Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

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Hmm, it seems that the country excluded are the countries where Trump has business ties and where the terrorists originated from Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, UAE, Pakistan, Egypt

Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties
Bloomberg

“President Trump has signed an executive order that bans citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East from entering the United States for 90 days, according to the White House. His proposed list doesn’t include Muslim-majority countries where his Trump Organization has done business or pursued potential deals. Properties include golf courses in the United Arab Emirates and two luxury towers operating in Turkey.”

All the other Muslim countries need to do is promise to build a Trump hotel or golf course to have the ban lifted on their country. It has nothing to do about making the country safer!! :eek:
#Things That Make You Go Hmmmm
 
Hmm, it seems that the country excluded are the countries where Trump has business ties and where the terrorists originated from Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, UAE, Pakistan, Egypt

cato.org/blog/guide-trumps-executive-order-limit-migration-national-security-reasons

Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties
Bloomberg

“President Trump has signed an executive order that bans citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East from entering the United States for 90 days, according to the White House. His proposed list doesn’t include Muslim-majority countries where his Trump Organization has done business or pursued potential deals. Properties include golf courses in the United Arab Emirates and two luxury towers operating in Turkey.”

All the other Muslim countries need to do is promise to build a Trump hotel or golf course to have the ban lifted on their country. It has nothing to do about making the country safer!! :eek:
This is beyond silly.

Who but a madman would build a hotel in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Yemen, or Sudan? All but Iran are war zones and none but Iran has a government that controls the country. And Iran has a way of kidnapping foreign nationals on bogus charges and holding them for ransom.

Say what one wants about the other Muslim countries, but the rest of them all have a government and none of them are battlefields.
 
Hmm, it seems that the country excluded are the countries where Trump has business ties and where the terrorists originated from Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, UAE, Pakistan, Egypt

cato.org/blog/guide-trumps-executive-order-limit-migration-national-security-reasons

Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties
Bloomberg

“President Trump has signed an executive order that bans citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East from entering the United States for 90 days, according to the White House. His proposed list doesn’t include Muslim-majority countries where his Trump Organization has done business or pursued potential deals. Properties include golf courses in the United Arab Emirates and two luxury towers operating in Turkey.”

All the other Muslim countries need to do is promise to build a Trump hotel or golf course to have the ban lifted on their country. It has nothing to do about making the country safer!! :eek:
I thought that Sean Spicer made a point in the most recent press conference, regarding people that are now trying to point out why aren’t more countries on the list, when people have criticised the fact that the seven countries are in this executive order with this temporary hold in the first place.

Per Steven Portnoy, the seven countries are countries that were designated by the Department of Homeland Security under President Obama as being countries that had on repeated basis supported terrorism.

Why weren’t the countries you list not also listed? I don’t know.

Reince Priebus was asked about Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and some other countries on ‘Meet the Press’ and said it was possible they could be added to the list.
 
Your “I don’t care” is very telling unfortunately.
I dont care what you call them, Trump is right. As he said, and most people do the same, I lock my doors at not, not because I hate people but because I love my family.
 
Hmm, it seems that the country excluded are the countries where Trump has business ties and where the terrorists originated from Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, UAE, Pakistan, Egypt

cato.org/blog/guide-trumps-executive-order-limit-migration-national-security-reasons

Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties
Bloomberg

“President Trump has signed an executive order that bans citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East from entering the United States for 90 days, according to the White House. His proposed list doesn’t include Muslim-majority countries where his Trump Organization has done business or pursued potential deals. Properties include golf courses in the United Arab Emirates and two luxury towers operating in Turkey.”

All the other Muslim countries need to do is promise to build a Trump hotel or golf course to have the ban lifted on their country. It has nothing to do about making the country safer!! :eek:
This is beyond insulting. Trump didn’t run for president to make a few extra bucks, if he did, he wouldn’t have funded his own campaign, he wouldn’t have given up his salary as president, and he would have said and done everything to make people happy instead of getting everyone to gang up on him by wanting to do what’s right by his supporters.
 
Trump didn’t run for president to make a few extra bucks, if he did, he wouldn’t have funded his own campaign, he wouldn’t have given up his salary as president…
The amount he spent on his campaign and his salary as President are nothing in comparison to what he can gain with the power of the Presidency at this disposal. However in this case I am inclined to agree that Trump is not acting solely out of the desire for monetary gain. In my opinion, I think he is motivated by a desire for fame and adulation. And that you can also get with the power of the Presidency at your disposal. Since he derives a lot of his self-esteem from his business success, that might be the motivation for staying open to nations that host his business interests. It is not all about the money.
 
