Refuting Mike Gendron's tract "Are You Being Deceived?"

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Ah, the Bereans! They poured over the Old Testament scriptures and learned that Jesus of Nazareth was the long-awaited Messiah, right? Not! They had no idea who the Messiah was (even after He took flesh and taught for three years!) until Paul taught them orally. For those same three years, the Bereans searched the scriptures hoping to find eternal life, while remaining blissfully unaware that Christ walked the earth.

Yes, Mike, deception is surely involved. But, it’s not in the catechism, it’s in your mirror.
 
Ah, the Bereans! They poured over the Old Testament scriptures and learned that Jesus of Nazareth was the long-awaited Messiah, right? Not! They had no idea who the Messiah was (even after He took flesh and taught for three years!) until Paul taught them orally. For those same three years, the Bereans searched the scriptures hoping to find eternal life, while remaining blissfully unaware that Christ walked the earth.

Yes, Mike, deception is surely involved. But, it’s not in the catechism, it’s in your mirror.
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In conclusion, Gendron offers the following as a chart showing alleged contradictions between Catholic teaching and what he says “God teaches”. The chart won’t reproduce here so I have broken it down so I can address it in its particulars.
God Teaches Salvation is only through Christ (Acts 4:12).
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The pope Teaches** Salvation is through the Roman Catholic Church and its sacraments (846, 1129).
First notice the way he seems to intentionally disrespect the Pope by failing to follow proper English standards and capitalizing His Holiness’ title. If I wanted to be equally petty, I suppose I could just decapitalize his last name and call him “gendron”, but I’m not like that.

Catholics have absolutely no problem at all with what Acts 4:12 says. “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Now Look at his Catechism citations:
**846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.


1129 **The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. “Sacramental grace” is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. The Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Savior.

Now…do these citations contradict the verse from the Word of God that Mike Gendron cited? Why no…they do not. In fact, nowhere in authentic Catholic teaching will you anywhere find any assertion that salvation is by any means other than Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We never did, do not now, and never will.

Moreover, consider this, if Our Lord didn’t want the church to serve the purpose it does, then why did He specifically found it as he did in [bibledrb]Matthew 16:18-19[/bibledrb]
God Teaches You are saved by faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9).
The pope Teaches You are saved by faith plus works (1815,1821,2010,2027).
We’ve all seen the Ephesian passage so often we can quote it from memory, right? I know I can. However, notice what is missing here. see any reference to [bibledrb]Matthew 25:31-46[/bibledrb]
God Teaches All who rely on observing the law–commandments–for salvation are under a curse (Galatians 3:10).
The pope Teaches Obedience to the commandments is necessary for salvation (2068).
Really Mike? Better go back and read your New Testament again because you seems to have totally missed the following passages, which **your **statement totally contradicts.
[bibledrb]John 14:15[/bibledrb]
[bibledrb]John 14:23[/bibledrb]
[bibledrb]John 15:10[/bibledrb]

(Cont’d)
 
[BIBLEDRB]Acts 9:4[/BIBLEDRB]

Is Saul persecuting Christ? No, he’s persecuting the Chuch. So Christ calls the Church “me”. So saying salvation is through the Church and saying salvation is only through Christ is the same thing and doesn’t exclude eachother at all.
 
Ah, the Bereans! They poured over the Old Testament scriptures and learned that Jesus of Nazareth was the long-awaited Messiah, right? Not! They had no idea who the Messiah was (even after He took flesh and taught for three years!) until Paul taught them orally. For those same three years, the Bereans searched the scriptures hoping to find eternal life, while remaining blissfully unaware that Christ walked the earth.

