Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

[kat07]

Vetting of refugees: I posted an article that described the serious difficulties of vetting refugees from war torn countries. The “professionals” (i.e., FBI, Homeland Security, etc.) say this themselves. But that article was completely disregarded, it appears. In fact, I believe there was also a Senate hearing where this exact testimony was also stated.

Think of it like this: In a war-torn country, the country is in shambles – things like data bases, birth certificates, credit reports, identification, licenses – you name it, if the city has been bombed and shelled and burned out, good luck with finding records and information. So how in the world do you “vet” these folks? Not at all or minimally.

The end game: right now we are talking about the potential for “terrorist attacks” with the influx of refugees. And yes, it is a significant concern and needs to be addressed! Then what happens when a substantial number of immigrants come to the US (or European Countries)? Many have no interest in integrating into American (Western) culture.

The birth rates of those in the middle east far surpasses the birth rates of those in the west. By sheer demographics, the USA will be taken over – as is what is happening in Europe. Our democracies will be used against us in local, state and federal government. If we don’t learn from the EU mistakes, we will repeat them to our detriment.

If we now have a London mayor segregating women, is it too hard to imagine a city council with majority Muslim representation enacting Sharia law for a local community? I have no interest in genital mutilation, honor killings, a tax on non-Muslims, the killing of apostates and blasphemers of Mohammad, public calls to prayer (5X per day), etc.

And I don’t care what I am called. The strategy of calling folks “bigots, fascists, racists, Islamophobic, or whatever” doesn’t work anymore in shutting down the conversation. I am weary of that thread bear and worn out strategy. Not interested. And I am not interested in allowing Christian charity to be used against my family, friends, neighbors, community.

There have been several refugees convicted in high-profile terrorism plots, and several more were asylees, who do not go through the same screening process. In one case, two Iraqi refugees in Kentucky were convicted after it turned out they had used IEDs to attack U.S. soldiers in Iraq and were plotting other attacks. In another case a refugee in Idaho was found guilty of conspiracy and attempting to support a terrorist organization, after he had allegedly been stockpiling explosives. Other high-profile terrorists entered the U.S. first and then applied for asylum.

The vast majority of Syrian refugees are legitimate victims of terror and persecution, but it only takes a handful of ISIS infiltrators hiding among them to bring the bloodshed we saw in Paris to our streets. “Polls” show that about 13% of refugees support the terror network. english.dohainstitute.org/file/Get/40ebdf12-8960-4d18-8088-7c8a077e522e

A lot of information simply does not exist for Syrians, and others from war torn regions. It would be interesting to know how the refugees are supposedly vetted now and how long it takes to get here? What records did they even check, if there are even records?FBI Director James Comey said in a congressional testimony in October, “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data, I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this.”

An Israeli company with a grant from the DHS developed the Suspect Detection System, which the Obama administration refused to utilize,why? From what I understand it’s an automated interrogation system which can determine in 5- 7 minutes if an individual is harboring hostile intent and has a 95% accuracy rate. The system is used in 15 countries including Israel, Singapore, China, India, Mexico, and others.

 

[josh987654321]

Not very much…

Okay.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Let me get this straight:

Democrats almost universally support strict, permanent laws requiring background checks on anyone who wants to purchase a firearm.

But when the President issues an Executive Order that initiates a temporary, 120-day freeze on immigration from countries that are known to be soft on terrorism so that the administration can have time to develop a better background check system for future immigrants, the Democrats:

1. Threaten to withhold tax funds (I’m looking at you, California),
2. Talk of seceding from the Union (dittoes), and
3. Introduce bills reversing the Executive Order (California Senator Barbara Boxer).

If background checks are useful for keeping our citizens safe, why not apply them in the case of immigration as well as firearms purchases?

 

[Jeanne_S]

Let me get this straight:

Democrats almost universally support strict, permanent laws requiring background checks on anyone who wants to purchase a firearm.

But when the President issues an Executive Order that initiates a temporary, 120-day freeze on immigration from countries that are known to be soft on terrorism so that the administration can have time to develop a better background check system for future immigrants, the Democrats:

1. Threaten to withhold tax funds (I’m looking at you, California),
2. Talk of seceding from the Union (dittoes), and
3. Introduce bills reversing the Executive Order (California Senator Barbara Boxer).

If background checks are useful for keeping our citizens safe, why not apply them in the case of immigration as well as firearms purchases?

Excellent point!

 

[Thorolfr]

If background checks are useful for keeping our citizens safe, why not apply them in the case of immigration as well as firearms purchases?

Background checks were already being done on immigrants and refugees. The process usually took 2 or more years, already much much more thorough than any firearms background check we now have in the US.

 

[dvdjs]

Background checks were already being done on immigrants and refugees. The process usually took 2 or more years, already much much more thorough than any firearms background check we now have in the US.

