his actions since he was sworn it, I’m not. I’m scared. And after today, I feel like he’s an actual threat to my family.

Support this 100%. Nailed it - we all have different views, but we have to unite to stop him. It’s week 1 only.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Unfortunately I can’t. I’m not a lawyer, nor do I play an immigration official on television - but the problem with this EO is that (right or wrong) it’s being used against students with visas trying to return to class from other countries. Not hysteria - fact based on information I’m receiving from my son’s classmates and their parents.

I have no problem with the administration placing a hold on NEW refugees, not issuing new visas, etc.

I have a large problem with the administration lumping in students who have already been vetted, already been attending school here, who have done nothing wrong, who have no suspicions against them, suddenly having their education placed on indefinitely hold - and who may suddenly be separated from their immediate families.

These are not refugees or immigrants wanting to come to the US and being upset over having their application delayed. These are kids who went through all the proper channels and went out of the country to visit relatives, work, study, or do charity work and can’t return to class.

Perhaps it’s my own fault for refusing to listen to much about the order due to all the hysteria, but I never understood that it would apply to those already here / already approved.

But now I know and I find it outrageous to simply mess around with people’s lives under the pretext of security without any basis of suspicion at all and with no recourse offered but to wait and see and maybe we’ll get back to you in a few months.

I retract the comment anyway. I am not ok with this. I wish I could cite some humanitarian reason (such as ‘unconstitutionality’ or ‘inhumane’ - both of which there are grounds for here), but my real concern is the future of the Trump presidency and agenda. This is a public relations disaster. All over the world. If he doesn’t figure out what to do with the 11 at JFK and calm this situation down, fast, this could be the beginning of the end. Expect Republicans to start freaking out very very soon.

 

[Inisfallen]

This is a public relations disaster. All over the world. If he doesn’t figure out what to do with the 11 at JFK and calm this situation down, fast, this could be the beginning of the end. Expect Republicans to start freaking out very very soon.

Yes indeed.

I wouldn’t be surprised if nations that have never required a visa for Americans to visit all of a sudden institute a visa requirement, in retaliation and to demonstrate their (absolutely justified) disapproval of President Trump’s action.

Which means it’s going to be a heck of a lot harder for my kids to visit their grandparents, which would be truly sad.

 

[joshman1]

I retract the comment anyway. I am not ok with this. I wish I could cite some humanitarian reason (such as ‘unconstitutionality’ or ‘inhumane’ - both of which there are grounds for here), but my real concern is the future of the Trump presidency and agenda. This is a public relations disaster. All over the world. If he doesn’t figure out what to do with the 11 at JFK and calm this situation down, fast, this could be the beginning of the end. Expect Republicans to start freaking out very very soon.

Screw the fascist. This should blow up in his face. We are AMERICA.

 

[randomuser]

Any word from Trump as to why Saudi Arabia gets a free pass? Anyone from the country that gave us the 9/11 bombers…they’re still free to come and go? Wow. Awfully nice of Trump to give Saudi Arabia a freebie on this one.

 

[randomuser]

Screw the fascist. This should blow up in his face. We are AMERICA.

Land of the free, home of the brave, and still very eager to kiss the ring of whatever Saudi royalty does business with Trump.

 

[3_Dog_Night]

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Unholy Alliance: Christian Charities Profit from $1 Billion Fed Program to Resettle Refugees, 40 Percent Muslim

by Michael Patrick Leahy 29 Nov 2015
breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/unholy-alliance-christian-charities-profit-1-billion-fed-program-resettle-refugees-40-percent-muslim/

Though they are officially “non-profit” organizations, Catholic Charities, Lutheran Social Services, and several other Christian organizations are profiting from lucrative contracts with the federal government to resettle refugees in the United States.

Of the 100,000 refugees resettled in the United States in 2014 under the Refugee Resettlement program, an estimated 40 percent were Muslims.

In FY 2015, the State Department, through the Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration and the Office of Refugee Resettlement, spent more than $1 billion on these programs, which settled international refugees “vetted” by the United Nations High Commission on International Refugees in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The federal government spent hundreds of millions of dollars more than that on refugees, however. The Department of Health and Human Services also provided a number of “entitlements” to these refugees.