Yes, Mike, deception is surely involved. But, it’s not in the catechism, it’s in your mirror.
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Peace
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God Teaches Salvation occurs at the moment you repent and believe the gospel (Acts 20:21,Ephesians 1:13).
The pope Teaches Salvation is a process from baptism through purgatory (161, 162, 1254, 1255).
First, look at what his verse citations actually say.
[bibledrb]Acts 20:21[/bibledrb]
Now, does that in any way even infer what he says it does? No.
[bibledrb]Ephesians 1:13[/bibledrb]

Does this one? Not at all. Neither verse speaks of immediate salvation. In fact,

However, the New Testament does say…
[bibledrb]Philippians 2:12[/bibledrb]
So then, how can one work out their salvation with fear and trembling if it takes place in an instant as Gendron has just stated?

St. Paul also tells us…
[bibledrb]1 Corinthians 9:27[/bibledrb]

Not only does it not speak of instant salvation, but teaches that salvation can be lost by becoming that “castaway/” Paul refers to. So then…is Mike Gendron scripturally correct in what he has taught here?

But what about the Catechism references? Do they contradict the Word of God? Let’s take a look.

**161 **Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation. “Since “without faith it is impossible to please [God]” and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life ‘But he who endures to the end.’”
Perseverance in faith
162
Faith is an entirely free gift that God makes to man. We can lose this priceless gift, as St. Paul indicated to St. Timothy: "Wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting conscience, certain persons have made shipwreck of their faith."44 To live, grow and persevere in the faith until the end we must nourish it with the word of God; we must beg the Lord to increase our faith;45 it must be “working through charity,” abounding in hope, and rooted in the faith of the Church.46

1254 For all the baptized, children or adults, faith must grow *after *Baptism. For this reason the Church celebrates each year at the Easter Vigil the renewal of baptismal promises. Preparation for Baptism leads only to the threshold of new life. Baptism is the source of that new life in Christ from which the entire Christian life springs forth.
1255 For the grace of Baptism to unfold, the parents’ help is important. So too is the role of the *godfather *and godmother, who must be firm believers, able and ready to help the newly baptized - child or adult on the road of Christian life.55 Their task is a truly ecclesial function (officium).56 The whole ecclesial community bears some responsibility for the development and safeguarding of the grace given at Baptism.

Well? In fact, do these not clearly teach the very same things that the New Testament tells us in passages like
[bibledrb]Matthew 28:19-20[/bibledrb]
God Teaches Only Jesus purifies sin (Hebrews 1:3,Colossians 1:22).
The pope Teaches Purgatory purifies sin (1030,1031).
We Catholics have absolutely no problem at all with what both those verses say. In fact we will say “amen” and Alleluia" to them both because we believe every word written in the Bible.

However, in checking these passages for context I discovered that a serious problem for Mike Gendron. Look at the very next verse that he doesn’t bother to cite and which blows his whole instant salvation concept right out the proverbial window!
23] provided that you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which has been preached to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
Purgatory is actually pretty easy to explain. See Biblical and Jewish Traditional Beliefs About Purgatory
God Teaches You can know that you have eternal life (John 10:27-30, 1 John 5:13).
The pope Teaches You sin if you presume to be saved without merit (2090-2092).
I think the scripture passages that I have already cited already deal with the fact that we know we can be saved, but that Gendron misrepresents both authentic Catholic teaching as well as the Word of God in the things he has said so far.

