Refutation - Muslim view of Jesus

[FireFromHeaven]

How does one disprove the muslim view that Jesus is a man? For that matter how does one go about preparing for debates with muslims? Anyone with personal experience or a link to a good debate? God bless.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

Well, the first thing you do is abandon rationality, because it won’t have any affect on them anyways.

Anyways, to be more polite, it’s going to be a very difficult thing to do. Muslims generally only turn to the Qu’ran for their truth, and that book is, for lack of a better word, lacking when it comes to Christ. They talk about him a lot, but they completely miss the point of his coming and his ministry.

Also, why are you trying to disprove that? Even Catholics believe that. He was 100% man.

He was also 100% God. That’s what the Muslims don’t understand.

In order to debate it with them, you first have to get them to accept sources outside of the ramblings of their beloved “prophet.” that’s probably the hardest part. Once they’re willing to do that, you can turn to the Bible and point out all the places where Christ said that he is the son of the father, as well as his miracles, Resurrection, etc. Not even their beloved prophet came back form the dead, his corpse just sits there rotting away.

 

[FireFromHeaven]

Well, the first thing you do is abandon rationality, because it won’t have any affect on them anyways.

Anyways, to be more polite, it’s going to be a very difficult thing to do. Muslims generally only turn to the Qu’ran for their truth, and that book is, for lack of a better word, lacking when it comes to Christ. They talk about him a lot, but they completely miss the point of his coming and his ministry.

Also, why are you trying to disprove that? Even Catholics believe that. He was 100% man.

He was also 100% God. That’s what the Muslims don’t understand.

In order to debate it with them, you first have to get them to accept sources outside of the ramblings of their beloved “prophet.” that’s probably the hardest part. Once they’re willing to do that, you can turn to the Bible and point out all the places where Christ said that he is the son of the father, as well as his miracles, Resurrection, etc. Not even their beloved prophet came back form the dead, his corpse just sits there rotting away.

Is there a better way than going around in circles till they let you quote the bible?

 

[steido01]

Paul Meier wrote a trilogy “A Skeleton in God’s Closet.” The third one, “The Constantine Codex,” culminates in a several-chapter debate between a Christian and a Muslim. It all total fiction, but it accurately reflects how a respectful disagreement with a Muslim can take place.

Just thought I’d share a “fun” option.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

Is there a better way than going around in circles till they let you quote the bible?

I’ve never actually debated a Muslim, so I’m not really sure. I’m sure there is, but this is the only method I can think of, since the Qu’ran vehemently rejects the fact that Christ was God.

 

[FireFromHeaven]

Paul Meier wrote a trilogy “A Skeleton in God’s Closet.” The third one, “The Constantine Codex,” culminates in a several-chapter debate between a Christian and a Muslim. It all total fiction, but it accurately reflects how a respectful disagreement with a Muslim can take place.

Just thought I’d share a “fun” option.

Was the series any good? What was it about?

 

[FireFromHeaven]

I’ve never actually debated a Muslim, so I’m not really sure. I’m sure there is, but this is the only method I can think of, since the Qu’ran vehemently rejects the fact that Christ was God.

Do you know anywhere I could find a way of shortening the circles and getting to the bible sooner.

 

[steido01]

Was the series any good? What was it about?

The books were quite good, actually! I’m always a bit skeptical of “Christian” books, both because they’re usually written by members of this-or-that community church who “earned an online theology degree,” and because the literary quality is typically lacking. But this series didn’t suffer from those issues so much. The author is a professor at WMU (I think?) and his expertise in early Christian history shines. I found myself reading more of my Bible because I wanted to know more about the factoids he would include. I found the second to be the most enjoyable, and the third most useful (if that makes any sense for a fictional book). I recommend them.

The books are A Skeleton in God’s Closet, More than a Skeleton, and The Constantine Codex.

 

[KathleenGee]

There is a Muslim site that wants to reclaim reason. They have a few Muslim hot heads come on contesting them. They are open to Catholics providing comments. It is called, www.newageislam.com.

Instead, you see Muslims of reason debate those who are not of that persuasion. The church’s problem is the lack of dialogue with Islam, attempting it for over a thousand years.

 

[JM3]

Do you know anywhere I could find a way of shortening the circles and getting to the bible sooner.

Christianity is not a book religion. Using the Bible would have no effect on a muslim. Tell them to ask any jewish rabbi what blasphemy condemned Jesus to death.

 

[jbeck43]

Google William lane Craig. He has had several debates with Muslims on this very subject. I recall one where be debated a Muslim by the name of shabir alli. Very enlightening and I think it will help. If I can find a link to them, I’ll post them here. God bless.

 

[steido01]

Do you know anywhere I could find a way of shortening the circles and getting to the bible sooner.

Muslims do acknowledge the Bible to be God’s divinely-inspired word - you can use this fact to your advantage (we Christians have no more wonderful weapon than the Word!).

First, use their own Qu’ran to show that “People of the Book” are God-fearing, and that the Bible is divinely-inspired*. They should affirm this.