Precisely.
So what was the point of this?
Why is there the hint of a religious test in this?
Why weren’t issues of green cards, allies, dual citizens, etc. figured out first?
Why was this vetted and rolled out in such an amateurish way?

 

[ManOnFire]

In2011, President Obama imposed a 6 month ban on processing Iraqi refugees for fear of terrorism but the media didn’t widely cover it, then nor now. Bigots.

abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qae…ry?id=20931131

“the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News”

Media = puppetmaster

 

[exnihilo]

In2011, President Obama imposed a 6 month ban on processing Iraqi refugees for fear of terrorism but the media didn’t widely cover it, then nor now. Bigots.

abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qae…ry?id=20931131

“the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News”

Media = puppetmaster

Nor did the leftists protest when Obama was bombing these people they claim to love so much.

 

[randomuser]

But when the President issues an Executive Order that initiates a temporary, 120-day freeze on immigration from countries that are known to be soft on terrorism

FAULTY PREMISE. Saudi Arabia is definitely known to be “soft on terrorism,” considering 9/11, San Bernardino, and Orlando – all Saudi nationals.

 

[randomuser]

Excellent point!

Not really. The only explanation I’ve heard for why Saudi Arabia’s Muslims get a free pass is because, “But it’s Obama’s list-! He put them there!” Will Trump be blaming Obama for the next 4 years, like how Obama blamed Bush? It’s Obama’s fault we can’t ban Muslims from Saudi Arabia? Really?

 

[Inisfallen]

If background checks are useful for keeping our citizens safe, why not apply them in the case of immigration as well as firearms purchases?

Well, we do, obviously. It’s a heck of a lot harder to get a green card than it is to get a gun permit.

Do you really think people can just mail in an application and get a green card back in the mail? It takes a long, long time and costs a lot of money. It requires reams of documentation, face to face interviews, fingerprints, and more.

 

[3_Dog_Night]

Gun control and Immigration: And this is how our welcome and our kindness is repaid …

I have friends who live in Columbus, Ohio and who work at the Ohio State University. The first day back from Thanksgiving break is when the Islamic terror attack happened. If it weren’t for that police office who happened to be a minute away (because of the natural gas leak), things might have been much worse. If it weren’t for three level one trauma centers, literally minutes away, things might have been much worse. That no one died except the attacker was in itself a miracle! The actions of the Columbus Police and Fire Departments were nothing short of professional with a remarkably rapid response.

Do you know that those kids (college students) ran to the car to make sure the driver was okay? They thought it was a medical emergency! And then the driver got out of the vehicle with a very large knife and started slashing. My friend’s husband was in the adjoining building. Sheer terror! Do you know the school paper did a very nice feature article on the attacker (the People of OSU series) at the beginning of the semester? It was done in a favorable and positive manner. The attacker was the first of the series. And this is how we, as Americans, are repaid for our kindness and our welcome?

So about that gun control thing: some of the students at the scene were current members of the National Guard and some had recently served in the military. What if that officer had not been close by? I imagine the casualty count would have gone up dramatically. As I see it, there is no reason these students couldn’t be concealed carry permit holders. And there is no reason others who are willing to go through the training and permit process can’t also have a concealed weapon. Let’s equal out those odds a little more. There is no reason to be sitting ducks in a gun free zone. Enough. Really enough.

 

[gracepoole]

Awesome.

Jihadist groups hail Trump’s travel ban as a victory

 

[Thorolfr]

Awesome.

Jihadist groups hail Trump’s travel ban as a victory

Jihadist groups on Sunday celebrated the Trump administration’s ban on travel from seven Muslim-majority countries, saying the new policy validates their claim that the United States is at war with Islam.

Comments posted to pro-Islamic State social media accounts predicted that President Trump’s executive order would persuade American Muslims to side with the extremists. One posting hailed the U.S. president as “the best caller to Islam,” while others predicted that Trump would soon launch a new war in the Middle East.

Just what I had predicted would happen as a result of Mr. Trump’s ban. It will be a propaganda bonanza for extremists groups in the Middle East and will make the US less safe.

 

[kat07]

“Well guys look, looks like all us Muslims being temporarily banned are about to be terrorists.”

Meanwhile Washington Post - “Europe may face a grim future with terrorism as a fact of life.” “As security officials are foiling big plots, small plots inevitable."

washingtonpost.com/world/europe/after-berlin-market-attack-europe-faces-grim-future-with-terrorism-as-fact-of-life/2016/12/23/6f2f6536-c84c-11e6-acda-59924caa2450_story.html?utm_term=.48ad3b507225

 

[josh987654321]

Awesome.

Jihadist groups hail Trump’s travel ban as a victory

Just what I had predicted would happen as a result of Mr. Trump’s ban. It will be a propaganda bonanza for extremists groups in the Middle East and will make the US less safe.

So you expect everyone to walk on egg shells and tippy toe around them so that they don’t go join some Jihadist group?