Much of this $1 billion in annual revenue goes to voluntary agencies (VOLAGs), several of which are Christian non-profits, such as Catholic Charities, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, World Relief Corporation, Church World Service, and Domestic and Foreign Missionary Service of the Episcopal Church of the USA. (also referred to as Episcopal Migration Ministries), who are contracted on behalf of the government to help these refugees get settled in their new homes in America.

Five of the top nine VOLAGs are Christian non-profits. The other four are Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, International Rescue Committee, US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, and the Ethiopian Community Development Council.

After providing three to four months of resettlement services to these refugees, having been well compensated for their assistance services, these Christian non-profit VOLAGS stop providing services and are not required to keep track of their location within the United States.

As Ann Corcoran wrote recently at Refugee Resettlement Watch, the arrangement benefits the VOLAGs but provides little comfort to Americans worried about the national security implications of bringing in so many unvetted refugees:

Refugee resettlement is profitable to the organizations involved in it. They receive money from the federal government for each refugee they bring over. They have almost no real responsibilities for these refugees. After 4 months the “sponsoring” organization is not even required to know where the refugee lives.

A good percentage of the revenues of these Christian “non-profit” organizations, many of which were originally established to provide charitable services to the poor already within local American communities, now comes from their work as subcontractors to the federal government to relocate these foreign, often Muslim, refugees.

In effect, critics argue, these VOLAGS have become agents of the federal government whose new mission is to import terrorism to the United States under the false flag of Christian compassion.

As Refugee Resettlement Watch reported, there are multiple ways for these VOLAGs to generate revenue from this program:

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The program is so lucrative that in some towns the Catholic Church has lessened support for traditional charity works to put more effort into resettlement. It uses collection offerings to promote the refugee resettlement program.

Despite claims that these Muslim refugees have been “vetted” to keep out terrorists, numerous reports, including those by the Department of Homeland Security and FBI, indicate that this process is flawed, especially for refugees from countries like Syria, where virtually no data bases to perform background checks exist.

Of the approximately 2,000 Syrian refugees who have come to the United States over the past several years, an estimated 97 percent are Muslim.

President Obama wants to bring in an additional 10,000 Syrian refugees to the United States in FY 2016 (which ends September 30, 2016). At least 26 governors and the vast majority of Americans oppose this plan on national security grounds, but the President is doubling down.

Indeed some reports, which GOP Presidential frontrunner Donald Trump has been referencing frequently, indicate that the President wants as many as 65,000, and perhaps up to 250,000 Syrian refugees in the United States in the very near future.

President Obama and Sen. Elizabeth Warren of the far left Democrats and Speaker Paul Ryan of the establishment GOP use the same language to dismiss opposition to the entry of these almost-exclusively-Muslim Syrian refugees.

“That’s not who we are,” they say, claiming that it is “Un-American” to deny entry to the country to a group of refugees, 97 percent of whom are Muslim, and potentially 10 percent are ISIS sympathizers.

Obama, Warren, and Ryan all fail to acknowledge that the current population of the United States is barely one percent Muslim.

The likelihood that some number of these Muslim refugees—whether from Syria, Iraq, Somalia, or any of the other predominantly Muslim countries that send refugees to the United States—are Islamist terrorists is very high.

 

[Lea101]

Any word from Trump as to why Saudi Arabia gets a free pass? Anyone from the country that gave us the 9/11 bombers…they’re still free to come and go? Wow. Awfully nice of Trump to give Saudi Arabia a freebie on this one.

If i am not wrong, he has a business relationship with them. Which is why everyone is even more outraged.

 

[josh987654321]

Land of the free, home of the brave, and still very eager to kiss the ring of whatever Saudi royalty does business with Trump.

The Irony. It was Clinton and Obama bending over for Saudi royalty. Not Trump.

 

[joshman1]

The Irony. It was Clinton and Obama bending over for Saudi royalty.

And yet they didn’t ban immigrants and refugees.