Let’s look at the Catechism citations anyway though because I think we’ll see a very specious misrepresentation of what they say.
  • Hope
    2090
    When God reveals Himself and calls him, man cannot fully respond to the divine love by his own powers. He must hope that God will give him the capacity to love Him in return and to act in conformity with the commandments of charity. Hope is the confident expectation of divine blessing and the beatific vision of God; it is also the fear of offending God’s love and of incurring punishment.
    2091 The first commandment is also concerned with sins against hope, namely, despair and presumption:
    By despair, man ceases to hope for his personal salvation from God, for help in attaining it or for the forgiveness of his sins. Despair is contrary to God’s goodness, to his justice - for the Lord is faithful to his promises - and to his mercy.
    2092 There are two kinds of presumption. Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high), or he presumes upon God’s almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit).
God Teaches The sacrifice of Jesus is finished (John 19:30).
The pope Teaches The sacrifice of Jesus continues in daily Mass (611, 1405).
Here he attempts to attack the re-presentation of the sacrifice of Christ in the Mass. We know that this is what the Church teaches and those who know the scriptural teachings on the Eucharist, know full well that we all say "amen’ to the verse in John 19:30 that Gendron cites, but let’s look at his Catechism citations anyway to see what’s going on. (See also my article The Eucharist IS Scriptural)
**611 **The Eucharist that Christ institutes at that moment will be the memorial of his sacrifice. Jesus includes the apostles in his own offering and bids them perpetuate it. By doing so, the Lord institutes his apostles as priests of the New Covenant: “For their sakes I sanctify myself, so that they also may be sanctified in truth.”

**1405 **There is no surer pledge or dearer sign of this great hope in the new heavens and new earth “in which righteousness dwells,” than the Eucharist. Every time this mystery is celebrated, “the work of our redemption is carried on” and we “break the one bread that provides the medicine of immortality, the antidote for death, and the food that makes us live for ever in Jesus Christ.”

No conflict with scripture there, but I guess Gendron feels that if he throws a bunch of numbers at people, they won’t check it like I have done and as a result they’ll buy into his propaganda. Notice how he concludes.
 
As you can see, these teachings directly oppose each other. One is truth that will set you free. One is deception that will hold you in bondage.
Yeah, Mike, you’re absolutely right.
Which teachings will you choose? Choose carefully. In this life you can be wrong about a lot of things and still survive. But when this life is over, if you were wrong about God’s only provision for your sins, you will perish in the lake of fire for all eternity.
Well Mr. Gendron, I urge you to take this part of your message to heart and reconsider for the sake of your eternal soul since it has been shown that you not only wrongly oppose and misrepresent Catholic teachings, but actually contradict specific passages of the Word of God in your messages.

As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, take note of James 3:1, which says. ***Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness. ***
 
I talked to mike gendron once. He is one of the reasons I became catholic.
All anyone would have to do is take 10 minutes and any of his arguments could be refuted

I am convinced so many fundementalist that believe in once saved always saved are really
Angry at the catholic church because it Sheds a light to how much sin is in there life
 
I wonder if this guy will take the time to attack Islam.

Naah.

And I have seen this time after time after time after time again —> Non-Catholics confuse their interpretation of scripture with the scripture they are interpreting. They confuse their tradition with scripture!

Example:
Non Catholic: Matthew 1:25 says that Mary had other children with Joseph.
me: Where does it say that?
NC: He knew her not until…
me: It mentions something that happened up until a point in time. It does not say anything afterwards.
NC: But it obviously said it changed afterwards! It said “until!!!”
me: Is there a Matthew 1:26? No. It doesn’t say anything about afterwards. If you’re trying to say that Mary had other children with Joseph, you can’t use that verse. You’d have to try using other verses. But Matthew 1:25 clearly does not support your claim.

In such a case, his tradition overruled the plain text of scripture.
 
I wonder if this guy will take the time to attack Islam.

Naah.
And we must be eternally thankful. No one would be able to take Christianity seriously again after encountering Gendron’s “apologetics” toward Muslims. (I put the term in quotation marks because they would consist of caricature, sloganeering, and propaganda, just like his attacks on Catholicism.)
And I have seen this time after time after time after time again —> Non-Catholics confuse their interpretation of scripture with the scripture they are interpreting. They confuse their tradition with scripture!
It’s very frustrating. Solo scriptura is the most destructive theological error to come out of Western Christendom in the second millennium.
 