If they were close enough to joining such a group that something like this pushed them over the edge, they were going to eventually join up anyway.

I for one do not care what they say. I think Trumps administrations has made the right call by trying to secure their borders.

Also, how come you listen to Jihadists apparently gloating over this, yet not when they were apparently gloating over mass immigration into Europe and other places?

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Abynissa]

Koch brother rips Trump’s Muslim ban idea

Billionaire industrialist and political megadonor Charles Koch in a new interview slams Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s idea to ban Muslims from the U.S.

Koch said in a story published Friday that such a proposal would “destroy our free society.”

"Who is it that said, ‘If you want to defend your liberty, the first thing you’ve got to do is defend the liberty of people you like the least’?” Koch told The Financial Times.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Koch brother rips Trump’s Muslim ban idea

Billionaire industrialist and political megadonor Charles Koch in a new interview slams Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s idea to ban Muslims from the U.S.

Koch said in a story published Friday that such a proposal would “destroy our free society.”

"Who is it that said, ‘If you want to defend your liberty, the first thing you’ve got to do is defend the liberty of people you like the least’?” Koch told The Financial Times.

So now the Koch Brothers are the good guys?

 

[Mummsie]

Sound like you can’t respond to the admonition to listen to our Pope and Bishops so you instead question the right of anyone to make that admonition. Why don’t you try to explain why you don’t want to listen to them? Or else explain why you think they are being misquoted and are not really saying the things claimed. But don’t shoot the messenger just because you don’t like the message.

First, I didn’t think I was shooting the messenger. I was asking him a question. Is that not permitted? Second, Our Pope has also stated a country has the right to protect its borders. As stated previously, I believe that our government’s number one goal is to protect us. Mr. Trump’s EO is a temporary 120 day ban until we can be sure we have the proper resources and knowledge to vet those refugees thoroughly. Lastly, I find your “explain yourself” comments to be a bit offensive.

God Bless You

 

[kat07]

One of the most striking reports on the vetting of refugees— both because of its content and how the Fake News (mainstream) media ignored it is an October 2015 Glazov Gang interview with Dr. Mudar Zahran, a leader of the Jordanian- Palestinian Opposition Coalition, a Muslim refugee now living as a refugee in Britain. While calling himself an “orthodox Muslim,” he nonetheless issued an eyebrow-raising warning: “Keep the Muslim migrants out of Europe”. While Europe was the focus at the time; Zahran’s warnings absolutely apply to the US. And what he says is troubling: Many if not most of the migrants are not what they appear.

Video below.
youtube.com/watch?v=5OgncR6cewc&feature=youtu.be

This warning has been echoed by other Muslim figures as well. In 2015, Lebanese Education Minister Elias Bou Saab warned 20k jihadis likely lurk in his country’s refugee camps, and Syrian ambassador Riad Abbas stated that 20% of Muslim migrants entering Europe had Islamic State ties.

The reality is that there is no way to reliably vet the Muslim migrants.

Nations such as Syria simply don’t have comprehensive, Western-style databases containing information on their citizens. Intelligence officials have acknowledged this as the has the Greek government, and even former Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson. As per Investor’s Business Daily Syria and Iraq, along with Somalia and Sudan, are failed states where police records aren’t even kept. “Agents can’t vet somebody if they don’t have documentation and don’t even have the criminal databases to screen applicants.” investors.com/politics/editorials/no-databases-exist-to-vet-syrian-refugees/

Moreover, what good would the data be? NYC Syrian community leader Aarafat “Ralph” Succar pointed out in 2015 while warning of IS infiltration in the US, you can bribe Syrian public officials and get government documents stating you’re whoever you want to be. “You can go to the Syrian government today and say to them, ‘I need a piece of paper that says I’m Tony Caterpillar.’ And they give it to you,” New York Post - nypost.com/2015/11/19/syrian-community-leader-isis-is-already-in-new-york-city/

As for the notion these migrants can be vetted, Succar has a simple response: “Are you out of your mind?”

Yet even if we could weed out the fakefugees, it wouldn’t matter because vetting informs only about what migrants are, not what they will become or what their children will be.

The math is simple: If 1m Muslim migrants enter a nation over time and just 1/10th of 1% are or will become terrorists, that’s 1k dangerous jihadists. And this estimate is conservative not liberal.

Zahran warned, “I have to be honest; you read Arab magazines and Arab newspapers and they are talking about, ‘Good job! Now we’re going to conquest Europe.’ So it’s not even a secret.” Zahran called this process “the soft Islamic conquest of the West” and noted that what Muslims “couldn’t do in the last 20 years, now the West is doing for us for free and even is paying for it.”

More Muslims have arrived in the US just since 9/11 than did so during our nation’s entire history leading up to it. This, the handiwork of the left, has already resulted in hundreds more Westerners dying in jihadist attacks.