Then, look for places where the Qu’ran is in disagreement with the Bible*. Ask them to explain how we are to discern God’s true teaching when we find disagreement between the Bible and the Qu’ran? (This is not an issue that Christians have, as the Bible does not contradict itself.)

They should respond with something to the effect of, “Well, the Qu’ran supersedes the Bible; newer revelation trumps older.” Ask them to explain this doctrine. Why would a perfect God would require an addition to an already perfect cannon? Wouldn’t God, in His perfection, have done it right the first time? Etc…

They will then be forced to concede that either 1)they do not actually believe the Biblical cannon to be divine revelation (and thereby deny the divine aspect of scriptural revelation, including that of their own Qu’ran) or 2)deny the perfection of God. The resulting discussion may allow you to bring up Rev. 22:18-19, and from there on, they’re in your court.

If you are able to bring any sort of logic to the discussion, the Muslim should fold. Islamic theology cannot stand up to reason in the same way that Christianity can.

*I can take a gander through my copy of the Qu’ran when I get home, if you’d like some specific references. Otherwise, Google should help.

 

[FireFromHeaven]

Muslims do acknowledge the Bible to be God’s divinely-inspired word - you can use this fact to your advantage (we Christians have no more wonderful weapon than the Word!).

First, use their own Qu’ran to show that “People of the Book” are God-fearing, and that the Bible is divinely-inspired*. They should affirm this.

Then, look for places where the Qu’ran is in disagreement with the Bible*. Ask them to explain how we are to discern God’s true teaching when we find disagreement between the Bible and the Qu’ran? (This is not an issue that Christians have, as the Bible does not contradict itself.)

They should respond with something to the effect of, “Well, the Qu’ran supersedes the Bible; newer revelation trumps older.” Ask them to explain this doctrine. Why would a perfect God would require an addition to an already perfect cannon? Wouldn’t God, in His perfection, have done it right the first time? Etc…

They will then be forced to concede that either 1)they do not actually believe the Biblical cannon to be divine revelation (and thereby deny the divine aspect of scriptural revelation, including that of their own Qu’ran) or 2)deny the perfection of God. The resulting discussion may allow you to bring up Rev. 22:18-19, and from there on, they’re in your court.

If you are able to bring any sort of logic to the discussion, the Muslim should fold. Islamic theology cannot stand up to reason in the same way that Christianity can.

*I can take a gander through my copy of the Qu’ran when I get home, if you’d like some specific references. Otherwise, Google should help.

Next time this comes up I will use it.

 

[ejp123]

How does one disprove the muslim view that Jesus is a man? For that matter how does one go about preparing for debates with muslims? Anyone with personal experience or a link to a good debate? God bless.

As another commenter pointed out, we do believe he is all man. Muslims don’t believe he is God. Refer to the Gospel of John and take note of how many times Jesus referred to himself by saying “I AM”. This is clearly stating that he knows that he is God. Hope this helps.

 

[CyndiTo411]

Quote from their Qu’ran, I found this a site called bible probe

Surah 29:46 Muslims are*told by Allah,*not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;

If our God the same God and they believe in the revelations given us by God then the argument is settled our revelation states Christ was the son of God. The Qu’ran is full of contradictions so i’m sure you will get a reply from something else in it as well. Christianity predates Islam and Christ foretold there would be false prophets and we would know they were false because would not recognize Christ for what he truly was, THE SON OF GOD.

 

[FireFromHeaven]

When they claim the bible was corrupted how do we argue against them.

 

[CyndiTo411]

When they claim the bible was corrupted how do we argue against them.

Also from bible probe

The Christian Bible predates Muhammad and Islam by more than 575 years. The Jewish Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by 1,000 - 3,000 years.* Muhammad said for Muslims to read the Bible for “Guidance and Light.” For Islam to say they are corrupted, then is to call Muhammad a liar for recommending it.The same Bible Muhammad would have seen (if he ever did) is in both (1) The Vatican (Codex Vaticanus) and (2) British Museum (Codex Sinaticus). It is all there, including Jesus dying on the cross as atonement for our sins. And, His resurrection, and ascension into heaven - in front of many witnesses.* The New Testament is preserved in almost perfect condition in these two Greek texts which both predate Muhammad and Islam by over 200 years.

No need to argue with Muslims but still try and make healthy conversation they hold the most respect for Muhammad so try not to insult him like some people do that will get you nowhere.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

This has been an excellent topic, thank you for starting it; I’ve learned quite a bit!

 

[JerryZ]

Recently saw a youtube video of Dr Scott Hahn where he recognized the utter difficulty in trying to debate a Muslim.
As others have posted unless the Holy Spirit moves the person to accept the truth there is no way to sway them from their false teachings.
Lots of prayer I guess is the answer to this dilemma.

 

[jakasaki]

Fire ~

I remember way back, right here on CAF, they had a book on answering Islam.

They’re still selling it on here: Here’s the link

shop.catholic.com/books-1/apologetics/answering-islam.html