Your meaning is opaque. Please clarify. 🙂
Wondering if a Catholic apologist has set Mr. Gendron straight in a public forum. Well did Servant of God Fulton J. Sheen state that “millions hate what they believe the Catholic Church to be…”
 
And we must be eternally thankful. No one would be able to take Christianity seriously again after encountering Gendron’s “apologetics” toward Muslims. (I put the term in quotation marks because they would consist of caricature, sloganeering, and propaganda, just like his attacks on Catholicism.)
I also know that many of these non-Catholic preachers make a lot of money, and they’re not likely to give that up to get their throat slit by Muslims 🙂
It’s very frustrating. Solo scriptura is the most destructive theological error to come out of Western Christendom in the second millennium.
I like to call it “Sola Mirrora” - because everyone who looks in the mirror sees something different, and it reflects on them 🙂
 
I also know that many of these non-Catholic preachers make a lot of money, and they’re not likely to give that up to get their throat slit by Muslims 🙂
Very true.
I like to call it “Sola Mirrora” - because everyone who looks in the mirror sees something different, and it reflects on them 🙂
Haha. 👍
 
Wondering if a Catholic apologist has set Mr. Gendron straight in a public forum. Well did Servant of God Fulton J. Sheen state that “millions hate what they believe the Catholic Church to be…”
“Few people in America hate the Catholic religion,
but there are many who hate
what they mistakenly believe is the Catholic religion
—and if what they hate really were the Catholic religion,
Catholics would hate it too.”

You mean guys like John Martignoni? 👍
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What I wonder is if someone debated him in real time. I see the Gendron/Staples interchange on his site, but it appears as a transcript.

Gendron does not declare it, but through his words and actions, apparently believes that he is saved secondarily by the god of “proper hermeneutics” - which, of course, means his ego. As with nearly all separatists, Gendron rails only against the “Roman Catholic” Church, while completely ignoring the Eastern Catholic and the various Orthodox Churches, whose beliefs and doctrines are essentially identical. Call it an obsession, if you will.

Since he does not raise such strident objection to faith communities and Churches which are substantially similar to Latin rite Catholicism, I would opine that he is not motivated by the intellectual realm, but rather, the spiritual. Gendron dismisses the “Roman” belief in what he cynically calls “miraculous” transubstantiation, while conveniently ignoring the similar/parallel Anglican (protestant), Lutheran (protestant) and various Eastern Churches’ beliefs.

I note here that exorcists often hear similar language directed at our Lord in each of his forms, when performing their work. I believe that Gendron’s intellectual inconsistency and tightly-focused hatred of the Catholic Church appears to have its genesis in the spiritual realm. For my part, I have zero doubt that Gendron is allowing himself to be lead by a spirit of this world - a spirit which opposes all truth. He is both slavishly following and allowing himself to be blinded to the truth by this spirit (all the while making a very comfortable income).

I am reminded of our Lord’s words “I assure you, they have received their reward”
 
I have a question.

Why is it Mike’s purpose in life to tear down the Catholic Church, than to build the Kingdom of God?

It’s just all sad.
 
Since he does not raise such strident objection to faith communities and Churches which are substantially similar to Latin rite Catholicism, I would opine that he is not motivated by the intellectual realm, but rather, the spiritual. Gendron dismisses the “Roman” belief in what he cynically calls “miraculous” transubstantiation, while conveniently ignoring the similar/parallel Anglican (protestant), Lutheran (protestant) and various Eastern Churches’ beliefs.
Interesting observation.
I note here that exorcists often hear similar language directed at our Lord in each of his forms, when performing their work.
Do you have any particular examples in mind?
I believe that Gendron’s intellectual inconsistency and tightly-focused hatred of the Catholic Church appears to have its genesis in the spiritual realm. For my part, I have zero doubt that Gendron is allowing himself to be lead by a spirit of this world - a spirit which opposes all truth. He is both slavishly following and allowing himself to be blinded to the truth by this spirit (all the while making a very comfortable income).
It seems possible… but what would you say about someone like James White (who targets not only Catholics but also Mormons, King James Version-Only Evangelicals, and others)?
 
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