It’s not about them anymore anyways - Trump is our president. And people are NOT going to stand for this. This isn’t what America was built on.

 

[Lea101]

I’m so sad been seeing a lot of people in the US panicking because their relatives are detained.

 

[Seamus_L]

In fairness, if you listen to a left wing narrative of American History, according to them, we’ve done alot worse.

 

[joshman1]

In fairness, if you listen to a left wing narrative of American History, according to them, we’ve done alot worse.

We have. But we learn from the past. This is a dark stain on American history, we have to learn from our past mistakes and stop this from happening.

 

[meltzerboy]

It would also disenfranchise Donald Trump since his mother was born Scotland.

Maybe disenfranchisement can become retroactive?

 

[Thorolfr]

I really was open-minded about Trump (at least after the election). But looking at his actions since he was sworn it, I’m not. I’m scared. And after today, I feel like he’s an actual threat to my family.

I have personal friends that this latest executive order will now prevent from coming to the US, some of whom are dual nationals with British citizenship, for example. Even these dual nationals, including those with Canadian citizenship, will not be able to enter the US if they came originally from one of the banned countries. This executive order is poorly thought out and is a blunt instrument.

 

[josh987654321]

And yet they didn’t ban immigrants and refugees.

Yes, because they wanted open borders. Which was a huge mistake.

It’s not about them anymore anyways

Sure.

Trump is our president. And people are NOT going to stand for this. This isn’t what America was built on.

Stand for what exactly? I am still looking into this to see what the extent of it is, some posters have raised some legitimate concerns, I don’t know whether they are actually affected or not. Other posters have just gone along with the hype of whatever new biased main stream media report is out on it.

If by doing something about It, just don’t blow up the white house or anything like that.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[meltzerboy]

We have. But we learn from the past. This is a dark stain on American history, we have to learn from our past mistakes and stop this from happening.

Trump is carrying out exactly what he promised, and then some, regarding a ban on Muslim immigrants, followed perhaps by the deportation of all illegal immigrants, mainly Muslim and Hispanic; the construction of a wall blocking illegal Mexican immigration, and to be paid for by a tax increase on Mexican imports; the repeal of Obamacare without a well-considered replacement as of now; federal defunding of sanctuary cities; the defunding of Planned Parenthood as well as the appointment of a conservative justice, or two or three, to the Supreme Court in an effort perhaps to roll back abortion law, gay rights, and bolster gun rights; being in favor of a nuclear option and perhaps soon advocating for the proliferation of nuclear weapons despite a tough sell in Congress; gradually phasing out Medicare and Social Security as we now know these programs in the interest of privatization; and now eliminating jobs in the EPA and, with the help of Betty DeVos, eventually eliminating public education in favor of vouchers and privatization. A continuous criticism of the media by Trump accompanies all of these changes.

So, you see, Trump is (ironically) a man of his word, as well as a man of action. He might also become the king of the executive order, surpassing even Obama, if his first week in office is any signal.

America, take note of these initial actions for they are a sign of more to come. We as a nation must pay close attention and think critically about these changes to determine whether each of them is a change for the good of our country and the world or not.

 

[Tim_D]

This is not true. What Obama did was to end the practice of giving automatic residency to illegal Cuban immigrants just because they were Cuban and managed to reach our shores. This put Cubans on the same footing as everyone else with regard to refugee status.

It reversed a 50 year old policy. We used to celebrate Cubans who dared the danger to make it here and received a welcome; now, we are telling them don’t even try to escape the hardship and misery because we’ll send you back. How is it any different?

 

[Tim_D]

None of the countries that the 9/11 hijackers or the San Bernadino shooter were from are on Trump’s list. So much for preventing terrorism.

So, you’d rather not try at all? And the next time an incident occurs, then you’ll be screaming for the president’s head because he didn’t do enough.

 

[Thorolfr]

It reversed a 50 year old policy. We used to celebrate Cubans who dared the danger to make it here and received a welcome; now, we are telling them don’t even try to escape the hardship and misery because we’ll send you back. How is it any different?

If you like the old policy, maybe it should be extended to any refugees from any war torn or oppressive countries who manage to set foot in the US.