Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

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Nor are we talking about furniture or swing sets. It is a known fact that terrorist organizations are using refugees status as a way of getting operatives into “enemy” countries. They did it in France with the Paris theater massacre and they also did it in Belgium. How many people killed by terrorists are you willing to accept before they reach a point where you say “enough?” One person is one too many in my book. If Trump did nothing and an event occurred, he would be criticized for not doing enough. He takes proactive action and now he’s being criticized for doing too much. Some of you will never be satisfied.
Why isn’t “one person is too many” your view of swing sets? Or hot tap water? Or cows? If we’re going to shut out those who are desperate to save their own lives, I kinda think it should be based on something rational.
 
Why isn’t “one person is too many” your view of swing sets? Or hot tap water? Or cows? If we’re going to shut out those who are desperate to save their own lives, I kinda think it should be based on something rational.
You’ve officially gone over the edge.
 
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If you can’t answer my questions with logic, it isn’t me who’s gone over the edge.
You know, I really don’t know how to respond to someone who compares the potential of a terrorist with a swing set, hot water or a piece of furniture. It is a comparison of apples to rutabagas. People die from innocuous things all the time but that doesn’t’ negate the fact that determined terrorist kill by choice and desire. Statistically, who is more likely to be the perpetrator of terrorist violence, a young man from Sudan or Syria, or a swing set from the local Wal Mart? Pressure cookers are great for cooking but in the hands of radicalized young men from terrorist states, they become a means of destruction of innocent lives. How this contradicts your “logic” is beyond me.
 
You know, I really don’t know how to respond to someone who compares the potential of a terrorist with a swing set, hot water or a piece of furniture. It is a comparison of apples to rutabagas. People die from innocuous things all the time but that doesn’t’ negate the fact that determined terrorist kill by choice and desire. Statistically, who is more likely to be the perpetrator of terrorist violence, a young man from Sudan or Syria, or a swing set from the local Wal Mart? Pressure cookers are great for cooking but in the hands of radicalized young men from terrorist states, they become a means of destruction of innocent lives. How this contradicts your “logic” is beyond me.
Death is death. I assume we all want to minimize death as much as is possible. You’re not going to be killed by a refugee terrorist. But you might be killed by hot tap water. At least that one’s on the map according to statistical data. Death by refugee terrorist isn’t.

You need to explain why a 1 in 3.6 billion chance of dying thanks to a refugee terrorist is great enough that we should shut our nation’s doors to people fleeing for their lives.
 
Death is death. I assume we all want to minimize death as much as is possible. You’re not going to be killed by a refugee terrorist. But you might be killed by hot tap water. At least that one’s on the map according to statistical data. Death by refugee terrorist isn’t.

You need to explain why a 1 in 3.6 billion chance of dying thanks to a refugee terrorist is great enough that we should shut our nation’s doors to people fleeing for their lives.
This. Also explain why NYC which suffered most from this form of terror and is most at risk want them in. THAT is Jesus’ message.
 
Death is death. I assume we all want to minimize death as much as is possible. You’re not going to be killed by a refugee terrorist. But you might be killed by hot tap water. At least that one’s on the map according to statistical data. Death by refugee terrorist isn’t.

You need to explain why a 1 in 3.6 billion chance of dying thanks to a refugee terrorist is great enough that we should shut our nation’s doors to people fleeing for their lives.
I feel one death by a refugee terrorist is to many
 
You know, I really don’t know how to respond to someone who compares the potential of a terrorist with a swing set, hot water or a piece of furniture. It is a comparison of apples to rutabagas. People die from innocuous things all the time but that doesn’t’ negate the fact that determined terrorist kill by choice and desire. Statistically, who is more likely to be the perpetrator of terrorist violence, a young man from Sudan or Syria, or a swing set from the local Wal Mart? Pressure cookers are great for cooking but in the hands of radicalized young men from terrorist states, they become a means of destruction of innocent lives. How this contradicts your “logic” is beyond me.
👍 Accidents happen all the time, but being blown up by terrorist is an act of war, violence against people and invasion of our rights. Major difference, eh?🤷
 
👍 Accidents happen all the time, but being blown up by terrorist is an act of war, violence against people and invasion of our rights. Major difference, eh?🤷
You would think so but apparently, not everyone agrees! :whacky:
 
Death is death. I assume we all want to minimize death as much as is possible. You’re not going to be killed by a refugee terrorist. But you might be killed by hot tap water. At least that one’s on the map according to statistical data. Death by refugee terrorist isn’t.

You need to explain why a 1 in 3.6 billion chance of dying thanks to a refugee terrorist is great enough that we should shut our nation’s doors to people fleeing for their lives.
The chances of me being killed by a lion are practically non-existent but if I rub zebra meat all over my body and run through the African bush, I’m sure that my odds will increase tremendously. And that’s the point: to reduce the odds. Lax vetting increases the odds. And I’m still bewildered by your stance that “death by refugee terrorist isn’t” stance when those people in the Paris theater were killed by terrorists, some of who slipped into Europe in the immigration wave. You keep stating the high odds of death by terrorist but the fact remains that many thousands of people all over the world have been killed by terrorists. It is a reality. Many times it is the unfortunate result of being in the wrong place at the wrong time but death is death.
 
Can you explain how NYers don’t agree, yet are most at risk?

That is true courage.
NYers think it is in the interest of their own people to ban giant soft drinks. I would hardly hold New York City politics as being representative of the nation as a whole.
 
NYers think it is in the interest of their own people to ban giant soft drinks. I would hardly hold New York City politics as being representative of the nation as a whole.
You should learn from our courage here. We are most at risk from an attack.
 
For anybody wondering why the seven countries on the executive order have been chosen, this is why, per Steven Portnoy:

twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/825430376126541824
Trump is applying common sense to migration. People do so all the time.

When a company hires a person, it doesnt do so based upon the need to the person to earn a check, it sees if the person is qualified to do the job.

If you rent a house your background is checked to see if you will be a good renter.

If you buy a house the bank checks to see if you can pay it back.

If you plant a crop do you plan or do you just throw some seeds out and hope for the best.

If you had children, when it came time to drive, did you buy them a hot rod or a safe car to drive?
 
The chances of me being killed by a lion are practically non-existent but if I rub zebra meat all over my body and run through the African bush, I’m sure that my odds will increase tremendously. And that’s the point: to reduce the odds. Lax vetting increases the odds. And I’m still bewildered by your stance that “death by refugee terrorist isn’t” stance when those people in the Paris theater were killed by terrorists, some of who slipped into Europe in the immigration wave. You keep stating the high odds of death by terrorist but the fact remains that many thousands of people all over the world have been killed by terrorists. It is a reality. Many times it is the unfortunate result of being in the wrong place at the wrong time but death is death.
Please explain to me what else you’re willing to take this stance on when the odds are so incredibly low. What else are you willing to completely expunge from your community because it creates a 1 in 3.6 billion chance of killing you?
 
Affective probabilistic calculations and cognitive probabilistic calculations run on parallel systems. Reason loses out in one. Who knew potential foreign jihadis are nothing to worry about? All you need is one single terrorist strike to skew those figures.
 
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