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DylanO
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I’ve come across some Jewish objections to Jesus as the Messiah, so I was wondering if anyone could refute the arguments. Here are two links with these claims: ohr.edu/ask/ask00j.htm and http://jdstone.org/cr/files/whyyoushouldnotbelieveinjesus.html
Here is a quote from a forum that someone posted:
Thanks.
Here is a quote from a forum that someone posted:
This qualification of the Messiah was not met in Jesus for 3 main reasons:
The very idea that Jesus was a “Blue Blooded” royal Jew and only a Blue Blood, like Prince Charles or something, was fit to be the king goes against everything the United States stands for. But that is an aside. The real problem is that Jesus did not meet the qualification of being from the line of David.
- Joseph was not Jesus’ father because it was a virgin birth.
- Joseph could not pass the rights of David to Jesus through adoption because of Jeconia’s curse that none of his descendants could sit on the throne. (see below for cites.)
- Mary has 3 strikes against her lineage
a. She also had the cursed Jeconia in her lineage.
b. Luke goes back to Joseph’s lineage, not Mary
c. Mary does not descend through Solomon, as the Messiah must (see below for cites)
The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David. In response, it is claimed that Joseph adopted Jesus, and passed on his genealogy via adoption. There are two problems with this claim:
a) There is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption. A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption;
b) Joseph could never pass on by adoption that which he doesn’t have. Because Joseph descended from Jeconiah (Matthew 1:11) he fell under the curse of that king that none of his descendants could ever sit as king upon the throne of David. (Jeremiah 22:30; 36:30)
Christians know that claiming the Davidic line through Joseph is impossible so they then resort desperately to Mary’s line who allegedly descends from David, as shown in the third chapter of Luke, but this is impossible for 4 reasons:
a) There is no evidence that Mary descends from David. The third chapter of Luke traces Joseph’s genealogy again!, not Mary’s.
b) Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn’t help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother. Cf. Numbers 1:18; ****"and they assembled all the congregation together on the (A)first of the second month Then they registered by (**(“http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers 1:18;&version=49;#cen-NASB-3623B”))ancestry in their families, by their fathers’ households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, head by head, "Ezra 2:59. “Now these are those who came up from Tel-melah, Tel-harsha, Cherub, Addan and Immer, but they were not able to give evidence of their fathers’ households and their descendants, whether they were of Israel:”
c) Even if family line could go through the mother, Mary was not from a legitimate Messianic family. According to the Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of David through his son Solomon (II Samuel 7:14; I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-109’Behold, a son will be born to you, who shall be a man of rest; and (K)I will give him rest from all his enemies on every side; for (L)his name shall be [a]Solomon, and I will give peace and quiet to Israel in his days. (M)He shall build a house for My name, and he shall be My son and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.’ So Solomon’s descendents were to sit on the throne over Israel forever. Any Mary did not come through Solomon, she came through David’s other son, Nathan.
The third chapter of Luke is irrelevant to this discussion because it describes lineage of David’s son Nathan, not Solomon. (Luke 3:31)
I would really appreciate if you could provide a refutation of these claims or direct me to someone who could.d) Luke 3:27 lists Shealtiel and Zerubbabel in his genealogy. These two also appear in Matthew 1:12 as descendants of the cursed Jeconiah. Because Mary descends from them, it would also disqualify her from being a Messianic progenitor.
In short, none of the Messiah prophecy matters because Jesus is not the Blue Blooded Royal like a Prince Charles that he had to be in order to be the Messiah.
Thanks.