Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

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Any word from Trump as to why Saudi Arabia gets a free pass? Anyone from the country that gave us the 9/11 bombers…they’re still free to come and go? Wow. Awfully nice of Trump to give Saudi Arabia a freebie on this one.
Saudi Arabia is not a failed terrorist state, nor an overt sponsor of islamic terror. It is an ally of the US as a hedge against Iran who has significant interest in reshaping the Middle East to their liking. There is no love lost between sunnis and shiites.

Also, there is no evidence to show that the Saudi government in any way gave any kind of support to the 9/11 hijackers. The fact that they came from Saudi Arabia is pointless. Should we regard everyone from Montana as a terrorist since that is where the unibomber took up residence?
 
If you like the old policy, maybe it should be extended to any refugees from any war torn or oppressive countries who manage to set foot in the US.
I’m not the one pulling my hair out over Trump’s executive order. I happen to think that a halt to “refugees” from failed states run by terrorist organizations until proper vetting can be achieved is a good, sound rational policy.
 
In the news from CNN, “Student, doctor, son banned by Trump: Now what?”

amanda abdelaziz @sitdownamanda
@jimsciutto my family (including my grandma, who I was gonna meet for the first time) was supposed to come in 2 weeks.

amanda abdelaziz @sitdownamanda
@jimsciutto I’ve genuinely never seen my father cry before. I don’t know what to even do

☤Amir Eslami OMS-IV @MrAmirEslami
@jimsciutto my father is a univ professor @WVUTech and travelled to Iran for his fathers funeral, he holds a GC and we are concerned.

@jimsciutto I am a physician. My husband is a scientist. We were going to attend a conference in Portland in March and now we can’t.

@jimsciutto From Iran. Spent my family’s fortune to apply at a US university & have been waiting to get my F1 (Student visa), now what? :confused:

cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/travel-ban-sciutto-tweets/index.html
 
Do people really think that the citizens of a country who calls the US “the Great Satan” and is behind much of the problems in the Middle East, a situation that directly involves American interests, should have free reign to come and go as they please?
 
Saudi Arabia is not a failed terrorist state, nor an overt sponsor of islamic terror. It is an ally of the US as a hedge against Iran who has significant interest in reshaping the Middle East to their liking. There is no love lost between sunnis and shiites.

Also, there is no evidence to show that the Saudi government in any way gave any kind of support to the 9/11 hijackers. The fact that they came from Saudi Arabia is pointless. Should we regard everyone from Montana as a terrorist since that is where the unibomber took up residence?
Isn’t Trump using the opposite reasoning, namely, the fact that terrorists come largely from Muslim countries means that the U.S. should ban ALL Muslim immigrants to the U.S.?
 
Isn’t Trump using the opposite reasoning, namely, the fact that terrorists come largely from Muslim countries means that the U.S. should ban ALL Muslims immigrants to the U.S.?
No. He specifically said that it would apply to those coming from *failed states run by terrorist organizations. * I still fail to understand why this is seen as an unreasonable action.
 
Tim,
Do people really think that the citizens of a country who calls the US “the Great Satan” and is behind much of the problems in the Middle East, a situation that directly involves American interests, should have free reign to come and go as they please?
Then why in Gods green earth have we been providing air cover for their soldiers and militia in Iraq and Syria?
 
Trump is carrying out exactly what he promised, and then some, regarding a ban on Muslim immigrants, followed perhaps by the deportation of all illegal immigrants…
*Except for Muslims from Saudi Arabia. They’re welcomed with open arms by Trump.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if nations that have never required a visa for Americans to visit all of a sudden institute a visa requirement, in retaliation and to demonstrate their (absolutely justified) disapproval of President Trump’s action.
What countries don’t require passports for international travel?
Which means it’s going to be a heck of a lot harder for my kids to visit their grandparents, which would be truly sad.
Are your children from failed states run by terrorist organizations? Are they from those specific countries listed? If not, then there is nothing to worry about. By the way, it isn’t all about you.
 
Tim,

Then why in Gods green earth have we been providing air cover for their soldiers and militia in Iraq and Syria?
Talk to President Obama about that. Trump has been in office 1 week; Obama had 8 years.
 
Talk to President Obama about that. Trump has been in office 1 week; Obama had 8 years.
Yes.

Our prior president had us working with militias who planted bombs trying to kill members of my family serving in that country, not a fan.
 
Saudi Arabia is not a failed terrorist state, nor an overt sponsor of islamic terror. It is an ally of the US as a hedge against Iran who has significant interest in reshaping the Middle East to their liking. There is no love lost between sunnis and shiites.

Also, there is no evidence to show that the Saudi government in any way gave any kind of support to the 9/11 hijackers. The fact that they came from Saudi Arabia is pointless. Should we regard everyone from Montana as a terrorist since that is where the unibomber took up residence?
The Saudi hereditary dictatorship is doing exactly what their Iranians are doing, which is reshaping the Middle East into an ultra-fundamentalist caliphate. The dictatorship uses its oil revenues to spread Wahhabism beyond the ME. This is the ideology that has fuelled violence from Al Qaeda, the Islamic State group, Boko Haram in Nigeria, Al Shabab in Somalia, Abu Sayaaf in the Southern Philippines, and plenty more. It uses money to fund extremist mosques throughout the West including America. The also give textbooks to Islamic schools that incite young children to kill Christians, Jews, and infidels. These are the facts. This not in anyway to defend Iran. The fact is there are no allies for the West in the Middle East except Israel.
 