This is beyond insulting. Trump didn’t run for president to make a few extra bucks, if he did, he wouldn’t have funded his own campaign, he wouldn’t have given up his salary as president, and he would have said and done everything to make people happy instead of getting everyone to gang up on him by wanting to do what’s right by his supporters.
Then I’m sure he’ll have no problem standing up to Saudi Arabia and telling them to stop sending over their nationals who bring terrorism to U.S. soil, including on 9/11. There are at least 3,000 families from New York – and Shanksville, PA, and Washington, DC – who are beyond “insulted” that for all his swagger Trump can’t stand up to the Saudis.
 
This is beyond insulting. Trump didn’t run for president to make a few extra bucks, if he did, he wouldn’t have funded his own campaign, he wouldn’t have given up his salary as president, and he would have said and done everything to make people happy instead of getting everyone to gang up on him by wanting to do what’s right by his supporters.
Who’s ganging up on whom? Didn’t he gather a sizeable base by going after Obama’s birth certificate for several years? Is this what makes people happy these days?
 
As I’m sure she knew she would be.
I’m sure she knew also. Being a temporary position I wonder how big of a sacrifice that was. Then again if she is following the law as she understands it then that may not matter.

Some of what I’ve been seeing reminds me of the book “A Dictator’s Handbook.” One of the things highlighted in the books is often times loyalty of key supporters is more important than competency in ruling the people when it comes to staying in power. ( someone did a nice video summary of the book).
 
I think we could justify not allowing any of these people on the mere fact we are at war with their countries. Would anyone be outraged if during WWII we had not allowed Japanese or Germans to enter the US? In fact I wonder what the policy was?

I think we are at war with all of these countries because we have been carrying out military action against them. We don’t have declarations of war, but apparently that is an anachronism. Personally I’m against our never ending imperial military adventures but given their reality I think that alone justifies a ban.
ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267

On May 13, 1939, the German transatlantic liner St. Louis sailed from Hamburg, Germany, for Havana, Cuba. On the voyage were 937 passengers. Almost all were Jews fleeing from the Third Reich. Most were German citizens, some were from eastern Europe, and a few were officially “stateless.”

More than money, corruption, and internal power struggles were at work in Cuba. Like the United States and the Americas in general, Cuba struggled with the Great Depression. Many Cubans resented the relatively large number of refugees (including 2,500 Jews), whom the government had already admitted into the country, because they appeared to be competitors for scarce jobs.
Hostility toward immigrants fueled both antisemitism and xenophobia. Both agents of Nazi Germany and indigenous right-wing movements hyped the immigrant issue in their publications and demonstrations, claiming that incoming Jews were Communists. Two of the papers—Diario de la Marina, owned by the influential Rivero family, and Avance, owned by the Zayas family, had supported the Spanish fascist leader General Francisco Franco, who, after a three-year civil war, had just overthrown the Spanish Republic in the spring of 1939 with the help of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. Reports about the impending voyage fueled a large antisemitic demonstration in Havana on May 8, five days before the St. Louis sailed from Hamburg. The rally, the largest antisemitic demonstration in Cuban history, had been sponsored by Grau San Martin, a former Cuban president. Grau spokesman Primitivo Rodriguez urged Cubans to “fight the Jews until the last one is driven out.” The demonstration drew 40,000 spectators. Thousands more listened on the radio.

On June 2, Bru ordered the ship out of Cuban waters.

Sailing so close to Florida that they could see the lights of Miami, some passengers on the St. Louis cabled President Franklin D. Roosevelt asking for refuge. Roosevelt never responded. The State Department and the White House had decided not to take extraordinary measures to permit the refugees to enter the United States. A State Department telegram sent to a passenger stated that the passengers must “await their turns on the waiting list and qualify for and obtain immigration visas before they may be admissible into the United States.” US diplomats in Havana intervened once more with the Cuban government to admit the passengers on a “humanitarian” basis, but without success.

Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler’s policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism.

Following the US government’s refusal to permit the passengers to disembark, the St. Louis sailed back to Europe on June 6, 1939. The passengers did not return to Germany, however. Jewish organizations (particularly the Jewish Joint Distribution Committee) negotiated with four European governments to secure entry visas for the passengers: Great Britain took 288 passengers; the Netherlands admitted 181 passengers, Belgium took in 214 passengers; and 224 passengers found at least temporary refuge in France. Of the 288 passengers admitted by Great Britain, all survived World War II save one, who was killed during an air raid in 1940. Of the 620 passengers who returned to continent, 87 (14%) managed to emigrate before the German invasion of Western Europe in May 1940. 532 St. Louis passengers were trapped when Germany conquered Western Europe. Just over half, 278 survived the Holocaust. 254 died: 84 who had been in Belgium; 84 who had found refuge in Holland, and 86 who had been admitted to France.
 
Iraqi general who works with American military kept from visiting U.S.

BAGHDAD – Gen. Talib al Kenani commands the elite American-trained counter terrorist forces that have been leading the fight against ISIS for two years.