*Except for Muslims from Saudi Arabia. They’re welcomed with open arms by Trump.
Of course he loves the Saudis since he has business interests there:
Trump registered eight companies tied to hotel interests in [Saudi Arabia] shortly after launching his campaign in August 2015, according to The Washington Post.
He also like Turkey which is not on the list:
Trump currently licenses his name to two luxury towers in the Turkish metropolis of Istanbul.
And he likes the United Arab Emirates (also not on the list):
The Trump Organization has a licensing and management deal in Dubai for two golf courses and a whole neighborhood of luxury villas currently under construction. The second golf course was designed by Tiger Woods.
nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-muslim-ban-excludes-countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956
 
No. He specifically said that it would apply to those coming from *failed states run by terrorist organizations. * I still fail to understand why this is seen as an unreasonable action.
For one thing, it is inconsistent. Iran is #47 on the 2016 Fragile States Index (formerly called Failed States Index), whereas Pakistan is #14. Also, Kenya, Nigeria, Egypt, Lebanon, and Afghanistan are higher on the list than Iran. But perhaps Iran is a special case.
 
But perhaps Iran is a special case.
Well, considering Iran is working very hard to develope nuclear weapons, which will cause Saudi Arabia to have to develope them in return, I think that we can say that Iran is a special case.
 
For one thing, it is inconsistent. Iran is #47 on the 2016 Fragile States Index (formerly called Failed States Index), whereas Pakistan is #14. Also, Kenya, Nigeria, Egypt, Lebanon, and Afghanistan are higher on the list than Iran. But perhaps Iran is a special case.
Pakistan, which is already a nuclear power, is a much more dangerous and unstable country than Iran.
 
This is a very informative article from David French regarding refugees and this executive order. French has actually been very critical of Trump in the past. The article is called, Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees – Separating Fact From Fiction’

I will paraphrase some of the information from French and add some of my own comments. You can read the full article from French at the below link.

The reason that that refugee processing is being stopped for the 120 days is because that time period is being used to improve the vetting process. Also the number of refugees that will be allowed to be admitted to the US number wise is between what George W Bush allowed during his time in office and what Barack Obama allowed as President, so what’ Trump allows is not some radical departure number wise.

Regarding the 90 day ban for refugees from a number of countries. This has been done because these countries have been torn apart with Islamic radicalism and the Department of Homeland Security is going to use this 90 day period to look into how these countries judge visa admissions etc.
But there can be exceptions made for people from these countries. It’s not an actual outright ban on anyone for anyone form these countries from entering the USA!

David French does not believe the text on the executive order has application to those already holding green cards and people who already legally reside.

There has been a hold out put on for Syrian indefinitely until changes have been made to The United States Regugee Admissions Program. Under the Obama administration though, a measly number of Syrians were allowed in to the USA as refugees, only 29 in 2011, 31 in 2012, 36 in 2013, 105 in 2014, and 1682 in 2015.

French points out that that the executive order does prioritise those refugees who are of a minority religion and have religious persecution but that this could apply to Muslims as well.

Alawite Muslims are a minority, and they have undergone persecution. They could even possibly apply under these regulations.

It’s also pointed out that religious persecution ALREADY exists, prior to his executive order, as something that must be established for asylum and refugee requests.

nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria

Reading David French’s anaylses, the complete hold on Syria is the biggest issue I have with it perhaps, and I would like see Trump talk more though about helping those with aid and support on the ground in these countries. I question some things, but there are things in this executive order that sounds quite reasonable when dealing with countries that are torn apart with Islamic radicalism.
 
Well, considering Iran is working very hard to develope nuclear weapons, which will cause Saudi Arabia to have to develope them in return, I think that we can say that Iran is a special case.
There is no evidence that Iran would use nuclear weapons except to defend itself. In the last two centuries at least, Iran has never attacked another country. In the last major war with Iraq, Iraq was the aggressor.
 
After the suspension is lifted, the government will give priority to applicants that are suffering religious-based prosecution, but only if they are minorities in their country.

Trump said in a television interview that the move would protect Christians. It could also protect ethnic minorities like the Yazidis in the Middle East. This could potentially open the door to legal challenges claiming religious discrimination, some legal experts say.

Once refugee admissions resume, fewer will be allowed. The 2017 cap was set at 50,000 people, compared to 85,000 designated by President Barack Obama for 2016.

In a nod to certain states and cities that have objected to refugee resettlement, the order also seeks to give state and local jurisdictions a role in deciding whether or not to allow people to live there.

reuters.com/article/usa-trump-refugees-factbox-idINKBN15C0NG?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social
Well that just blew right over the heads of everyone here.
Something angrier than detained refugees is fueling the fire.
Wouldn’t you say?
It is very obvious.
 
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