“I’m a four star general, and I’m banned from entering the U.S.?” he said.

His family was relocated to the U.S. for their safety, and he’d had plans to see them next week, until he was told not to bother.

“I have been fighting terrorism for 13 years and winning,” he said. “Now my kids are now asking if I’m a terrorist?

I wonder why this ban is going to be a problem, hmm?
 
April 15, 2015: Yarmouth refugee camp attacked by ISIS and Assad: thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/15/the-palestinian-hell-in-the-midst-of-the-syrian-inferno.html

April 15, 2015: Akashi refugee camp attacked by ISIS: shrc.org/en/?p=27118

February 11, 2016: Suicide bombers target refugee camp in Nigeria, killing dozens: smh.com.au/world/suicide-bombers-target-refugee-camp-in-nigeria-killing-dozens-20160211-gmr57v.html

March 4, 2016: 25 died in Malakal refugee camp attack in South Sudan: africanews.com/2016/03/04/un-25-died-in-malakal-refugee-camp-attack-in-south-sudan/

June 23, 2016: More than 1,200 die of starvation and illness at Nigeria refugee camp: theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/23/refugees-die-starvation-illness-nigeria-camp-bama-boko-haram

August 18, 2016: ISIS attacks refugee camp in Iraq: preemptivelove.org/isis_attacks_refugee_camp_in_iraq_mosul_corridor

August 26, 2016: Suspected ISIS suicide bomber targets Makhmour refugee camp: rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/260820161

October 16, 2016: ISIS suicide bomber targets Rakban refugee camp in Syria: english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/10/17/Three-killed-in-refugee-camp-ISIS-suicide-attack.html

October 31, 2016: Boko Haram targets refugee camp in two-day attack: world.wng.org/2016/10/boko_haram_targets_refugee_camp_in_two_day_attack

January 16, 2017: 236 dead at Nigeria refugee camp mistakenly bombed by air force

January 20, 2017: Boko Haram Attacks Refugee Camp That Nigerian Air Force Bombed: breitbart.com/national-security/2017/01/20/boko-haram-attacks-refugee-camp-nigerian-air-force-bombed/
 
Iraqi general who works with American military kept from visiting U.S.

BAGHDAD – Gen. Talib al Kenani commands the elite American-trained counter terrorist forces that have been leading the fight against ISIS for two years.

“I’m a four star general, and I’m banned from entering the U.S.?” he said.

His family was relocated to the U.S. for their safety, and he’d had plans to see them next week, until he was told not to bother.

“I have been fighting terrorism for 13 years and winning,” he said. “Now my kids are now asking if I’m a terrorist?

I wonder why this ban is going to be a problem, hmm?
The media highlights this kind of news - also British MP or Olympian with dual passport are purported to being banned. Actually Iraqis involved with US army such as the above and British nationals are not included in the ban. Don’t crack your head over thing that is not. You will get unnecessary headache for nothing.
 
thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/316656-refugees-detained-at-us-airports-following-refugee-ban

I’m not sure how this action makes America safe or great. The New York Times reports that these men were in transit as the executive order was signed.

Pope John Paul was against the invasion of Iraq. We invade anyway.

Pope Francis speaks of accepting refugees as a moral good, we arrest two gentlemen who have already been vetted, one worked for the US government.

😦

I’m ashamed.
A 15yo Australian boy who was to travel with his class to Florida on a school Space Camp was denied a visa because unbeknown to him he is a dual citizen of Iran.
  1. He was born in Australia, never been to Iran and only has an Australian passport.
  2. Iran doesn’t care about that, as far as they are concerned his parents are Iranian, therefore he is an Iranian citizen.
  3. The Iran government doesn’t allow their “citizens” to renounce citizenship until they have completed compulsory military service AND over 25yo. Similar to once baptised Catholic, you are Catholic for life.
 
New York Times:
State Dept. Officials Should Quit if They Disagree With Trump, White House Warns - The New York Times

WASHINGTON — The White House on Monday warned State Department officials that they should leave their jobs if they did not agree with President Trump’s agenda, an extraordinary effort to stamp out a wave of internal dissent against Mr. Trump’s temporary ban on entry visas for people from seven predominantly Muslim countries.
Career officials at the State Department are circulating a so-called dissent cable, which says that Mr. Trump’s executive order closing the nation’s doors to more than 200 million people with the intention of weeding out a handful of would-be terrorists will not make the nation safer, and might instead deepen the threat.
“These career bureaucrats have a problem with it?” Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, told reporters. “They should either get with the program or they can go.”
It was yet another stark confrontation between the new president, who is moving swiftly to upend years of policies, and a federal bureaucracy still struggling with the jolting change of power in Washington. There is open hostility to Mr. Trump’s ideas in some pockets of the government, and deep frustration among those enforcing the visa ban that the White House announced the order without warning or consulting them.
 
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